Peshawar Massacre - TTP kills hundreds of school kids (Avoid graphic pics/vids)

[pak-marine]

A prayer for Peshawar
17th December 2014 |
Vigils were held in Karachi, Islamabad and other major cities of the country for the children and teachers that were killed in Peshawar in a massacre carried out by Taliban militants.

A student in Karachi holding a rose takes part in a prayer for victims of the Taliban attack on Army Public School in Peshawar. – Reuters

Activists light candles. — AFP

Pakistani journalists and civil society members hold a candle light vigil. — AP

Activists of a religious group's student wing hold a flower basket and candles. — AP

A man lights candles to mourn victims from Army Public School in Peshawar. — Reuters

Children pray for the departed school children in Peshawar. — AP

Candle light vigil in Islamabad. — AP

PTI activists light candles for the victims in Karachi. — AFP

Students in Karachi read the Holy Quran and pray for the victims. — AFP

People partake in a candle light vigil at Teen Talwar, Clifton, Karachi. — Ali Umair Jaffery

 

[Asian.Century]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152670224267663

 

[SQ8]

The question is not what this group is doing, the question is why it is allowed to operate?

And yes, it is the same group, Sir!
HuJI, along with other jihadi groups such as Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT), HuM, and Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) emerged from the same source,[vague] and therefore had similar motivations and goals.[6] HuJI and HuM were both strongly backed by the Taliban, and therefore the group professed Taliban-style fundamentalist Islam. HuJI espoused a Pan-Islamic ideology, but it believed in violent means to liberate Kashmir and make it a part of Pakistan.[4]

No it isnt, you ca argue stubbornly via wikipedia mon ami but those familiar with the landscape beyond the usual sources other than local Pakistani intelligence will tell you exactly what I did. The LeT, JeM all have interconnections with the TTP..may have had recruits cross over to the TTP.. but they are NOT the TTP.

And Ive already given you the answer to your first question here and in posts earlier.

 

[Adecypher]

Do not want to create a tangent on this thread but wants to know some input on PCB's decision of not postponing the 4th ODI (One Day International) Cricket match vs. New Zealand considering this tragedy. Keep in mind that earlier on accidental death of Australian Test player Phil Hughes the test match was suspended for one day.

 

[waz]

Please stay on topic posters, thank you.

 

[Screambowl]

No it isnt, you ca argue stubbornly via wikipedia mon ami but those familiar with the landscape beyond the usual sources other than local Pakistani intelligence will tell you exactly what I did. The LeT, JeM all have interconnections with the TTP..may have had recruits cross over to the TTP.. but they are NOT the TTP.

And Ive already given you the answer to your first question here and in posts earlier.

can you publish any evidence , if they are not the same group? I never said about they are TTP, I said about HUJI. They might have links, but HUJI is not TTP , yet.

 

[Kharral]

you yet again spelled barbarian wrong.
savage also fits, but its a bit less intense

Do I still spell a barbarian wrong bro ?

 

[LeGenD]

Then we can agree on this point. But, as I asked before, how can "religion must be used to remove harm caused by religion", as you said earlier, work if we agree on this separation? There is no grass nor grass roots in this field, only pebbles over hard rock.

You simply do not understand the root-causes of terrorism in modern times. Terrorism is a very complex phenomenon and it have multiple causes. Blaming religions exclusively is naïve and stupid.

CAUSES OF TERRORISM

To understand and solve the problem of terrorism it is essential for all to realize and identify the causes of terrorism. The terrorism is a complex phenomenon which has several reasons such as social, economic, religious and political etc. all these factors contribute in the enhancement and flourishing the terrorist activities. This global phenomenon has various causes and some of them are being spelled out briefly for the better understanding of the issue. This is also notable that the causes of terrorism may be different in various societies due to its religious, ethnic and political nature.

(i) Helplessness and Hopelessness

Helplessness which leads to hopelessness is the psychological state that enhances terrorism in the society. The society in which the people are ignored and have to suffer from socioeconomic and political injustice provide conducive environment to promote terrorism. When the people and their problem are neglected or kept aloof they ultimately express their resentment in the form of violent behaviour to attract the attention of the state and the people. We can witness that in the long standing political disputes such as Palestine and Kashmir etc where the aspirations of the people were not heeded some of them started militant movements. Similarly, in communist regimes where the people were not given their socio-political rights they brought about even deadly revolution.

