PDF RULES AND REGULATIONS REVISED (INPUT NEEDED)

[BL33D]

@jaibi Adding [PO] - Personal opinion and [AO] - Authors opinion to the title of a thread, might help the unnecessary fight over ones favorite choice of sources.

 

[blueazure]

What a childish reply. I am not the one who is crying here. Its you and you tag me. See you are those guy who cry for everything and in reality do nothing. You deserve what syed and other do with you.

your buddy @syed1 has been banned thanks to his constant slandering of senior members and galam galoch ( aka container language)


may i remind you that PDF has no place for political engineering . siasat.pk is a better place for your narratives

 

[AZ1]

your buddy @syed1 has been banned thanks to his constant slandering of senior members and galam galoch ( aka container language)


may i remind you that PDF has no place for political engineering . siasat.pk is a better place for your narratives

That let admin, moderator decide you are no body so just keep crying again like you always do and talking about abuse, just see above how you replied to other guy provoking other guy by saying " forum tere baap ka nahi" and now here you are telling me like it belongs to you. I told you earlier and now repeating again, crying wouldn't give you anothing so why dont you find another fake news thread against govt and start your drama there.

 

[fatman17]

FORUM RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR USERS

NOTE: The thinking is that this is a descending list, as you move down the list, the violations become less severe in terms of our awarding of warning points. There are overlaps but each violation has been garnered to leave no room for interpretations to somethings uniquely faced at PDF. Comments would be highly appreciated


PDF Philosophy and vision:

PDF wishes to be a platform for ideas to be discussed openly and in a cordial productive manner. The reason for IDs where you can have a relatively high degree of anonymity is for you to do away with your person and be your ideas. However, that does not mean that the person behind the keyboard ceases to exist and therefore; we have these rules to enforce that environment where ideas can be exchanged, challenged and projected freely.

Ethnic / political / nationalistic hate

Needless to say, PDF wishes to be a productive exchange of ideas and not a place of spreading communal, national, political or religiously motivated hatred. Members found involved in such activities would be severely penalized.

Sectarianism

PDF holds zero tolerance towards any sectarianism. Any material garnered towards inciting sectarianism in any form would be heavily penalized. PDF is not the place to have a dialogue on religious interpretation and anyone using that to create divide and unrest can be permanently banned as well. Please consider that criticizing any government, nation or person independent of bringing sect in is possible.

Religious Discussions

PDF proudly maintains respect for all religions therefore; as PDF is primarily a defense and geopolitical forum, the management feels that, it is not the place for religious discussions. Kindly do not post religious threads nor respond to any and, please, refrain from using religion in arguments. It should be noted that ethnicity is different from religion, Muslims/ Hindu/ Christians are ethnicities and Islam / Hinduism / Christianity are religions. This also includes sectarianism as well; PDF is not the place to have a dialogue on religion. Violation of this rule would be considered serious as it often leads to issues based on religious / communal tensions.

Inciting violence

Any post or thread inciting or encouraging violence would be penalized and if need be all information required would be shared with the appropriate authorities. PDF holds a zero tolerance policy towards such materials.

Special Section: using social issues for inciting ethnic / nationalistic / political hatred

Social issues such as sexual harassment, rape, child molestation or abuse are not to be used to incite ethnic / nationalistic / race inspired hatred nor political point scoring. PDF management would severely penalize any such threads / posts. If you are a good human being, kindly, be an ally of victims and do not abuse victims for your gains.

Racism

PDF is not a platform for spreading racism nor do we condone it. Any such threads / posts / materials would lead to heavy penalization.

Other forms of discrimination

Same goes for ethnic or nationalistic discriminatory views, aimed at stereotyping and berating members belonging to a specific area, country, religious, ethnic group

Sexism

There would be no tolerance for any threads / posts aimed at spreading sexism (berating / inciting / discriminatory behavior based on a person’s gender identity ). Such materials are not allowed at PDF

Inciting criminal activity

Any thread / post aimed at inciting or encouraging any activity deemed as a criminal offence would not be tolerated at PDF. (exceptions: political dissidents).

