PAT- Dr. Tahir-Ul-Qadri's Political Desk

[Emmie]

I beg to differ, no major party wants elections within 90 days of care taker govt. -

PPP - They know people are pissed of right now and they will lose, prolong care taker will give Zardari chance for re-election
PMLN - People are pissed of their Noora Kushti & corruption - southern punjab is angry because khadam-e-alla is spending all funds in lahore.
MQM - They just have habbit to remain in power.
PMLQ - By supporting PPP, they are not at good position either.
There is also rumors that Musharaf is coming back to participate in election and surely he also needs time

So, they all need time to get settled and this drama is surely have backing of west. Anyway, Let's see how things unfold and hope for best.

It's not about 90 days it's about delay till next year. Lets talk about PPP and PMLN, as others are either dependent or want elections on time.

* PPP, under normal circumstances, can afford the gap of more than 3 months but can not afford a gap of a year or so as you're suggesting. Zardari will be completing his tenure this year and he can not be re-elected by unelected interim government, for re-elections he needs his electoral college in house before his retirement which of course can only be achieved through general elections. Another aspect that in fact is of great importance is that PPP would lose presidency's benedictions in elections if elections are held after the retirement of the president. Useless for PPP to go into the elections without the support from presidency. Now, in the current scenario where Qadri is paving way for established to play I doubt PPP would take any risk, if they lose centre to establishment they lose Sindh too. Both the establishment and PPP don't really get along with each other, no possibility of reconciliation if things get worsen.

* IMO, results for PMLN won't be different even if they opt for delay in elections, even a gap of years can't fix the damage that the party is having, IK ain't going to leave what he has achieved. Indefinite delay (a delay beyond the completion of the projects) also means more time for PPP to organise in Punjab, they can't afford a blow from PPP too. May be under normal circumstances they won't mind a slight delay but the delay Qadri is referring to is too hard to gulp for them. Anything that effects PPP also effects PMLN at least on the page of democracy.

Mushi! Until CJ is in office Mushi can't dare to come to Pakistan. CJ is last one to go, Zardari and Kayani will retire before CJ. Wiase nobody is going to wait for him, not even Army.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

PPP - They know people are pissed of right now and they will lose, prolong care taker will give Zardari chance for re-election
PMLN - People are pissed of their Noora Kushti & corruption - southern punjab is angry because khadam-e-alla is spending all funds in lahore.
MQM - They just have habbit to remain in power.
PMLQ - By supporting PPP, they are not at good position either.

BTW - Aik post kay kitnay paisay miltay hain?

PPP have intact voters. Still 60+ Confirm seats from all provinces.
Same thing for MQM.

 

[batmannow]

You're welcome, I think I'm always asking things nicely. However, can you tell me what you know about Qadri except his religious believes? Personally I don't know anything about him. He's a religious figure and that's all we know about him, so we can only judge him from what he's best known to common people. If he's leader of Minhaj ul Quran Foundation, a religious scholar, and a Sheikh ul Islam, then this is why people in Pakistan are following him since 80's. Please tell me do you agree with this or not?

Now if you agree with above part, then plz tell me in your views, whether his religious affairs are correct or not? If you say they are correct, then this discussion between you and me ends here. And if you say his religious affairs are wrong, then tell me why a person like me should follow what Qadri say about anything when I know he's a big liar and a fraud??

To me, lying about religion, distorting it, make people fool via religion are considered worst things as compared to corruption muk-muka other politicians are doing. Nawaz, Zardari and others are different stories, everyone knows who they are and they aren't claiming themselves as Sheikh ul Islam or Allama or bla bla bla while this person does so.

 

[batmannow]

It's not about 90 days it's about delay till next year. Lets talk about PPP and PMLN, as others are either dependent or want elections on time.

* PPP, under normal circumstances, can afford the gap of more than 3 months but can not afford a gap of a year or so as you're suggesting. Zardari will be completing his tenure this year and he can not be re-elected by unelected interim government, for re-elections he needs his electoral college in house before his retirement which of course can only be achieved through general elections. Another aspect that in fact is of great importance is that PPP would lose presidency's benedictions in elections if elections are held after the retirement of the president. Useless for PPP to go into the elections without the support from presidency. Now, in the current scenario where Qadri is paving way for established to play I doubt PPP would take any risk, if they lose centre to establishment they lose Sindh too. Both the establishment and PPP don't really get along with each other, no possibility of reconciliation if things get worsen.

* IMO, results for PMLN won't be different even if they opt for delay in elections, even a gap of years can't fix the damage that the party is having, IK ain't going to leave what he has achieved. Indefinite delay (a delay beyond the completion of the projects) also means more time for PPP to organise in Punjab, they can't afford a blow from PPP too. May be under normal circumstances they won't mind a slight delay but the delay Qadri is referring to is too hard to gulp for them. Anything that effects PPP also effects PMLN at least on the page of democracy.

Mushi! Until CJ is in office Mushi can't dare to come to Pakistan. CJ is last one to go, Zardari and Kayani will retire before CJ. Wiase nobody is going to wait for him, not even Army.

