Peshawar Massacre - TTP kills hundreds of school kids (Avoid graphic pics/vids)

[Screambowl]

I shall point out two reasons as to why you get little or no respect.

1. Circular logic about ISI because you are obsessed with ISI - eg. your flawed question as to what happens if ISI field agents get absorbed in TTP and using that question to make an unwarranted assertion that TTP is under ISI control. If you still do not see it, there is no hope for you.

2. Circular logic about India because of your unchecked nationalism (do read my signature BTW) - eg. India is only involved..... otherwise militancy in ... Pakistan will not stop. India's involvement is conditional, and yet linked to militancy in Pakistan. Many Indians would do their best to avoid any suggestion that India is involved in Pakistan, but you have no such qualms.

Put #1 and #2 together and one could claim that India in under Pakistan's control, since its agents could (conceivably) be absorbed in Pakistan's TTP, which in turn is run by ISI... !!!!!!

See how your gymnastics ensure that you be laughed at when you let your itchy fingers do their own thing without any aid from a rational mind.

Sir, well I am sure you have heard about HUJI, Harkat ul Jihad al Islami. Carried out several attack in India, I have already posted it. Most of its recruits are Pakistani citizens. Once took part in Jihad in Kashmir. And you are saying, ISI was not aware of this? Trained by ISI to counter soviets then used by ISI to strike in India. Harkat ul-Ansar (HuA) formed by one of the leader of HUJI, Khalil, currently operating in Azad Kashmir.

HUJI this is also one of the group involved in Peshawar attack. I hope you are understanding what Indian government told in dossiers to Pakistani government in the last one decade, Sir!

Activities in India[edit]
In April 2006, the state police Special Task Force in India uncovered a plot hatched by six HuJI terrorists, including the mastermind behind the 2006 Varanasi bombings, involving the destruction of two Hindu temples in the Indian city of Varanasi. Maps of their plans were recovered during their arrest. Pakistani passports had been in the possession of the arrested. Huji has claimed responsibility for blasts in the New Delhi high court which claimed the lives of 10 and injured around 60.[12] Vikar Ahmed, a member of a right-wing Islamic group, and connected to HuJI, has been accused of murdering police officers in Hyderabad. He is also a suspect in the Mecca Masjid bombing.[13]

2011 Delhi bombing[edit]
Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami has claimed responsibility for the 2011 Delhi bombing. However, this has not been confirmed by the National Investigation Agency.[14][15]

14 people were killed and 94 people were injured in the bomb blast. Police have released two sketches of the suspects.[16] Here is the Embedded video link for this latest attack. This link has English news video clip.[17] This is in Hindi Language.[18] Also as clear in the video links, they have also made threats to target other Indian cities.

 

[pak-marine]

 

[Dubious]

News about another bomb blast happened in a girls school is reported by some medias..

why no one covering it? @Fulcrum15 @waz @Donatello @Secur

 

[pak-marine]

 

[LeGenD]

Your post is self contradictory. First you say that corrupt elements cannot florish in an Islamic state yet at the same time the assassination of the caliphs shows that they very well existed so that by the time of the prophet's grandson's martyrdom.. they had made their presence known.

Islam spread to many regions under the leadership of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and rightly guided caliphs afterwards. However, it isn't surprising that some individuals turned out to be Munafiqs and took advantage of bravery of leadership. In those times, many societal management related constraints existed and caliphs were simple individuals who didn't roam around with squads of body guards.

Evolution of modern societal infrastructure can pave way for formulation of a powerful, effective, and independent Islamic system that is not dependent upon a single individual to flourish.

 

[Devil Soul]

57 terrorists killed in Tirah Vally: DG ISPR

 

[Iggy]

why no one covering it? @Fulcrum15 @waz @Donatello @Secur

New Pakistan school attack: Taliban bomb girls' college in Khyber Province

 

[VCheng]

But I have not stated the state machinery do it. I do not see that in my post.. where did you assume that?

If anything, this ideology has to be completely disconnected from the state machinery.. the state machinery must be cleansed of all religious ideals in its decision making process.

This movement needs to be grass roots.

