PM, Army Chief will visit Saudi Arabia to witness 'Thunder of the North' military exercises

[The Eagle]

They don't need our security and we should also focus at home first, they just need our support to fight against monster like ISIS. It will be better if we create NATO like force which help any allied country in case of war.

Actually this is what intended in the name of coalition like a joint force thing, which will help all the members though Pakistan's experience in WOT will always has upper hand and will be point of interest for other members as well. While sharing the tactics and providing such kind of training and services will help us more or at least would be far better than fighting others war without or less benefits. After all, we are Islamic brothers as well so both relations, Coalition and Muslim world, will come handy in any situation as well. They do not need our security but the experience, tactics and training services at most by way of joint exercises or presence of our selective troops there for same purpose.

Pakistan is rightly aligned in this path like we are not going against any nation or state though it is all about anti-terrorism stance which is the subject for almost every country now a days and the same is expressed time to time by us and others as well. We have good relations with Iran and Iran knows we have nothing to do with anti-Iran thing nor we participate in such games. We are having a good relations despite all troubles in past with Russia and the same are acknowledged by Russia side as well so Pakistan stance in such coalition will not affect the balance of relations at all. Arab world has expressed her concerns regarding the growing proxies many times and Pakistan participation in such coalition is purely based upon our experience in WOT. US & West have already praised Pakistan's actions and efforts in WOT so while looking at the picture, Pakistan is not going against any nation or state at all. Everyone is concerned about terrorism in these times and indeed all are promised to eliminate the threat of proxies though the proxy lovers would oppose Pakistan's stand in this situation which is worthless and doesn't carry the weight.

 

[Zarvan]

Zarvan bahi, i am never in favour to fight someone else fight but this time it is more about benefits against the same job that we have been doing for free since long and time has come to en-cash indeed. We are not going to send our troops like tomorrow but it will start with providing support for training, sharing experience, a handsome number of troops designated on standby position in case of any emergency and in the mean time building process will start and will result in strong Military as well. The observations of few on account of stretching military legs, are rightly done but to understand this all, need to be farsighted and we are not going to stretch the legs of already busy military but it is the start of process that will result in beneficial fruits yet depends how we plan and participate. Being N Power, we know our responsibilities and possible adversaries as well though such participation will provide a strong platform for our growth and stronger defence as well.

If war enters Saudi Arabia that it would become fight of every Muslim. We can't wait until the war reaches Holy Cities. So sooner or later we would have to place at least 100000 Army and 100 Fighter and a good strong Navy in KSA and middle east. @MaarKhoor @MastanKhan

 

[Pakistani E]

Lol @Zarvan and the likes getting happy about this exercise etc. This is nothing but for show, Pakistani Military leadership is not stupid to involve itself in any sectarian war in the middle east between the Saudis and Iran. Yes, we'll protect the Saudis if anyone invades, but the danger to the Saudis is not external but the radical population within. Iran or Syria are not stupid to invade the Saudis.

So take it easy @Zarvan with your illogical statements of sending 100,000 thousands troops to the Middle east. No one is threatening Mecca or Medina.

 

[Zarvan]

Lol @Zarvan and the likes getting happy about this exercise etc. This is nothing but for show, Pakistani Military leadership is not stupid to involve itself in any sectarian war in the middle east between the Saudis and Iran. Yes, we'll protect the Saudis if anyone invades, but the danger to the Saudis is not external but the radical population within. Iran or Syria are not stupid to invade the Saudis.

So take it easy @Zarvan with your illogical statements of sending 100,000 thousands troops to the Middle east. No one is threatening Mecca or Medina.

Really we are already part of it from day one it's you who are to innocent to fall for statements which are given for public consumption so please when you don't know reality than better to remain quite

 

[The Eagle]

If war enters Saudi Arabia that it would become fight of every Muslim. We can't wait until the war reaches Holy Cities. So sooner or later we would have to place at least 100000 Army and 100 Fighter and a good strong Navy in KSA and middle east. @MaarKhoor @MastanKhan

Well in case of our Holy Places, we will defend without any doubt. Rest about saving the kingdom is not feasible at all though Pakistan participation would be as an Islamic N Power, having experience by WOT and indeed will be benefited in return. For the time being, this coalition is not to save a country or King but it is against proxies and no one differs from it. Pakistan stance in this coalition is clear since day first which is against proxies and terrorism, along with other participating nations.