 

[batmannow]

It's not about 90 days it's about delay till next year. Lets talk about PPP and PMLN, as others are either dependent or want elections on time.

* PPP, under normal circumstances, can afford the gap of more than 3 months but can not afford a gap of a year or so as you're suggesting. Zardari will be completing his tenure this year and he can not be re-elected by unelected interim government, for re-elections he needs his electoral college in house before his retirement which of course can only be achieved through general elections. Another aspect that in fact is of great importance is that PPP would lose presidency's benedictions in elections if elections are held after the retirement of the president. Useless for PPP to go into the elections without the support from presidency. Now, in the current scenario where Qadri is paving way for established to play I doubt PPP would take any risk, if they lose centre to establishment they lose Sindh too. Both the establishment and PPP don't really get along with each other, no possibility of reconciliation if things get worsen.

* IMO, results for PMLN won't be different even if they opt for delay in elections, even a gap of years can't fix the damage that the party is having, IK ain't going to leave what he has achieved. Indefinite delay (a delay beyond the completion of the projects) also means more time for PPP to organise in Punjab, they can't afford a blow from PPP too. May be under normal circumstances they won't mind a slight delay but the delay Qadri is referring to is too hard to gulp for them. Anything that effects PPP also effects PMLN at least on the page of democracy.

Mushi! Until CJ is in office Mushi can't dare to come to Pakistan. CJ is last one to go, Zardari and Kayani will retire before CJ. Wiase nobody is going to wait for him, not even Army.

listen what another conspiracy theory is saying!

 

[Sugarcane]

It's not about 90 days it's about delay till next year. Lets talk about PPP and PMLN, as others are either dependent or want elections on time.

* PPP, under normal circumstances, can afford the gap of more than 3 months but can not afford a gap of a year or so as you're suggesting. Zardari will be completing his tenure this year and he can not be re-elected by unelected interim government, for re-elections he needs his electoral college in house before his retirement which of course can only be achieved through general elections. Another aspect that in fact is of great importance is that PPP would lose presidency's benedictions in elections if elections are held after the retirement of the president. Useless for PPP to go into the elections without the support from presidency. Now, in the current scenario where Qadri is paving way for established to play I doubt PPP would take any risk, if they lose centre to establishment they lose Sindh too. Both the establishment and PPP don't really get along with each other, no possibility of reconciliation if things get worsen.

* IMO, results for PMLN won't be different even if they opt for delay in elections, even a gap of years can't fix the damage that the party is having, IK ain't going to leave what he has achieved. Indefinite delay (a delay beyond the completion of the projects) also means more time for PPP to organise in Punjab, they can't afford a blow from PPP too. May be under normal circumstances they won't mind a slight delay but the delay Qadri is referring to is too hard to gulp for them. Anything that effects PPP also effects PMLN at least on the page of democracy.

Mushi! Until CJ is in office Mushi can't dare to come to Pakistan. CJ is last one to go, Zardari and Kayani will retire before CJ. Wiase nobody is going to wait for him, not even Army.

PMLN + PPP wanna delay it till end of this year not more than that. PPP simple want to buy some time, plus Bilwal around oct, nov will be eligible to contest election. PMLN is weak as of now, specially in southern Punjab but are confused about Qibla's intentions. MQM+PMLQ are happy with any setup if their nominees are part of care taker setup. PTI has ran massive campaigns and is hopeful to form government and it looks like they will succeed. So, they can't afford any delay. IK will be fool to let TuQ hijack his hard earn support and will not support - but he wants fair elections as they can't compete rigging. So, I think experienced politicians (PPP, PMLQ, PMLN, MQM) will try to stuck deal which will be bad. However - Qibla's plan to become mursi is not gonna come true.

PS: What constitution say about President's term getting over and there is no elected parliament? That will be interested to know and guess PPP's move.

 

[Emmie]

PPP have intact voters. Still 60+ Confirm seats from all provinces.
Same thing for MQM.

No mate, that's misapprehension, 60+ figure is implausible. Vote bank without significant external input doesn't get you seats. In Sindh, yeah, they have vote bank but that vote bank earns them seats because they don't have strong competitors in arena. In Sanghar, PPP is almost nil because of functional league..

Arrange free and fair elections in Karachi and see vote bank of MQM for yourself..

 

[Sugarcane]

PPP have intact voters. Still 60+ Confirm seats from all provinces.
Same thing for MQM.

MQM -- Yes
PPP -- No

 

[Emmie]

PMLN + PPP wanna delay it till end of this year not more than that. PPP simple want to buy some time, plus Bilwal around oct, nov will be eligible to contest election. PMLN is weak as of now, specially in southern Punjab but are confused about Qibla's intentions. MQM+PMLQ are happy with any setup if their nominees are part of care taker setup. PTI has ran massive campaigns and is hopeful to form government and it looks like they will succeed. So, they can't afford any delay. IK will be fool to let TuQ hijack his hard earn support and will not support - but he wants fair elections as they can't compete rigging. So, I think experienced politicians (PPP, PMLQ, PMLN, MQM) will try to stuck deal which will be bad. However - Qibla's plan to become mursi is not gonna come true.