Spreading fake news

In today’s era, dubious or doubtful sources are being used by interest groups to twist perceptions of people usually for nefarious means. This is not allowed at PDF. Before you post, kindly, check the source yourself, a good practice is to verify the news from multiple sources before posting it on the site. If you are posting your personal opinion or the opinion of another person then clearly state it to be so, credit the original content. Do not masquerade opinions for news.

Threatening other members

Threatening other members is not at all allowed at PDF. We’re in the process of recording the IPs of such members and would be kept in record if there may be a need for the legal set up to be involved. There are laws covering your activity and PDF would fully cooperate with the authorities in any such incident.

Individual Harassment

Kindly do not ruin PDF for other members; such behavior includes following a member around PDF and replying their posts with harassing content such as thinly veiled threats or passive aggressive behavior or making the member feel as if they are being harassed. Such accusations would be investigated and would result in a ban. Moreover, kindly, do not share personal information about any member on PDF. We are a public forum, nor attempt to garner such information using PDF

Trolling

Any content or response given with the intent of simply antagonizing people (such as a particular group e.g. Pakistanis, Muslims, Christians, Women, Hindus, Indians, Africans et/.,) or a particular individual in order to garner a negative emotional response is considered trolling. More generally, essentially trolling is bullying online where by either a person is subjected to denial of opportunity to speak or making them feel very bad or inflaming them to be upset only. It is understood that during dialogues on sensitive issues there would be some words considered offensive but as long as it is not generalized to justify discrimination or packaged as a personal attack then that is acceptable because the spirit of the exchange is reflection or sharing of an opinion. Responding to trolling is deemed as ‘feeding the trolls’ and would be considered trolling too. It is not justifiable to respond to trolling with trolling and would also be addressed.

Trolling is a widespread problem and user’s postage history would be taken into account. Repeated offenders may face a permanent ban and trolling is taken seriously at PDF. Kindly, it does not help anyone and causes a ruining of the decorum therefore, would be dealt with appropriately.

Flaming / baiting

A special form of trolling whereby, threads or posts aimed at inciting an individual or group of people to be emotionally charged and incite fighting are not allowed. PDF is especially against using such posts or threads to incite hatred against politically belligerent nations or group of people e.g. Indians, Pakistanis or Saudis, Iranians etc. This would only add fuel to the flames. That’s not what PDF stands for.

Propaganda

Sometimes the news sources are being used to spread propaganda : weaponized information aimed at achieving a certain political goal. Usually this is to incriminate hatred amongst groups of people or vilify them. PDF does not believe in aiding the spread of propaganda, that does not mean that PDF is closed to discussions about such pieces. When you are to post such pieces of information for the sake of discussion or clarification, kindly clearly state so in your post otherwise it would be treated as aiding the spread of propaganda and would result in penalization.

Indoctrination

Sharing of information garnered at indoctrination of the public are not allowed. That includes political / religious / ethnic indoctrination are not allowed at PDF and would be penalized.

Political name calling

Using politically degrading names are not what PDF stands for and this applies for every country. PDF is politically neutral.

Political campaigning

You are encouraged to engage in political debates as well as project your own views about the political philosophy that you hold. However, PDF is not a platform for garnering political capital such as votes. Such threads or posts would be penalized. That doesn’t mean that you do not project your views or encourage others to vote, voicing your opinion as to who, in your view, should get to be in power. However, running political ads on behalf of political parties and hijacking the platform/ threads/ posts is not what PDF is for.

Personal attacks

Do not attack any individual nor use any abusive language towards their ethnic / national / religious identity for any purpose.

Profanity

Please, try to be courteous as you would be in public. This is a public forum and there are real people behind the keyboard. Therefore, kindly refrain from using curse words or offensive words to a particular group such as, Youthia or Gangu or Noora along with racially charged slurs as well. This would result in penalization. This is for the general decorum of the forum.

Promotion of a business

PDF is meant for intellectual discussions and not business promotions. In case you have such an idea where you think it would be productive then kindly contact at email address: contact@defence.pk before making any such threads/ posts.

Impersonating / multiple accounts

Everyone on PDF is allowed one account; usage of multiple IDs or impersonation of any user for any purposes would result in a ban. Users are requested to contact the management in case of dual accounts may be used in order to not be penalized for multiple accounts.

Spamming

Repeated messages either nonsensical or intended to scam people would ensue a permanent ban. Posts of business promotion would be considered spamming unless the senior management has been informed before postage.