 

[Azadkashmir]

so we have to protect saudis a ss, why cant we, just let them get over thrown by thier own population.
This is becomin a joke on pakistan. Saudis who dont respect pakistani were we be slaves , getting our head chopped becuse we got blackmailed to carry drugs and got caught cos of some greedy beduin.
where all gulf arabs just take the pi ss out of the pakistani m ilitary by not buying our products. jf17 anyone ?.
The same beduins who funded terrism in pak and destroyed our infrastructure and education.
where being pakstanis means work as hard as a donkey labour in dubai until you die and see your women trafficked for thier pleasure and then when they get diseased thrown them on the road.


maybe we should just become like usa and take the oil for our selves and make it work for the rest of ummah exeception bediun arabs. yes i do have arab married in family but pak come first.

by the way they created isis behalf of usa,isreal,uk, just becuase assad dosnt have rothschild bank. look on youtube channel, what western european are saying it muslims that are causing world war 3 nuclear flashpoint. so all this so if it kicks off with russia we get the blame for nukes/ dollar collaspe and chaos that mean thier will canibalism in the west. they not farmers rely on electric and piped water and food from asda, do you get it .

 

[BRAVO_]

why we forget that our economy is heavily dependent upon foreign remittances before destroying our relations with GCC countries we have to built our economy first and with current set of politicians u can only dream to do that

this is a view of our one month overseas remittances countries voice .. now do you have a better option to meet the aftermath then plz put forward ... GCC and Pakistan they have long historical ties and they cant be ignored easily due to few posts of this forum. and one thing more ... neutral people only lives in graveyards .... alive people always chose sides

 

[Khafee]

@MastanKhan Do you think Pakistan will play it's card right this time?

 

[MastanKhan]

@MastanKhan Do you think Pakistan will play it's card right this time?

Hi,

I very much doubt it. Pakistanis are basically gamblers---they are very poor strategists for the nation until and unless it is for personal reasons.

Pakistani generals live in a world of stupidity and arrogance---. Did they ever comtemplate last year what would happen if there was a mass shooter in the U S with pakistani background or if india created another mumbai tyo attack---what would they do the?

That is why Yemen was of extreme importance---it was not a major operation----but the dividends would have been massive---.

A verbal communique with Iran to stay out of yemen---and talk to yemeis and tell them to calm down---send 50000 troops---get the money---train 150000 troops for the region with all the fanfare---get 500000 to a 1000000 jobs for pakistanis in the gulf states---ask for more influential jobs for the pakistanis in higher positions as well.

Create a center for recruitment of pakistani talent and keep and watch on them and keep them under the directive of the state.

Have the gulf states invest in some hospitals and universities in pakistan---we already talked about this----.

I think that Pakistan needs to re-start this issue one more time---it needs to face the reality---that it is being LEFT ALONE IN THE WORLD-----AN THAT IS A BAD PLACE TO BE.

Once this is recognized---then possibly some changes may take place.

 

[mingle]

@MastanKhan Do you think Pakistan will play it's card right this time?

Good question i beleive not very right but heading that way surely and clearly.But one thing i could not understand why they needed our Airforce when all GCC has state of Art planes and Pods with capable pilots .

 

[Paksanity]

Hi,

I very much doubt it. Pakistanis are basically gamblers---they are very poor strategists for the nation until and unless it is for personal reasons.

Pakistani generals live in a world of stupidity and arrogance---. Did they ever comtemplate last year what would happen if there was a mass shooter in the U S with pakistani background or if india created another mumbai tyo attack---what would they do the?

That is why Yemen was of extreme importance---it was not a major operation----but the dividends would have been massive---.

A verbal communique with Iran to stay out of yemen---and talk to yemeis and tell them to calm down---send 50000 troops---get the money---train 1500000 troops for the region with all the fanfare---get 500000 to a 1000000 jobs for pakistanis in the gulf states---ask for more influential jobs for the pakistanis in higher positions as well.

Create a center for recruitment of pakistani talent and keep and watch on them and keep them under the directive of the state.

Have the gulf states invest in some hospitals and universities in pakistan---we already talked about this----.

I think that Pakistan needs to re-start this issue one more time---it needs to face the reality---that it is being LEFT ALONE IN THE WORLD-----AN THAT IS A BAD PLACE TO BE.

Once this is recognized---then possibly some changes may take place.

With all due respect sir, I find it insulting and demeaning to my nation to join a coalition for the reasons you stated. That makes us sell swords. I also do not find much long term benefit in receiving aid in return for our military participation. You and I know who will gobble up this money. Pakistan has to put its house in order and no amount of foreign money can help here. You can not fill a bucket with a perforated bottom. You won't get any respect either if your relationship is based on greed. In a nutshell, it won't be an alliance nor we deserve to be called an ally if money is all that we seek. I support Pakistan joining the coalition but for separate reasons most important being it serves Pakistan's national interests. Here is why Pakistan should join the coalition but first let's examine what is really happening in Middle East.

