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PIA GROUNDS 18 PLANES (some reports 13), LEFT WITH 21 POORLY OPERATIONAL

You know what they say......"the easiest way for a billionaire to become a millionaire is investing in the airline business".

Now imagine if someone bought out PIA...he/she would commit suicide....lol...

Same goes for air India.......aka.....bucket airlines
 
You know what they say......"the easiest way for a billionaire to become a millionaire is investing in the airline business".

Now imagine if someone bought out PIA...he/she would commit suicide....lol...

Same goes for air India.......aka.....bucket airlines

then why is kingfisher guy earning billions??
 
then why is kingfisher guy earning billions??

The guy is making huge losses with the kingfisher airlines. The magnitude of the loss is so great that he even came close to asking the government of India to bail his company out.
 
1st privatetization can only be done of profit organizations which our idiot politicans dont understand ..

secondly as musharraf said in interviewees in past that"its not govt job to do business" we should privitize it. but to do that u have to put it in profit first

thrid politicians don't want it to be privatized its the biggest source of corruption thats why

last..i wounder the judge who reversed steel mills privitization and gave govt(economy) a jolt of billions of rupees (lossess and fall in production), simply dont care about 100 billion loss, a loss equals to three times of our health budget! i think his pockets are being filled too and things like memogate are mere distractions
 
After Pakistan Railway (PR)
Pakistan International Airline (PIA)

Lagay Raho Munna Bahi ;)

next is pakistan buses, and then car, because no cng, no petrol

chalo bhai where is ghada gadi :lol::lol:
 
next is pakistan buses, and then car, because no cng, no petrol

chalo bhai where is ghada gadi :lol::lol:

It is not a ghadha, but a new model by BMW! :lol:

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The problem is thousand of political party workers draw their salaries from Steel Mills -Railways and PIA, yes they do nothing and get paid.
The unions will protest the privatization as private sector will get ride of political gangsters working in government own companies while doing nothing except for corruption and drawing salaries.
 
Pakistan's problem is not necessarily the system

Its people , I have noticed it for while but in Pakistan , unlike most developed nations, we have a class of people who are illiterate or what you call ignorant - they managed to hussle - struggle or steal their way into position of authority

These group of people , have managed to get into every echelon of Society and work environment of Pakistani corporate system


Government Jobs:
Have been getting filled with high ratio of these culprits who may not have been merited enough to hold this rank , but over last 20-25 years they have been with corporate companies, and they tend to fire or eliminate competition

Its is this group of people that

a) Runs shady contract deals since they are now in Management level
b) Its this shady group that also is responsible for doing or allowing hiring of political party members
c) The same group also gets the aid money and then it uses fake accounting practices to hide it or declare it as a loss


We have the high level management ...this is still some what safe ... but the sub level management is highly cancerous


Secondly , people in government organizations feel that they are not responsible for making profit and there is no structure in place to Punish Losses !!!



Lets take Pakistan Railways for example:
a) The railway stations are rusting away ... do any of the workers take or think its their reponsibility to maintain it
b) There is no fear in ticket collector , if someone is riding for free , thousands ride for free in Railways
c) The engineers that work on railways do they have a process in place to report things directly with government


NO ONE IS LIABLE - NO ONE IS HELD RESPONSIBLE

In china when you mess up something like pollute river in city with waste , the head of that company is hanged !!!

How about we introduce similar rules in our corporations

LEARN FROM CHINA :agree:

The real cream of crop in Pakistan the Top 10%

Already lives in USA - Europe - Australia they are making a killing and rising up the rank

The problem is in Pakistan they got NO FAT CHANCE since the "Incompotent Breed" is now in management level , who are technically only 5-8% intellectually capable compared to the real Educated class in Pakistan who now perhaps don't reside in Pakistan may be just 1 % of that intellectual class still lives in Pakistan and 0.5% of those are in army


When someone tries to oust these "CANCER in Pakistan the uneducated class out " what they do

a) They closed down the Institute of Higher Education who verifies educational degrees
b) They closed down the branch that makes sure all children get equal education
c) They start having these Rallies , and burn tires and busses to force government
How about the government start filling some Jails


This CANCER , is not alive and multiplying as these breed continues to have million children each and when their kids get older they are pushed thru same corrupt channels into corporations (government organizations)


So the bad GENE is being promoted in Pakistan which is why we are stuck in this Limbo ... for last 30 years

We really need a efforts to Cleanse out these sifarishi folks

a) We need a Educational System over haul , to promote merit
b) We need CONTROL over Universities and close down illegal ones or those who do not perform
c) We need to get jobs for the Top 10% as soon as they get out of school
d) We need to start RETIRING BAD APPLES in corporations FAST REAL FAST



Top Nations in world the TOP 10% already have high PAYING JOBS as soon as they graduate


GENETICS play a big role , when a person who is smart breed a child his child is likely to be smart and also go thru school likely

When you have a person who is politicians and has no education he stole and cheated or killed to be in power breeds his kids will also be like him (criminals) and they will do like their father ...