Commenting on Management decisions

Any protest or questions on management decisions should be done at the GHQ section or via communication to contact@defence.pk email.

Photos and Videos

Please, try to share multimedia covered by creative commons or those in public domain. Sharing copyrighted materials should be with consideration to copyright laws. Violation of this rule may result in moderation or further actions. Always credit the original poster with permission to resupply.

Off-Topic Posts

Anything that does not add value to the discussion being had or does not say anything about the thread may be liable for deletion and repeated violations may result in penalization. Please, do know that going into tangents is encouraged (something related to the thread, such as discussing a conflict economically rather than militarily) but off-topic derailment is not encouraged (bringing in social issues in order to derail a thread about geopolitics, for instance).

Sharing explicit/ graphic content

Any material showing gore/after effects of violence/ graphic things or adult material (pornography) is strictly not allowed on PDF. Please, share only images / content which is considered safe for work (SFW) as a general guideline.

Wish you all the Best!

 

[fatman17]

Better appoint someone who is an expert in religious affairs.

 

[The Eagle]

Yeah we are troll and people like you who dont want to pay tax and when we ask pay your taxes so that country can develop rather than complain look this happened and that happened you ran away and asking for shelters.

PTI is the only pro establishment party around. So just get lost.

f



forum tumharey baap ka nahi hai

na ye container hai jahan sab ko galiyan baki jaeen

kabhi samne aao to bataoon ga, internet pe chore hote ho,




meray paisey

meri marzi


NO TAX to IMF govt


ab jao container pe charh jao , shabash

This is not the place to settle political differences that too like this. In-fact such provocative posts will be treated accordingly.

He also comes with some Really good posts as well, keeps a balance...
His posts definitely are satire and sarcastic, which is actually a good mix to the convo, yeah off topic as well, but i would like to see him back here, Mods and Administration.

Regards

In-fact, member in question can reach GHQ for redressal but I have to say that, you have no idea how it begins. Sarcastic posts are the worst kind of conversation on a serious topic. There is no good mix of derailing & then being satire. Let the Team handle such issues to maintain quality as well as the decorum. You can't see the deleted garbage. It only takes one liner post as such to damage everything.

Members should understand that let the Moderation Team handle such affairs.

Regards,

 

[S.Y.A]

Better appoint someone who is an expert in religious affairs.

who will define what a religious expert is?
simpler to end all religious discussion, or delete threads like the one posted by Critical thought above. everyone has different interpretations, some hard line, some moderate, and some liberal. so, better to delete any thread that may lead towards fights(like ones for or against blasphemy laws, prohibition/allowance of wine, making fun of madaris or masajid etc.).

 

[jaibi]

That's a very good idea, thank you!

@jaibi Adding [PO] - Personal opinion and [AO] - Authors opinion to the title of a thread, might help the unnecessary fight over ones favorite choice of sources.

People aren't clear as to what 'flaming / baiting' is. I've talked to a lot of users here and many times they don't think it's so. The text specifies using examples and we don't want any confusions being used. As you've seen some error I'd request that you please suggest the text for the rule.

"Flaming / baiting

A special form of trolling whereby, threads or posts aimed at inciting an individual or group of people to be emotionally charged and incite fighting are not allowed. PDF is especially against using such posts or threads to incite hatred against politically belligerent nations or group of people e.g. Indians, Pakistanis or Saudis, Iranians etc. This would only add fuel to the flames. That’s not what PDF stands for."

My personal favourite. The clause discouraging flame baiting is itself flame baiting four named nationalities (and etc!). Change the text here to better reflect what you are trying to say.

PDF isn't a religious forum. Please, ask @WebMaster for this suggestion, sir, it's above my authority here though personally I think allowing religious discussions would bring the site down because people become too emotional about it. Unfortunately, that's not my just my opinion but the ground reality. Look at this post, as an example, everyone knows that the management is here but they can't help but sling mud at each other over political opinions (PTI vs PML-N posts) you expect that they'd handle religious discussions?

@jaibi this is what I meant about disallowing religious discussion:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/disg...aturalize-homosexuality-among-muslims.655926/

By locking this thread, you are taking away our right as Muslims to lambaste the people that are denigrating our religion. You will be selectively promoting an irreligious agenda if you exclude religion from discussion, while allowing social issues to be discussed in general.