(ii) Political and Economic Deprivation

Political and Economic deprivations are the main root causes of terrorism. When the political and economic rights of the certain groups are not granted it chooses the suitable method of terrorism to show their anger. This deprivation encourages the effected groups to adopt the violent ways to get their aspirations fulfilled. For example we can see that in northern states of India such as Asam, Nagaland, and West Bengal etc. the communists started gorilla war against the Indian Government. Charles Kegley while discussing the contemporary terrorism presents a root cause school of thought which asserts that political and economic deprivation are the main causes of terrorism. He views the advocates of “Root Causes Theory” propel that “politically oppressed and economically deprived people more prone to violent and terrorist behavior. They are deprived of their basic needs and this condition forces them to change their fate by hook or crook (Zafar, 2007:27).

(iii) Influence of Communist Regimes

At the end of cold war the influence of communist regimes inspired by Marxist and Leninist theories made a cause of escalation of terrorism in the world. Being influenced by such regimes many freedom movements adopted violence. We see in Nepal, Bhutan and Sri Lanka communists and Tamales started violent movements in the last to decades of twentieth century for their freedom.

(iv) Poverty and Economic Exploitation

In the society where there is illiteracy, hunger and economic disparity the terrorism flourishes rapidly. All these factors lead to increase in poverty which itself is the mother of terrorism. Famous philosopher Aristotle had agreed on the assertion stating that “Poverty is mother of Terrorism and Revolution”. We see for example in Muslim countries there is a huge amount of poverty and that is why, it becomes easier for the terrorist groups to find the interested persons due to their poor economic conditions. Daniel Pipes (2002) says that “As long as there is poverty, inequality, injustice and repressive political systems, militant Islamic tendencies will grow in the world”.

(V) Easy Access to Weapons and Modern Technology

Due to incredible advancement in weapons technology and human knowledge it has become easy for the terrorists to get them easily. Hugh quantity of information about the arms manufacturing has been spread by internet which has made the access of the terrorists easy and they use weapons to get quick results the act of terrorism.

(VI) Sheer Success of Terrorism

Terrorism is a short cut tactic for the terrorists to achieve their goals quickly. It is more result orientated rather than peaceful movement. That is why the terrorist groups adopt this for getting more results in shorter time. Easy access to weapons and widespread information of the arms technology is the cause of escalation of terrorism in modern times.

(VI) Lack of Democracy and Dictatorship

Lack of Democracy is the main cause of terrorism in present times. The dictators and autocrat governments frighten opponents. They do it to the create the fear among the masses to suppress any opposition against their governments. In undemocratic circumstances the people do not find ways to express their disagreement and as a result some of them turn to the violent means to submit their expression. We can see in many autocrat and communist states in Latin America and Africa the massive force was used against the political opponents such as in Cuba Zambia and Congo etc.

(VIII) Religious Extremism

There is a school of thought which considers that the religious extremism is the major cause of terrorism. Mark Juergensmeyer says that “The religion is crucial for these acts since it gives moral justifications for the killing and provides images of cosmic war that allows activists to believe that they are waging spiritual scenarios” (Zafar, 2007:31). It does not mean that the religion causes terrorism but it does mean that the religion often provides symbols that make possible bloodshed even catastrophic acts of terrorism. As evidence we can observe that the majority of the terrorist movements are inspired by the religion or at-least it is claimed.

(IX) Biological and Social Elements

Other than above mentioned causes sociologists have another point of view. A man is violent by nature. The sociologists present three hypotheses biological instinctual, social learning, and frustration aggression. Sigmund Freud’s says that “Man is embodied with an instinctive urge and appetite of attacking and subjugating others” (Zafar, 2007). It means that naturally human beings try to divert towards violence and terrorism by nature. The second point is that the social learning of the person also convinces him/her towards terrorism. If one grows and develops in the oppressed society one can be easily attracted towards violence and terrorism. Jean Jacques Rousseau presents the theory of social learning he says that “human mind is like a blank sheet and whatever his society likes, paints on it” (IBID). If one lives in violent society he/she would remain motivated towards terrorism. Theory of frustration aggression was coined by the psychologists of Yale University in 1939. They viewed that the aggressive behaviour of a man reveals the existence of frustration in him. It means frustration produces the aggression and it is not sui genres. All above discussion does not encompass the causes of terrorism but provides view for the laymen. However, it is the common responsibility of all the stakeholders to contemplate on the issue to understand the phenomenon of the terrorism in religo-cultural and socio- economic perspective. In short, a sense of deprivation, sense of being exploited and sense of being cheated are important factors escalating terrorism in this modern era.

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Other than above discussion I would like to mention the causes of terrorism in the context of Pakistan as highlighted by the Gen. Pervez Musharraf President of Pakistan. He, while addressing in international seminar on Global Terrorism on August 29-2007 organized by institute of Regional studies (IRS) Islamabad pin pointed some noteworthy causes of terrorism in Pakistani and global perspective. He described following causes which deserve due attention by the international community.