Then we can agree on this point. But, as I asked before, how can "religion must be used to remove harm caused by religion", as you said earlier, work if we agree on this separation? There is no grass nor grass roots in this field, only pebbles over hard rock.

 

[asad71]

http://timesofindia....ow/45550664.cms

Taliban release images of Peshawar killers, warn of more such attacks

 

[SQ8]

This is also the same group involved in Peshawar attack. I hope you are understanding what Indian government told in dossiers to Pakistani government in the last one decade, Sir!.

It is NOT the same group. There may be connections of this group to those groups, but NOT the same. The distinction is important to understand how to eliminate each threat via a targeted action. The ISI may have connections as alleged by India, but these are through handlers just as India has connections to the group that did carry out this attack through handlers.

These groups are NOT lying static whilst the ISI, RAW, CIA, MOSSAD,Starbucks decides on their next requirement for the group to do. The group is now self sustaining and hence has its own agendas and will only carry out the agendas of others whence provided with sufficient financial incentive.
So while the accusations and counter accusations can fly.. there is truth that India(or other parties) has supported the TTP for attacks on various military targets , but there is also Truth that India has nothing to do with yesterday's attack. The same way, ISI may have supported the aforementioned groups for attacks across the LoC against military targets.. it may have nothing to do with the attacks mentioned by you. What the actual guilt is in is letting these groups roam about because they did not seem to present a threat to the state except being a cause of inconvenience diplomatically now and then with the attacks on civilians you have mentioned, a small price thought at the time for what was essentially very cheap cannon fodder against India elsewhere.

 

[qaisar52]

 

[Asian.Century]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152669936372663

 

[pak-marine]

Indian schoolchildren pay tribute to Peshawar massacre victims

 

[Screambowl]

It is NOT the same group. There may be connections of this group to those groups, but NOT the same. The distinction is important to understand how to eliminate each threat via a targeted action. The ISI may have connections as alleged by India, but these are through handlers just as India has connections to the group that did carry out this attack through handlers.

These groups are NOT lying static whilst the ISI, RAW, CIA, MOSSAD,Starbucks decides on their next requirement for the group to do. The group is now self sustaining and hence has its own agendas and will only carry out the agendas of others whence provided with sufficient financial incentive.
So while the accusations and counter accusations can fly.. there is truth that India(or other parties) has supported the TTP for attacks on various military targets , but there is also Truth that India has nothing to do with yesterday's attack. The same way, ISI may have supported the aforementioned groups for attacks across the LoC against military targets.. it may have nothing to do with the attacks mentioned by you. What the actual guilt is in is letting these groups roam about because they did not seem to present a threat to the state except being a cause of inconvenience diplomatically now and then with the attacks on civilians you have mentioned, a small price thought at the time for what was essentially very cheap cannon fodder against India elsewhere.

The question is not what this group is doing, the question is why it is allowed to operate?

And yes, it is the same group, Sir!
HuJI, along with other jihadi groups such as Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT), HuM, and Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) emerged from the same source,[vague] and therefore had similar motivations and goals.[6] HuJI and HuM were both strongly backed by the Taliban, and therefore the group professed Taliban-style fundamentalist Islam. HuJI espoused a Pan-Islamic ideology, but it believed in violent means to liberate Kashmir and make it a part of Pakistan.[4]

 

[SQ8]

Then we can agree on this point. But, as I asked before, how can "religion must be used to remove harm caused by religion", as you said earlier, work if we agree on this separation? There is no grass nor grass roots in this field, only pebbles over hard rock.

Because there is an underlying reactionary element based on religion, the masses are hooked on the drug. So how do you rehabilitate a drug user? Especially when you cannot use dedicated centres or sober houses?

A simple analogy is getting a smoker to drop his cigarette? What is the most common technique that works? Nicotine patches.. today the new deal is e-cigs.. sure.. the nicotine is still there, but at least the person is not smoking in tar or otherwise.

Not that Islam can be equated on that level, but the idea of fighting fire with fire remains. You kill a forest fire by burning up the immediate greenery in front of it so that the original rolling firestorm runs out of fuel to breed in.