And while we are on the topic, what if someone was to post Nara-e-Takbeer Allahu Akbar to celebrate a success of Pakistan or Muslims? Is that also disallowed?



Heartily agree.

Perform a survey of reputable English language forums. See what is the norm in terms of grammar, spelling, formatting. As a forum accessible to the entire world, you should expect people to view your forum though the same lens.

The main problem isn't that we have a lot of ethnic speakers on the forum. The main problem is lack of self-respect, and lack of initiative.

 

[H. Dawary]

FORUM RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR USERS

NOTE: The thinking is that this is a descending list, as you move down the list, the violations become less severe in terms of our awarding of warning points. There are overlaps but each violation has been garnered to leave no room for interpretations to somethings uniquely faced at PDF. Comments would be highly appreciated


PDF Philosophy and vision:

PDF wishes to be a platform for ideas to be discussed openly and in a cordial productive manner. The reason for IDs where you can have a relatively high degree of anonymity is for you to do away with your person and be your ideas. However, that does not mean that the person behind the keyboard ceases to exist and therefore; we have these rules to enforce that environment where ideas can be exchanged, challenged and projected freely.

Ethnic / political / nationalistic hate

Needless to say, PDF wishes to be a productive exchange of ideas and not a place of spreading communal, national, political or religiously motivated hatred. Members found involved in such activities would be severely penalized.

Sectarianism

PDF holds zero tolerance towards any sectarianism. Any material garnered towards inciting sectarianism in any form would be heavily penalized. PDF is not the place to have a dialogue on religious interpretation and anyone using that to create divide and unrest can be permanently banned as well. Please consider that criticizing any government, nation or person independent of bringing sect in is possible.

Religious Discussions

PDF proudly maintains respect for all religions therefore; as PDF is primarily a defense and geopolitical forum, the management feels that, it is not the place for religious discussions. Kindly do not post religious threads nor respond to any and, please, refrain from using religion in arguments. It should be noted that ethnicity is different from religion, Muslims/ Hindu/ Christians are ethnicities and Islam / Hinduism / Christianity are religions. This also includes sectarianism as well; PDF is not the place to have a dialogue on religion. Violation of this rule would be considered serious as it often leads to issues based on religious / communal tensions.

Inciting violence

Any post or thread inciting or encouraging violence would be penalized and if need be all information required would be shared with the appropriate authorities. PDF holds a zero tolerance policy towards such materials.

Special Section: using social issues for inciting ethnic / nationalistic / political hatred

Social issues such as sexual harassment, rape, child molestation or abuse are not to be used to incite ethnic / nationalistic / race inspired hatred nor political point scoring. PDF management would severely penalize any such threads / posts. If you are a good human being, kindly, be an ally of victims and do not abuse victims for your gains.

Racism

PDF is not a platform for spreading racism nor do we condone it. Any such threads / posts / materials would lead to heavy penalization.

Other forms of discrimination

Same goes for ethnic or nationalistic discriminatory views, aimed at stereotyping and berating members belonging to a specific area, country, religious, ethnic group

Sexism

There would be no tolerance for any threads / posts aimed at spreading sexism (berating / inciting / discriminatory behavior based on a person’s gender identity ). Such materials are not allowed at PDF

Inciting criminal activity

Any thread / post aimed at inciting or encouraging any activity deemed as a criminal offence would not be tolerated at PDF. (exceptions: political dissidents).

Spreading fake news

In today’s era, dubious or doubtful sources are being used by interest groups to twist perceptions of people usually for nefarious means. This is not allowed at PDF. Before you post, kindly, check the source yourself, a good practice is to verify the news from multiple sources before posting it on the site. If you are posting your personal opinion or the opinion of another person then clearly state it to be so, credit the original content. Do not masquerade opinions for news.

Threatening other members

Threatening other members is not at all allowed at PDF. We’re in the process of recording the IPs of such members and would be kept in record if there may be a need for the legal set up to be involved. There are laws covering your activity and PDF would fully cooperate with the authorities in any such incident.