Gulf states are more than capable of defending themselves against a conventional onslaught. Despite somewhat natural friction, they have put up a great combined face against threats to their nations. This is where agents of chaos have turned to their other tools namely anarchy, propaganda, and disunity veiled in liberalisation and democracy. Think of coined terms like Arab Spring and all that. They have already turned Iraq, Syria and Libya into a mess (guess where it started from? Spreading democracy and defeating a dictator!). Yemen was next in line till it was intervened. Think all the rhetoric that goes against Arab monarchies. Does chaos in Middle East suit Pakistan? Hell, no! This is the region where we get most of our diplomatic support from. Our people work and earn their living there. If chaos spreads to KSA, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain etc we will lose a lot.

Unlike the propaganda infected mates, I know Gulf states have one the best equipped and trained militaries especially UAE. But this is a different kind of war, a messy one and who knows it better than us? Key to win this war are diplomacy aimed at the source nation(s), intelligence & information (penetration of operatives into terrorist organisations) and a military seasoned in fighting Insurgency. This is where coalition comes in. GCC states are united but that is not enough. Propagandists turn it into Saudi monarchy vs Iranian revolutionaries (whatever that is) or a Shia vs Sunni. Turkey and Pakistan are critical to tip the balance here as they are seen to be neither Arabs nor monarchies. That breaks the back of Arab vs Persian narrative. They know this and have already been targetting Turkey and Pakistan as Sunni countries (what the heck is a Sunni country?!). If a nation from Pacific region like Indonesia and Malaysia joins in, circle is complete. Now it is Muslim countries standing against chaos and anarchy being propagated in their lands. Needless to say its success benefits all including Pakistan. This is precisely why Pakistan should lend its support to such efforts. Precisely to stand with order against disorder and help promote a narrative of Muslims against chaos (called terrorism these days). This takes away the fundamental support element of terrorists, the narrative! When that support is gone, we will all reap its benefits. Unfortunately our enemies have found allies amongst us who are promoting anarchy in the Middle East. They have to be stopped.

These are the reasons I support this coalition because it puts forward a combined Muslim face against this menace to which we have suffered tremendously. As far monetary benefits, they come with putting house in order. Pakistanis will make Pakistan strong and nobody else. Arabs wish to see a strong Pakistan and will gladly see us prospering. Our successes have always inspired confidence in them. Largest jubilations on our nuclear tests went off in Middle East. We have no dearth of resources either. We have world's fifth largest gold mine with 54 million tonnes of gold worth $2 trillion! Fertile lands, extensive rivers, and an intelligent hard working diaspora. If that doesn't bring us prosperity and strength, nothing else will.

Instead of standing with them for money, why not stand with them in their difficult time because they stood with us in our difficult times? Isn't that reason enough? Respect is earned sir, not demanded or bought.

@Khafee

 

[BRAVO_]

Hi,

I very much doubt it. Pakistanis are basically gamblers---they are very poor strategists for the nation until and unless it is for personal reasons.


That is why Yemen was of extreme importance---it was not a major operation----but the dividends would have been massive---.

A verbal communique with Iran to stay out of yemen---and talk to yemeis and tell them to calm down---send 50000 troops---get the money---train 1500000 troops for the region with all the fanfare---get 500000 to a 1000000 jobs for pakistanis in the gulf states---ask for more influential jobs for the pakistanis in higher positions as well.

Create a center for recruitment of pakistani talent and keep and watch on them and keep them under the directive of the state.

Have the gulf states invest in some hospitals and universities in pakistan---we already talked about this----.

I think that Pakistan needs to re-start this issue one more time---it needs to face the reality---that it is being LEFT ALONE IN THE WORLD-----AN THAT IS A BAD PLACE TO BE.

Once this is recognized---then possibly some changes may take place.

Agreed ...

 

[Khafee]

With all due respect sir, I find it insulting and demeaning to my nation to join a coalition for the reasons you stated. That makes us sell swords. I also do not find much long term benefit in receiving aid in return for our military participation. You and I know who will gobble up this money. Pakistan has to put its house in order and no amount of foreign money can help here. You can not fill a bucket with a perforated bottom. You won't get any respect either if your relationship is based on greed. In a nutshell, it won't be an alliance nor we deserve to be called an ally if money is all that we seek. I support Pakistan joining the coalition but for separate reasons most important being it serves Pakistan's national interests. Here is why Pakistan should join the coalition but first let's examine what is really happening in Middle East.

