Pew Survey: Pakistanis Strongly Believe in Working Hard to Succeed

[my2cents]

Pakistan has problems but nothing like India's.

There are many many foreign independent visitors, even some Indians, who offer anecdotal evidence of life of ordinary Pakistanis being better than those of ordinary Indians.

For example, here's Wiliam Dalrymple in The Guardian article titled "The Poor Neighbor": "On the ground, of course, the reality is different and first-time visitors to Pakistan are almost always surprised by the country's visible prosperity. There is far less poverty on show in Pakistan than in India, fewer beggars, and much less desperation."

Another recent book "Pakistan-A Hard Country" by Anatol Lieven: "Pakistan lacks the huge concentrations of absolute poverty to be found in India's cities and countryside."

In a recent piece titled "Failed state? Try Pakistan's M2 motorway", Alistair Scrutton of Reuters summed it up as follows:

"It (M2 motorway) puts paid to what's on offer in Pakistan's traditional foe and emerging economic giant India, where village culture stubbornly refuses to cede to even the most modern motorways, making them battlegrounds of rickshaws, lorries and cows."

Indian Planning Commission member Syeda Hameed.

"India is worse than Bangladesh and Pakistan when it comes to nourishment and is showing little improvement in the area despite big money being spent on it".

Haq's Musings: Poll Finds Pakistanis Happier Than Neighbors



Indian coolies dominate the cyber coolie space but they certainly don't have a monopoly on it.

Most Indians have never been to Pakistan, so we have no idea about conditions on ground.... we just go by factual data, not anecdotal data. If you guys are better off than us we are just happy for it. Somehow the factual data doesn't jive well with what you say is the reality.

 

[INDIC]

Pakistan has problems but nothing like India's.

Oh really! Then why do Pakistan has lower HDI than India.

 

[RiazHaq]

Oh really! Then why do Pakistan has lower HDI than India.

Contrived composite indexes do not represent the reality of basics like food, clothing, shelter and basic hygiene...areas in which India lags not only Pakistan but the poorest of the poor in sub-Saharan Africa.

Haq's Musings: Food, Clothing and Shelter in India and Pakistan

 

[Vinod2070]

HDI is contrived!

Something that is accepted by the world's most renowned economists and development agencies who actually know their stuff!

Just because it doesn't suit some coolies in their ripe old age!

 

[Riteon]

Seems Riaz is happy as long Pak's Probs are not as big as India's in a given angle thru a Specific lens..................ALL IS WELL as long india is not

 

[INDIC]

Contrived composite indexes do not represent the reality of basics like food, clothing, shelter and basic hygiene...areas in which India lags not only Pakistan but the poorest of the poor in sub-Saharan Africa.

Haq's Musings: Food, Clothing and Shelter in India and Pakistan

So, videos and blog from Haq's musings is the most authentic report instead of UNDP and well-known economists. What next authentic source which could surpass UNDP, the same blog, "A zillion reason to escape from India." Your comments are funny .

 

[RiazHaq]

So, videos and blog from Haq's musings is the most authentic report instead of UNDP and well-known economists. What next authentic source which could surpass UNDP, the same blog, "A zillion reason to escape from India." Your comments are funny .

No single index can capture the reality of deep deprivation of average Indians. It takes multiple points of data on everything from poverty and hunger to basic sanitation from credible and independent sources that I cite in my blog.

Haq's Musings: India and Pakistan Comparison Update 2011

 

[karan.1970]

No single index can capture the reality of deep deprivation of average Indians. It takes multiple points of data on everything from poverty and hunger to basic sanitation from credible and independent sources that I cite in my blog.

Ok.. Lets look at some components of the index as well


Improvement in HDI scores from 1980 to 2011

India = 59%
Pakistan = 41%


Inequality adjusted Life Expectancy India

India 0.522
Pakistan 0.485


Inequality adjusted Education Index
India .267
Pakistan .207


Inequality Adjusted Income Index
India .433
Pakistan .413


% Births attended by skilled health Personnel

India = 52%
Pakistan = 39%


Expected Years of schooling

India = 10.3
Pakistan = 6.9


Per Capita GNI

India $3468
Pakistan $2550

 

[ramu]

No single index can capture the reality of deep deprivation of average Indians. It takes multiple points of data on everything from poverty and hunger to basic sanitation from credible and independent sources that I cite in my blog.

And yet you hang on to decimal points in an argument ignoring the larger picture. India today inspite of all its short comings is seen as a leader and a model for democracy. About Pakistan, lesser said the better.

 

[INDIC]

No single index can capture the reality of deep deprivation of average Indians. It takes multiple points of data on everything from poverty and hunger to basic sanitation from credible and independent sources that I cite in my blog.

Haq's Musings: India and Pakistan Comparison Update 2011

You blog is totally unauthentic.

 

[gslv mk3]

if you dont know hindu rate of growth then you shouldnt be talking economy, and forget about sky scrapper lets compare the road network...lol..you dont compare two countries by how many BMW you see on road but how many donkey carts you see

Road network???Hell yeah lets compare 160 km 8-12 lane + 4 lane service lane hyderabad Outer Ring Road with 43 km 6 lane Lahore ring road...
Metro rail???
Why forget skyscrapers???coz you dont have one?????
BMWs??I see a lot of Audis,mercs and BMWs here...
Do you even a have an indigenous car?????

Indians would be stunned to see non existant glass and steel airports,metro rail and skyscrapers in Pakistani cities.......

What was wrong with the post regarding 'Hindu' growth rate? What ticked you off so badly?

Its a fact that for most part of the three decades of 60 to 80s, Pakistan achieved a growth rate between 6 to 7.5%. This made the Pakistan middle class having better living standards than rest of South Asia.

