Possible steps to counter the rising threat from IAF ?

[AMMAR Niaz Dawood]

Pakistan air force needs quality...though it is out numberd by the iaf, but iaf would not deploy all the jets against pakistan...as then other regions would be left vulneravle so if paf has some good jets in there , it can take care of 4-5 squardrens of iaf.
But for that paf needs some damn good planes which i have to say that they dont have...so increasing the quality of planes along indian borded can be the key for pak...

Although you are an INDIAN !!!! I am pretty much convinced with your idea , tell me whos team are u in ??

PAF should increase its F 16 s upto 100 at least .... with 150 jf 17s it will make a good combination ..

I agree with ya brother

 

[WishLivePak]

Not to mention, PAF can be donated a few old jets by other muslim countries, as was in the case when Jordan tried to give some. No one gives quality, they help in quantity. So Pak has to build quality.

But first, it needs economy. When you've 1tr or 2tr economy, the 2% gdp is like 20-40 billion. And Pak needs to work on getting technology meanwhile. Making jets at home is far cheaper. Helps kick your economy and potential to sell to other markets. A good quality jet costs 100-300m, easily the amount of a commercial airliner, which can help PIA tremendously.

A side question, is Pak army the best in muslim world? Speaking of air, land and naval? As often, i read in history, Pak army was brought in to help or guide.

 

[rockstar08]

Guys after been reading the posts in thread "JF-17 Thunder Multirole fighter [ thread 6 ] " i think its important for us to discuss the weakness of our Airforce ... and also the possible solution with proper facts and figure , based on reality .. not on assumption .
Our Navy and Air force , are far behind their possible enemy , and there is no upcoming plans to deter any possible threat ...

IAF already has some 200+ Mki which is itself a air superiority fighter , along with mirage 2ks and Jaguars .. the challenge for PAF is much bigger than they think. ..

PAF has some 73 F-16's , 50 Jfs and 150+ F-7's and 60+ mirage III-IV ROSE //but are they enough to secure our Air space from the rising threat from our neighbors ?

As some of the members here show concern about a possible full scale war , where our Air force is standing ??
here one thing we have to keep in mind that we dont even have a potent Air defense network , or SAM's , the only potent SAM we are operating is SPADA-2000 but is that enough ??

what i believe that our CM's are able to hit forward and deep bases across the border but are they enough ?? does the creation of N-weapons means that now we should not focus on any conventional systems ??

Obviously its not easy to launch a Nuclear strike on a country , we are not USA and dont have ability to sustain the possible outcome of a Nuclear war ....

so today or even in future the war will remain Conventional , where our Air force lacks some technology gaps and also heavily outnumbered from their enemy ..

what i want to discuss that what can PAF do to deter this threat , should we go for stop gaps , invest in long term projects , or short term ?? buy med and long range SAM's or buying some Used 4+ and 4++ fighters .. ?!

keep the budget of PAF in mind please before anyone suggest something .. so as i mentioned the solution should not be unrealistic ..

This thread is not a Vs thread for trolls , nor i am assuming any War scenario right now .. ...
so any attempt to troll will result in report and banned from the thread ..

@Horus @MastanKhan @orangzaib @araz @Munir @Oscar @Basel @Donatello @Bratva @SBD-3 @The SC @HRK @syedali73

 

[$@rJen]

Guys after been reading the posts in thread "JF-17 Thunder Multirole fighter [ thread 6 ] " i think its important for us to discuss the weakness of our Airforce ... and also the possible solution with proper facts and figure , based on reality .. not on assumption .
Our Navy and Air force , are far behind their possible enemy , and there is no upcoming plans to deter any possible threat ...

IAF already has some 200+ Mki which is itself a air superiority fighter , along with mirage 2ks and Jaguars .. the challenge for PAF is much bigger than they think. ..

PAF has some 73 F-16's , 50 Jfs and 150+ F-7's and 60+ mirage III-IV ROSE //but are they enough to secure our Air space from the rising threat from our neighbors ?

As some of the members here show concern about a possible full scale war , where our Air force is standing ??
here one thing we have to keep in mind that we dont even have a potent Air defense network , or SAM's , the only potent SAM we are operating is SPADA-2000 but is that enough ??

what i believe that our CM's are able to hit forward and deep bases across the border but are they enough ?? does the creation of N-weapons means that now we should not focus on any conventional systems ??
Obviously its not easy to launch a Nuclear strike on a country , we are not USA and dont have ability to sustain the possible outcome of a Nuclear war ....

so today or even in future the war will remain Conventional , where our Air force lacks some technology gaps and also heavily outnumbered from their enemy ..

what i want to discuss that what can PAF do to deter this threat , should we go for stop gaps , invest in long term projects , or short term ?? buy med and long range SAM's or buying some Used 4+ and 4++ fighters .. ?!
keep the budget of PAF in mind please before anyone suggest something .. so as i mentioned the solution should not be unrealistic ..