Gulf states are more than capable of defending themselves against a conventional onslaught. Despite somewhat natural friction, they have put up a great combined face against threats to their nations. This is where agents of chaos have turned to their other tools namely anarchy, propaganda, and disunity veiled in liberalisation and democracy. Think of coined terms like Arab Spring and all that. They have already turned Iraq, Syria and Libya into a mess (guess where it started from? Spreading democracy and defeating a dictator!). Yemen was next in line till it was intervened. Think all the rhetoric that goes against Arab monarchies. Does chaos in Middle East suit Pakistan? Hell, no! This is the region where we get most of our diplomatic support from. Our people work and earn their living there. If chaos spreads to KSA, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain etc we will lose a lot.

Unlike the propaganda infected mates, I know Gulf states have one the best equipped and trained militaries especially UAE. But this is a different kind of war, a messy one and who knows it better than us? Key to win this war are diplomacy aimed at the source nation(s), intelligence & information (penetration of operatives into terrorist organisations) and a military seasoned in fighting Insurgency. This is where coalition comes in. GCC states are united but that is not enough. Propagandists turn it into Saudi monarchy vs Iranian revolutionaries (whatever that is) or a Shia vs Sunni. Turkey and Pakistan are critical to tip the balance here as they are seen to be neither Arabs nor monarchies. That breaks the back of Arab vs Persian narrative. They know this and have already been targetting Turkey and Pakistan as Sunni countries (what the heck is a Sunni country?!). If a nation from Pacific region like Indonesia and Malaysia joins in, circle is complete. Now it is Muslim countries standing against chaos and anarchy being propagated in their lands. Needless to say its success benefits all including Pakistan. This is precisely why Pakistan should lend its support to such efforts. Precisely to stand with order against disorder and help promote a narrative of Muslims against chaos (called terrorism these days). This takes away the fundamental support element of terrorists, the narrative! When that support is gone, we will all reap its benefits. Unfortunately our enemies have found allies amongst us who are promoting anarchy in the Middle East. They have to be stopped.

These are the reasons I support this coalition because it puts forward a combined Muslim face against this menace to which we have suffered tremendously. As far monetary benefits, they come with putting house in order. Pakistanis will make Pakistan strong and nobody else. Arabs wish to see a strong Pakistan and will gladly see us prospering. Our successes have always inspired confidence in them. Largest jubilations on our nuclear tests went off in Middle East. We have no dearth of resources either. We have world's fifth largest gold mine with 54 million tonnes of gold worth $2 trillion! Fertile lands, extensive rivers, and an intelligent hard working diaspora. If that doesn't bring us prosperity and strength, nothing else will.

Instead of standing with them for money, why not stand with them in their difficult time because they stood with us in our difficult times? Isn't that reason enough? Respect is earned sir, not demanded or bought.

@Khafee

Very well said. Now wait for Pakistanis from Australia, Canada, UK & US to come and bash you, and call you clueless, because they still have a hangover form what they drank last night, or are too high ridding their ego.

 

[MastanKhan]

With all due respect sir, I find it insulting and demeaning to my nation to join a coalition for the reasons you stated. That makes us sell swords. I also do not find much long term benefit in receiving aid in return for our military participation. You and I know who will gobble up this money. Pakistan has to put its house in order and no amount of foreign money can help here. You can not fill a bucket with a perforated bottom. You won't get any respect either if your relationship is based on greed. In a nutshell, it won't be an alliance nor we deserve to be called an ally if money is all that we seek. I support Pakistan joining the coalition but for separate reasons most important being it serves Pakistan's national interests. Here is why Pakistan should join the coalition but first let's examine what is really happening in Middle East.

Gulf states are more than capable of defending themselves against a conventional onslaught. Despite somewhat natural friction, they have put up a great combined face against threats to their nations. This is where agents of chaos have turned to their other tools namely anarchy, propaganda, and disunity veiled in liberalisation and democracy. Think of coined terms like Arab Spring and all that. They have already turned Iraq, Syria and Libya into a mess (guess where it started from? Spreading democracy and defeating a dictator!). Yemen was next in line till it was intervened. Think all the rhetoric that goes against Arab monarchies. Does chaos in Middle East suit Pakistan? Hell, no! This is the region where we get most of our diplomatic support from. Our people work and earn their living there. If chaos spreads to KSA, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain etc we will lose a lot.