Agree with everything except PPP point of view, Bilawal can join the feast later... Many will be more than happy to sacrifice their seats for Bilawal.

Qibla ke sari zamanatien zabt hone wali hein, bus thora see aur intezar...

 

[Sugarcane]

No mate, that's misapprehension, 60+ figure is implausible. Vote bank without significant external input doesn't get you seats. In Sindh, yeah, they have vote bank but that vote bank earns them seats because they don't have strong competitors in arena. In Sanghar, PPP is almost nil because of functional league..

Arrange free and fair elections in Karachi and see vote bank of MQM for yourself..

We can't have fair election in Karachi at-least this time.

 

[Emmie]

MQM -- Yes
PPP -- No

Sir inverse is more true...

We can't have fair election in Karachi at-least this time.

That's the reason why MQM have a vote bank...

 

[Sugarcane]

Agree with everything except PPP point of view, Bilawal can join the feast later... Many will be more than happy to sacrifice their seats for Bilawal.

Qibla ke sari zamanatien zabt hone wali hein, bus thora see aur intezar...

But PPP's whole politics is based on Bhuto, aur tu un kay pas kuch nahi hai

Sir inverse is more true....

I said that in current scenario where fair election is not possible in Karachi and last delimitation was in favor of Karachi. So, unless these two are addressed - Humans or Ghosts MQM has votes.

 

[Emmie]

But PPP's whole politics is based on Bhuto, aur tu un kay pas kuch nahi hai

Yeah, PPP means Bhutto, Bhutto ka he raag alaptay hein har jagah... Bilawal Zardari cum Bhutto is all available now, he is ready to be cashed. They need him as a mascot, not as a leader at least at this point in time...

 

[batmannow]

No mate, that's misapprehension, 60+ figure is implausible. Vote bank without significant external input doesn't get you seats. In Sindh, yeah, they have vote bank but that vote bank earns them seats because they don't have strong competitors in arena. In Sanghar, PPP is almost nil because of functional league..

Arrange free and fair elections in Karachi and see vote bank of MQM for yourself..

Arrange free and fair elections in Karachi and see vote bank of PMLn, PPP, & ANP TOO!
ITS SAME ALLOVER PAKISTAN, thats why buy-election of punjab & rural sind still stands as a eye opener?

 

[batmannow]

But PPP's whole politics is based on Bhuto, aur tu un kay pas kuch nahi hai



I said that in current scenario where fair election is not possible in Karachi and last delimitation was in favor of Karachi. So, unless these two are addressed - Humans or Ghosts MQM has votes.

ECP faces another challenge

ECP faces another challenge - thenews.com.pk
Ansar Abbasi
Friday, January 04, 2013
From Print Edition


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ISLAMABAD: While parliament, the opposition parties and other stakeholders have turned their blind eye to the thousands of appointments being made by the present government in important government department, the lone fighter in the civil service, Anita Turab, has approached the Chief Election Commissioner to take notice of what she called “recruitment in government as part of electioneering”.

Now the pressure is on Chief Election Commissioner Fakhruddin Ebrahim to respond to this unprecedented initiative taken by a young woman officer, who has already outshone everyone in the bureaucracy by fighting for the depoliticisation and revival of integrity and morality in the civilian bureaucracy.

Without mincing any words and daring to challenge the powerful and the mighty in the present political set-up, Anita Turab asked the chief election commissioner that since the incumbent government has already begun campaigning for the elections of 2013, the Election Commission may kindly issue orders banning further wide-scale employment, both temporary and permanent or otherwise, across provincial and federal government departments.

“Appointments in government departments should not be on a political basis at any time, and certainly not prior to an election,” she wrote in a written request to the chief election commissioner.

Anita Turab was the only civil servant in Pakistan who had protested against the Waheeda Shah slapping case and approached the apex court. In a crowd of three million government servants, she has yet again been the lone fighter who had recently won in the apex court a remarkable case where the SC has secured the tenure of government servants.

Anita’s letter to the CEC reads: “The federal government has advertised in the press for thousands of positions in government ministries and attached departments of which 8,816 are in the Ministry of Interior itself and its attached departments.

The present government had banned all permanent appointments in government departments in the last five years on the basis of financial austerity and economic crunch.In reality, however, many individuals were employed on contracts, usually in violation of prescribed rules and regulations.

The government comprises employees who are supposed to be hired on the basis of merit in order to maintain minimum standards of good governance. By failing to so hire, not only does this increase the burden on the exchequer and compromises the quality of officers and functioning of government departments where such appointments are made but it also erodes the morale of civil servants who have worked diligently for their positions.

Furthermore, and pertinent to the Election Commission, it is unethical that an incumbent government can abuse the process of hiring personnel as a gratuitous tool, using tax payers’ money, for its own political advancement as part of election campaign.

Accordingly, it is requested that since the incumbent government has already begun campaigning for Elections 2013, the Election Commission may kindly issue orders banning further wide-scale employment, both temporary and permanent or otherwise, across provincial and federal government departments.Appointments in government departments should not be on a political basis at any time, and certainly not prior to an election.”