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Some revolutionary changes that Pakistan should undertake is

RESERVE ALL GOV MANAGEMENT JOBS FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE HIGH CLASS EDUCATION FROM ABROAD - OR VERIFIABLE EDUCATION FROM TOP CLASS UNIVERSITIES IN Pakistan

If possible get a Forigne Hiring Consulting company to help with hirings in these roles CUTTING the politics in hiring in Pakistan


PREVENT GOVERNMENT POLITICAL PARTIES TO ENTER THEIR CANDIDATES INTO CORPORATIONS
CREATE A BRANCH THAT HANDLES CORRUPTION CHECKS OF THIS NATURE

COMPUTERIZE ALL GOVERNMENT WORK

EMPLOYEE RIGHTS AND LAW SHOULD BE ESTABLISHED - GIVE EMPLOYERS POWER TO FIRE WORKERS IF NO PROFITS ARE MADE


CREATE A NATIONAL DATABASE FOR TOP 10% Students in Pakistan , and make sure 99.9% is hired by Pakistani institutes after graduation


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Kill the Cheating culture and corruption during exams for Universities and Schools by FORCE

Establish Exam centers outside of Cities , where 50,000-55,000 students they go and they can give National Level Exams where army / police control no one can pass info to students
or teachers who happen to assist certain students with answered documents


Once this system is place , we will get Merit and also the merited people will get Jobs and start fixing the cancer


*** The current local system is compromised you see teachers and people getting answered sheets and politicians making sure their kids get high marks this kills any legal and legit merit system


The schools are the breeding ground when incompetence is PROMOTED ... specifically
grade 8-10 .... and during board exams we see maximum corruption and this process stays with lives of students after they graduate they continue to see same corruption over and over again as they graduate and it becomes part of their lives
 
We are not in different boats when it comes to corruption and we indian's are good to be bigger looters ( only competition from pakistan will be Mr.10%)

The Basic issue for Pakistan is that you need to get some good , intellectual, intelligent people who can review the economy, yes privatisation is good but not in all sectors, Airline can be privatised but who will pay for the VIP flights, but railway cannot be because their is some social commitment to the travel of poor people, students, ex-service, pensioners etc

Last thing is to throw away all the aids with strings and start to stand on your legs ( you can look for help from arab countries Iran, saudi etc who are very rich and china & russia for their technical & management expertise) , the population should think about economy first (than any thing other than politics, usa, india, cia etc and all other theories)
 
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The Basic issue for Pakistan is that you need to get some good , intellectual, intelligent people who can review the economy, .....................

Nope. The system is designed to either throw these people out of the country, or bury them in dead end jobs, and it does that very well.
 


Discussion on revolution and look at political parties ... and in general the core of problem


Great Philosophical Mind (FAST FORWARD 4:30 IN VIDEO )

 
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State can always provide managed subsidy to basic services like rail, national carrier etc. You can not always look for profit in everything. But the subsidies should be in a manageable level without hampering the macro economic condition of the state. There are some private airline operator in Pakistan but none could match the business/service volume of the PIA. That means, if you privatize the carrier you going to loose 80% of it.
 
This is how PIA should deal with its problem in simple steps:

1- Sell Roosevelt Hotel in New York that belongs to PIA, estimated price at 1.5 billion dollars.

2- Raise another 1.5 billion dollars using the money from Roosevelt Hotel sale as seed equity. Since the loan is 100% guaranteed by seed equity money, it can be long term and on very low interest amounts.

3- Use this 3 billion dollar to buy new fuel efficient and low maintenance planes like B-787 dreamliners for short and medium range operations and B-777 for long range operations.

4- Kick out all un-necessary staff and make PIA leaner.

5- Respect the passengers (the folks who are bankrolling PIA)
 
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