This thread is not a Vs thread for trolls , nor i am assuming any War scenario right now .. ...
so any attempt to troll will result in report and banned from the thread ..

@Horus @MastanKhan @orangzaib @araz @Munir @Oscar @Basel @Donatello @Bratva @SBD-3 @The SC @HRK @syedali73

What is the CM you're talking about deep striking IAF bases??? conventional or Nuclear tipped??

And you missed the Rafale

 

[rockstar08]

What is the CM you're talking about deep striking IAF bases??? conventional or Nuclear tipped??

And you missed the Rafale

Conventional ... and Rafale is not present for now .. so lets keep them out of it for now ..

 

[xyxmt]

the only positive step you can take right now is to prey that your Kaptan moron gets some sense and let the economy grow and then your can buy some equipments.

 

[C130]

peace and diplomacy is your best bet.
the gap militarily and economically will only widen in the years to come.

 

[Dazzler]

last i heard the IAF sqdrn strength was depleting even below the all time low of 34, i guess they should be worried hiw to counter a qualitative AWACS and AAR equipped PAF, nothing could be more worse then the 90s, a decade that taught hard lessons and the art of countering the enemy against heavy odds.

 

[narcon]

Pakistan has a habit of issuing a nuclear threat!
If that is right, why this thread?

If it is a subterfuge, keep on keeping folks...

 

[Basel]

IAF already has some 200+ Mki which is itself a air superiority fighter , along with mirage 2ks and Jaguars .. the challenge for PAF is much bigger than they think. ..

You missed the pillar of IAF CAP and interception duties and that is Mig-29 they are massively upgraded and they are only Pakistan centric, once an PAF officer told me that Mig-29s will be the first to see combat and their pilots are vigorously trained therefore PAF give them more importance then M2Ks, because M2Ks will need escort of MKIs to strike as they are not good in WVR but Mig-29 is very good at it with BVR capabilities. PAF don't take its foes lightly and they analyze there strength wisely and develop strategies to counter it.

Since 80s in case of war with India, IAF's strike package of low flying Mig-27s escorted by Mig-29s was always a big concern for PAF, although now combination has changed but it has become more potent.

 

[Neemo neemo]

From Pakistan's pov, i would say that you guys should learn from History.

In WW2, Hitler and allies focused on quality. They made finest weapons.
Where US and allies focused hard on quantity. That was deciding factor in the end. The better the quality is, the more complex it is and more the risk of failing is there in the battlefield.
In case of fighters, i would say if PAF has 4 gen fighters, and India has 4.5 gen fighters, or if they have same generation fighters or whatever, even if there is a difference is there of 1 generation, i would suggest PAF should go for quantity.

 

[Lil Mathew]

last i heard the IAF sqdrn strength was depleting even below the all time low of 34, i guess they should be worried hiw to counter a qualitative AWACS and AAR equipped PAF, nothing could be more worse then the 90s, a decade that taught hard lessons and the art of countering the enemy against heavy odds.

According to the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Defence (15th Lok Sabha), the present number of combat squadron has dwindled to 34 against the sanction strength of 42. Moreover, the number is likely to reduce further to 31 during the 12th Plan (2012-2017).
But IAF has a clear and correct plan.., That is the IAF has made a two-prong approach: upgrading existing fighters (MiG-29, Jaguar and Mirage 2000) while inducting new ones. The aim of the IAF is to increase its combat squadron strength to 40-42 by the end of 14th Plan (2022-27) and eventually to 45 squadrons by the 15th Plan (2027-2032)..
Mig29, mirage 2000, jaguar upgrades+ more su30mki+ Dassault Rafale+ LCA mk2+Sukhoi HAL PMF+ HAL AMCA etc..
IAF plans are clear..
The question is how PAF counter it??
Now only 50 JF17 block2 is before us..
Same applicable to other assets also..
Also how can we compare 50 million dollar/aircraft mirage 2k upgrade with 6million/aircraft f16mlu upgrade??

 

[Gandhara]

pakistan should better loan some chinese copies of s-300/400s fighters are too expensive to operate. a air defense battery can protect your air space better.

 

[trident2010]

Conventional ... and Rafale is not present for now .. so lets keep them out of it for now ..

You also missed out on 60+ Mig-29 UPG of IAF which is equal if not better match for F-16 blk 52.

 

[NKVD]

You also missed out on 60+ Mig-29 UPG of IAF which is equal if not better match for F-16 blk 52.

They have only limited number block 52+ even bison and Upg combo is enough for taking them down remember bison became a headache for Americans in Cope india.