Individual Harassment

Kindly do not ruin PDF for other members; such behavior includes following a member around PDF and replying their posts with harassing content such as thinly veiled threats or passive aggressive behavior or making the member feel as if they are being harassed. Such accusations would be investigated and would result in a ban. Moreover, kindly, do not share personal information about any member on PDF. We are a public forum, nor attempt to garner such information using PDF

Trolling

Any content or response given with the intent of simply antagonizing people (such as a particular group e.g. Pakistanis, Muslims, Christians, Women, Hindus, Indians, Africans et/.,) or a particular individual in order to garner a negative emotional response is considered trolling. More generally, essentially trolling is bullying online where by either a person is subjected to denial of opportunity to speak or making them feel very bad or inflaming them to be upset only. It is understood that during dialogues on sensitive issues there would be some words considered offensive but as long as it is not generalized to justify discrimination or packaged as a personal attack then that is acceptable because the spirit of the exchange is reflection or sharing of an opinion. Responding to trolling is deemed as ‘feeding the trolls’ and would be considered trolling too. It is not justifiable to respond to trolling with trolling and would also be addressed.

Trolling is a widespread problem and user’s postage history would be taken into account. Repeated offenders may face a permanent ban and trolling is taken seriously at PDF. Kindly, it does not help anyone and causes a ruining of the decorum therefore, would be dealt with appropriately.

Flaming / baiting

A special form of trolling whereby, threads or posts aimed at inciting an individual or group of people to be emotionally charged and incite fighting are not allowed. PDF is especially against using such posts or threads to incite hatred against politically belligerent nations or group of people e.g. Indians, Pakistanis or Saudis, Iranians etc. This would only add fuel to the flames. That’s not what PDF stands for.

Propaganda

Sometimes the news sources are being used to spread propaganda : weaponized information aimed at achieving a certain political goal. Usually this is to incriminate hatred amongst groups of people or vilify them. PDF does not believe in aiding the spread of propaganda, that does not mean that PDF is closed to discussions about such pieces. When you are to post such pieces of information for the sake of discussion or clarification, kindly clearly state so in your post otherwise it would be treated as aiding the spread of propaganda and would result in penalization.

Indoctrination

Sharing of information garnered at indoctrination of the public are not allowed. That includes political / religious / ethnic indoctrination are not allowed at PDF and would be penalized.

Political name calling

Using politically degrading names are not what PDF stands for and this applies for every country. PDF is politically neutral.

Political campaigning

You are encouraged to engage in political debates as well as project your own views about the political philosophy that you hold. However, PDF is not a platform for garnering political capital such as votes. Such threads or posts would be penalized. That doesn’t mean that you do not project your views or encourage others to vote, voicing your opinion as to who, in your view, should get to be in power. However, running political ads on behalf of political parties and hijacking the platform/ threads/ posts is not what PDF is for.

Personal attacks

Do not attack any individual nor use any abusive language towards their ethnic / national / religious identity for any purpose.

Profanity

Please, try to be courteous as you would be in public. This is a public forum and there are real people behind the keyboard. Therefore, kindly refrain from using curse words or offensive words to a particular group such as, Youthia or Gangu or Noora along with racially charged slurs as well. This would result in penalization. This is for the general decorum of the forum.

Promotion of a business

PDF is meant for intellectual discussions and not business promotions. In case you have such an idea where you think it would be productive then kindly contact at email address: contact@defence.pk before making any such threads/ posts.

Impersonating / multiple accounts

Everyone on PDF is allowed one account; usage of multiple IDs or impersonation of any user for any purposes would result in a ban. Users are requested to contact the management in case of dual accounts may be used in order to not be penalized for multiple accounts.

Spamming

Repeated messages either nonsensical or intended to scam people would ensue a permanent ban. Posts of business promotion would be considered spamming unless the senior management has been informed before postage.

Commenting on Management decisions

Any protest or questions on management decisions should be done at the GHQ section or via communication to contact@defence.pk email.

Photos and Videos

Please, try to share multimedia covered by creative commons or those in public domain. Sharing copyrighted materials should be with consideration to copyright laws. Violation of this rule may result in moderation or further actions. Always credit the original poster with permission to resupply.