India started catching up in 90s. Because India had a better industrial infrastructure, it gained the ground much rapidly.

Now we are much better......
PLease use Indian Growth Rate...not Hindhu growth rate

'. That realization hit me as a rude shock the moment I stepped out of the plane and entered Islamabad's plush International Airport, easily far more efficient, modern and better maintained than any of its counterparts in India. [/B]

look at the 'plush' islamabad airport.............

Now look at a tier 3 airport in india

Not even Better than a tier 3 Indian airport

 

[RiazHaq]

Ok.. Lets look at some components of the index as well


Improvement in HDI scores from 1980 to 2011

India = 59%
Pakistan = 41%


Inequality adjusted Life Expectancy India

India 0.522
Pakistan 0.485

Forget about all this BS about improvement. Look at how horrible the current situation.

In spite of the "improvement" you cite, India still remains home to the world's largest population of poor, hungry and illiterate people. Tragically, hunger remains India's biggest problem, with an estimated 7000 Indians dying of hunger every single day. Over 200 million Indians will go to bed hungry tonight, as they do every night, according to Bhookh.com. Along with chronic hunger, deep poverty and high illiteracy also continue to blight the lives of hundreds of millions of Indians on a daily basis.

A recent Oxford study on multi-dimensional poverty confirmed that Indians are far more deprived than Pakistanis and the poorest of the poor Africans. The study reveals that there are more "MPI poor" people in eight Indian states (421 million in Bihar, Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, Madhya Pradesh , Orissa, Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh, and West Bengal) than in the 26 poorest African countries combined (410 million).

India also fares badly on the 2009 World Hunger Index, ranking at 65 along with several sub-Saharan nations. Pakistan ranks at 58 on the same index.

A 2011 UNICEF report said Indians make up 58% of the world population which still practices open defection. India (638m) is followed by Indonesia (58m), China (50m), Ethiopia (49m), Pakistan (48m), Nigeria (33m) and Sudan (17m). In terms of percentage of each country's population resorting to the unhygienic practice, Ethiopia tops the list with 60%, followed by India 54%, Nepal 50%, Pakistan 28%, Indonesia 26%, and China 4%.

Haq's Musings: 63 Years After Independence, India Remains Home to World's Largest Population of Poor, Hungry and Illiterates

 

[INDIC]

Road network???Hell yeah lets compare 160 km 8-12 lane + 4 lane service lane hyderabad Outer Ring Road with 43 km 6 lane Lahore ring road...
Metro rail???
Why forget skyscrapers???coz you dont have one?????
BMWs??I see a lot of Audis,mercs and BMWs here...
Do you even a have an indigenous car?????

Indians would be stunned to see non existant glass and steel airports,metro rail and skyscrapers in Pakistani cities.......

Availablity of paved road/person is more for India compared to Pakistan. Same with Railways.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Forget about all this BS about improvement. Look at how horrible the current situation.

Why? is your Indo-phobic ego so out of whack that, slightest indicators of improvement in India immediately triggers a cognitive dissonance?

In spite of the "improvement" you cite, India still remains home to the world's largest population of poor, hungry and illiterate people.

Discussed to ad infinitum, except hunger, India will probably be 2nd largest or the nation to bring largest number of poor in the last decade and showed largest improvement in literacy in the last decade by numbers.

Tragically, hunger remains India's biggest problem, with an estimated 7000 Indians dying of hunger every single day. Over 200 million Indians will go to bed hungry tonight, as they do every night, according to Bhookh.com. Along with chronic hunger, deep poverty and high illiteracy also continue to blight the lives of hundreds of millions of Indians on a daily basis.

Most of these references in Bhookh.com are outdated going back as 6 years

Besides, you yourself said :

Look at how horrible the current situation.

And you are posting data that is 6 years old?

Sources :

UN World Food Programme
UN World Health Organization: Global Database on Child Growth and Malnutrition, 2006
UN Food and Agriculture Organization: SOFI 2006 Report
National Commission for Enterprises in the Unorganized Sector (India)
National Family Health Survey 2005 – 06 (NFHS-3) (India)
Centre for Environment and Food Security (India)
Rural 21 (India)

Hunger Facts | The Hunger Site for Facts: Bhookh.com

Try catching up to 2012

A recent Oxford study on multi-dimensional poverty confirmed that Indians are far more deprived than Pakistanis and the poorest of the poor Africans. The study reveals that there are more "MPI poor" people in eight Indian states (421 million in Bihar, Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, Madhya Pradesh , Orissa, Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh, and West Bengal) than in the 26 poorest African countries combined (410 million).

Numbers again,

Besides percentage of population in severe MPI for India 28.56

percentage of population in severe MPI for Pakistan 27.42

StatPlanet

I guess the above difference of 1.14% must be thing to take pride and salivate over Indian poverty? eh?

India also fares badly on the 2009 World Hunger Index, ranking at 65 along with several sub-Saharan nations. Pakistan ranks at 58 on the same index.

Cherry picking again.

2011 Global hunger Index values

India - 23.7

Pakistan - 20.7

Difference of 3 , another reason to salivate and foam over India's hunger problem

Haq's Musings: 63 Years After Independence, India Remains Home to World's Largest Population of Poor, Hungry and Illiterates

Ah! the rituailistic ending of the post by adevertizemnt of the blog.


Besides, i'm asking for the fourth time, what do you call a Pakistani Sr. Software Engineer / Developer / Programmer who earns less than Indian code coolie ?

 

[gslv mk3]

^^^^Buddy you are wasting you time...He would not reply with any facts instead he will come up with some India poor,India dirty BS...
this is the second time I replied about plush islamabad airport...
He would post the same next time in other thread
Pakistani airports are much better than India...lol
Do they have anything to compete with these marvellous glass and steel structures...