Political deprivation and alienation are an arch cause of terrorism. This leads to hopelessness. The sense of powerlessness, which then leads to these terrorist acts.

Lack of education and poverty are equally responsible for the increasing in terrorist activities. The illiterate are wrongly given the hope to go directly in to the heaven if he/she commits terrorist act for God or religion. Thus, in circumstance where there is lack of education and poverty it becomes easier for the master minds of the terrorist groups to launch the offences at the cost of the socio-economic compulsion and ignorance of the poor masses.

President Gen. Pervez Musharraf has rightly indicated that the wrong understanding and misinterpretation of the religion is the important cause of terrorism. He asserts that in Pakistan there are many clerics who have limited knowledge of the teachings and values of the Islam. They misguide the people for their vested interests in the name of religion.

Source: http://www.biztek.edu.pk/downloads/research/jmss_v3_n1/4 terrorism a socio economic and.pdf

 

[Dubious]

@Oscar kal say pani nai piya kiya?

 

[SQ8]

Islam spread to many regions under the leadership of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and rightly guided caliphs afterwards. However, it isn't surprising that some individuals turned out to be Munafiqs and took advantage of bravery of leadership. In those times, many societal management related constraints existed and caliphs were simple individuals who didn't roam around with squads of body guards.

Evolution of modern societal infrastructure can pave way for formulation of a powerful, effective, and independent Islamic system that is not dependent upon a single individual to flourish.

My friend, in essence you write one part of the post where you cite basic human realities which will entangle and consume an "Islamic state" much as it would a communist state, a capitalist state or a democracy.. and then you come up with a very meek point to negate that. Clearly its not very convincing.. the case is still hollow as it would be on a Hizb-ut-Tahrir site.

 

[Samlee]

Since when does being Secular ie putting religion out of state domain and making it personal, means being a Leftist.
Do you even know what Leftist is?

Since when does being Secular ie putting religion out of state domain and making it personal, means being a Leftist.
Do you even know what Leftist is?

I Know Because Of His Past Posts and My Issue Is With People Who Are Using This As An Excuse to Spew Their Venom Against Islam

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[Asian.Century]

Children who are now Shaheed:

Smallest coffins are the heaviest.

 

[VCheng]

Because there is an underlying reactionary element based on religion, the masses are hooked on the drug. So how do you rehabilitate a drug user? Especially when you cannot use dedicated centres or sober houses?

A simple analogy is getting a smoker to drop his cigarette? What is the most common technique that works? Nicotine patches.. today the new deal is e-cigs.. sure.. the nicotine is still there, but at least the person is not smoking in tar or otherwise.

Not that Islam can be equated on that level, but the idea of fighting fire with fire remains. You kill a forest fire by burning up the immediate greenery in front of it so that the original rolling firestorm runs out of fuel to breed in.

Fair enough, I think I can see your line of reasoning a bit better, but since we are going with medical analogies, all your approaches work with patient participation. This patient is comatose and in the ICU. Now what?

 

[Samlee]

BREAKING NEWS:20 Airstrikes in Tirah Valley.57 Militants Banished to Hell

ALSO:CRACKDOWN LAUNCHED BY RANGERS IN KARACHI 5 TERRORISTS KILLED

THE RETALIATION HAS STARTED

GO GET EM BOYS

https://twitter.com/x/status/545265892628525056

 

[Bratva]

Peshawar school Attack was planned near Pak-Afghan border in early Dec: Report
By Muhammad Irfan
Published: December 17, 2014

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Soldiers walk amidst the debris in an army-run school a day after an attack by Taliban in Peshawar on December 17, 2014. PHOTO: AFP

PESHAWAR: The attack on Army Public School in Peshawar, which took the lives of 141 people including 132 children, had been planned in the first week of December in an area near the Pakistan-Afghanistan border by the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), a police report available with The Express Tribune revealed.

Police’s Counter Terrorism Department Peshawar in its initial investigation report reveals that the attack had been planned during a meeting of the TTP central leadership, headed by TTP chief Mullah Fazlullah along with militants from Bajaur, Mohmand, and Orakzai agencies of FATA in the first week of December.

According to the document, seven suicide bombers were trained for this purpose at Sheen Drang Markaz in Bara, Khyber Agency.

The investigation report identified the seven suicide bombers as Abuzar, Umar, Imran, Yousaf, Uzair, Qari and Chamnay.

Further investigations of the incident are underway.