Unlike the propaganda infected mates, I know Gulf states have one the best equipped and trained militaries especially UAE. But this is a different kind of war, a messy one and who knows it better than us? Key to win this war are diplomacy aimed at the source nation(s), intelligence & information (penetration of operatives into terrorist organisations) and a military seasoned in fighting Insurgency. This is where coalition comes in. GCC states are united but that is not enough. Propagandists turn it into Saudi monarchy vs Iranian revolutionaries (whatever that is) or a Shia vs Sunni. Turkey and Pakistan are critical to tip the balance here as they are seen to be neither Arabs nor monarchies. That breaks the back of Arab vs Persian narrative. They know this and have already been targetting Turkey and Pakistan as Sunni countries (what the heck is a Sunni country?!). If a nation from Pacific region like Indonesia and Malaysia joins in, circle is complete. Now it is Muslim countries standing against chaos and anarchy being propagated in their lands. Needless to say its success benefits all including Pakistan. This is precisely why Pakistan should lend its support to such efforts. Precisely to stand with order against disorder and help promote a narrative of Muslims against chaos (called terrorism these days). This takes away the fundamental support element of terrorists, the narrative! When that support is gone, we will all reap its benefits. Unfortunately our enemies have found allies amongst us who are promoting anarchy in the Middle East. They have to be stopped.

These are the reasons I support this coalition because it puts forward a combined Muslim face against this menace to which we have suffered tremendously. As far monetary benefits, they come with putting house in order. Pakistanis will make Pakistan strong and nobody else. Arabs wish to see a strong Pakistan and will gladly see us prospering. Our successes have always inspired confidence in them. Largest jubilations on our nuclear tests went off in Middle East. We have no dearth of resources either. We have world's fifth largest gold mine with 54 million tonnes of gold worth $2 trillion! Fertile lands, extensive rivers, and an intelligent hard working diaspora. If that doesn't bring us prosperity and strength, nothing else will.

Instead of standing with them for money, why not stand with them in their difficult time because they stood with us in our difficult times? Isn't that reason enough? Respect is earned sir, not demanded or bought.

@Khafee

Sir,

You guys have learnt to talk VERY STRONG----but it is all fizzle and air. For you kids ( and adults ) it is all about me me and me---.

As a nation---you are being slowly and methodically being removed from your allies. Your allies will be taken out in out in due time and then you will be taken out as well.

Just because you have to put your nation in order---does not mean that you close yourself from other major issues---you still need to breath air even if there is a suffocating dust storm and you know the dirt will do damage to your lungs.

Why don't you say---I am not going to breath till the dust is cleared from the air!!!!!

All soldiers---all armies are mercenary armies---they get paid and they do a job---even taliban soldiers are mercenaries---they don't get paid they go home.

What is so funny over here is---that you guys claim yourself to be the children of INVADERS & CONQUERERS of hindustan----but from you people's responses I don't see the GENES of INVADERS in you people.

For me---no disrespect @Khafee this was the East India Company moment---when the local Maharaja stated---help me---protect me---and we all know what happened afterwards---.

But as they gulf nations are our brothers---it would not have happened in that manner because we respect them.

It is a shame if we stopped because of corruption---. Ask the Israeli jews what exorbitant prices they paid for their weapons to protect them before and after 1948.

That is why---I have always stated---the bribe should have been given on the Mirage 2K's in the early 90's----what would it have cost---the price of 6 aircraft---so instead of 36---you would get 30----because that procurement was a game changer.

What is the big deal if 1/3rd would have gone for the bribes----the 2/3rd would have changed the face of your military---even 1/2 of that would have changed everything---.

You guys problems is that your egos and bad training come in the way of your thinking----it is never pakistan first.

When your large military is starving for weapons and equipment---why would you say that the gulf armies are capable----even if they were---I would say no you are not capable---you don't have the ability to do it---let me do this job for you----that is how you would build your military---.

You guys need to learn larceny to better your military and nation and not your pockets---.

You cannot live on the glory of the nuclear celebrations in the middle east---it is for these nuc things that the world has its eyes on you to neuter you---the nuclear weapons are a big liability as well and you needed to have a stronger resource to protect them which incidentally got pummeled by the rhetoric full speeches of the pakistanis.

 

[Pakistani E]

Really we are already part of it from day one it's you who are to innocent to fall for statements which are given for public consumption so please when you don't know reality than better to remain quite

Re-read what I said. We are not fighting Iran anytime soon for the GCC. Yes, we are part of the alliance, but if you think Pakistan is sending 100,000 soldiers to Saudi then you are deluded.

That's all I talked about. As for who knows better about Army etc, all I'll say is unlike you I don't get my information from FB.