Off-Topic Posts

Anything that does not add value to the discussion being had or does not say anything about the thread may be liable for deletion and repeated violations may result in penalization. Please, do know that going into tangents is encouraged (something related to the thread, such as discussing a conflict economically rather than militarily) but off-topic derailment is not encouraged (bringing in social issues in order to derail a thread about geopolitics, for instance).

Sharing explicit/ graphic content

Any material showing gore/after effects of violence/ graphic things or adult material (pornography) is strictly not allowed on PDF. Please, share only images / content which is considered safe for work (SFW) as a general guideline.

How about if you find a user with two IDs? I have an idea of one particular user, whose one account is banned, but is using the second account. I wouldn't want to throw accusations, but I have a very strong suspicion.

 

[jaibi]

Please make a thread in GHQ and tag @WebMaster too, please. Multiple IDs is still not OK.

How about if you find a user with two IDs? I have an idea of one particular user, whose one account is banned, but is using the second account. I wouldn't want to throw accusations, but I have a very strong suspicion.

 

[WebMaster]

How about if you find a user with two IDs? I have an idea of one particular user, whose one account is banned, but is using the second account. I wouldn't want to throw accusations, but I have a very strong suspicion.

When suspicious create a thread in GhQ so we do the trace and ban the culprits

 

[StormBreaker]

This is not the place to settle political differences that too like this. In-fact such provocative posts will be treated accordingly.



In-fact, member in question can reach GHQ for redressal but I have to say that, you have no idea how it begins. Sarcastic posts are the worst kind of conversation on a serious topic. There is no good mix of derailing & then being satire. Let the Team handle such issues to maintain quality as well as the decorum. You can't see the deleted garbage. It only takes one liner post as such to damage everything.

Members should understand that let the Moderation Team handle such affairs.

Regards,

I do agree, most people are emotional/simple, can’t see the sarcasm behind a deep statement, instead the thread gets derailed

 

[Tps43]

This is not the place to settle political differences that too like this. In-fact such provocative posts will be treated accordingly.



In-fact, member in question can reach GHQ for redressal but I have to say that, you have no idea how it begins. Sarcastic posts are the worst kind of conversation on a serious topic. There is no good mix of derailing & then being satire. Let the Team handle such issues to maintain quality as well as the decorum. You can't see the deleted garbage. It only takes one liner post as such to damage everything.

Members should understand that let the Moderation Team handle such affairs.

Regards,

@The Eagle @Retired Troll is a very intelligent and upright member issue is how the admin team can manage him , he can be a very great asset for PDF , he can be a counter troll to all those troll who understand only single tone of trolling , He is very resourceful as well . What need to be done is how can PDF takes his help and insight instead of banning him immediately , likewise I would say if he has any questions or queries in GHQ must be addressed.

 

[The Eagle]

@The Eagle @Retired Troll is a very intelligent and upright member issue is how the admin team can manage him , he can be a very great asset for PDF , he can be a counter troll to all those troll who understand only single tone of trolling , He is very resourceful as well . What need to be done is how can PDF takes his help and insight instead of banning him immediately , likewise I would say if he has any questions or queries in GHQ must be addressed.

Brother, I can understand that and in fact every member is an asset. I was the one who stopped him Long ago and not to leave forum. What's he or any troll thinks that warnings are mere fun. We are all grown adults and such attitude isn't tolerable like for long. You can't see those deleted posts which ultimately results in total opposites to the topic hence, mostly locked for heading nowhere. This is the only issue, as I can see. How many grievances be addressed when a person doesn't realize on the first reminder even length of warnings and instead takes courtesy for granted. He can tell when stopped him from leaving and now he is just about to make me regret it.

By the way, he isn't ban permanently but took a hit of fraction for the last violation.

 

[StormBreaker]

@The Eagle @Retired Troll is a very intelligent and upright member issue is how the admin team can manage him , he can be a very great asset for PDF , he can be a counter troll to all those troll who understand only single tone of trolling , He is very resourceful as well . What need to be done is how can PDF takes his help and insight instead of banning him immediately , likewise I would say if he has any questions or queries in GHQ must be addressed.

Indeed, He is a Gem, Bored of the usual PDF discussions, Come out with his brains when the topic really demands the best. Else he just plays with everyone to keep the environment calm.

I would love to see him back here, And the concerns of Management should be addressed as well regarding the derailing. Sometimes, derailing is unneeded for...