Pastor plans to burn effigy of Prophet of Islam

[Bilal Akhtar]

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[senselesstalk]

Humans being were better uncivilized, uneducated with no culture and urbanization. Just looking after their daily needs. At least they wouldn't have been doing these type of stupid acts like burning books, bombing statues...

 

[ephone]

Bush also said, even without WMD, getting rid of Sadam only has served the purposed of invading Iraq.

About those terrorists in prison, well, they deserved to rot there. As far as for Bin Laden, you should blame him who brings the disaster to Afghanistan. In addition, you should blame Taliban to harbor them. U.S. has asked Taliban to give him up but Taliban was so stupid then. Well, they get what they deserved and lived in those shxt holes now.

About innocent people died, well, war has its collateral damages. I did not see you get that emotional when several thousand people died in U.S. as result of the 9/11 attack. I did not see you denounced Bin Laden and his associates. Those bastards deserved to rot in hell.

From what you have written, you are really NOT that far from the minds of those terrorists. I hope CIA, Mossad are taking notes. If you happen to be in the west, get out quickly and go back to your shxt hole. Otherwise, you probably will be in that gizmo prison quite soon. Well, there is no need to bring your holy book since those guards do not give a damn about your book. In case you blow yourself up somewhere as a suicide bomber, enjoy your time burning in hell.

Well, Bin Laden did strike U.S. and cause great damage. However, look at what happened later? Two countries was ruined as a result of his terrorist attack. Do muslim countries benefit anything from what he has done???

He singlehandedly dragged the whole muslim world closer to hell.

Iraq: get rid of sadam. [blame sadam] i thought it was WMDs? and in return bomb the hell of a normal country which thnks to MAJORITY christian country is now a failed state n a safe heaven of al qaeda.

Ladan was saudi n u to get just 1 guy u killed ????

Do u know how many innocents were also released after years of detension,torture,... Holy Quran etc were also disrespected there.

And how many of such cases were never reported?
Gangrapes,killings,boming etc......... ?

How many of the soldiers were given death sentences or serious punishment?


Was the state responsible for a few such cases?

More thn 2500 innocent ppl includin kids,women n old ppl have died....... was their blood cheap.


Ignorance is a blessing for u.

No wonder ur kid osama bombed twin towers n ur still in deep shyt with coffins frm iraq,afghanistan comin home everyday.............. u sick...

 

[ephone]

First, with shallow minds muslim worlds current have, your dream back to glory is really impossible.

You see, today Christian faith has dominated the world politically, militarily and economically. Its influence has been way more far-reaching than islam has ever dreamed of. However, we still see tons of jokes against Popes, religious leaders as well Jesus Christ. Nobody give a damn when such jokes are on TV, newspapers or Cartoons. Nobody made threat to kill another one simply because of a joke, a cartoon or etc.

It has nothing to do with power. It is related to how open-minded you are.

Even when islam had its glory, it has never been a dominating culture throughout history. most of China, Russia, Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Cambodia, Sri Lanka, Myanmar, a large part of Europe, the whole American continent, Australia and etc was pretty much immune to your religion. Your ancestors forced hundreds of millions people to convert to islam with knives while you forbid christian pastors to convert people in muslim world peacefully.

You do not give rights to non-muslim minority people in muslim world, do not allow them build their own churches freely. Then you cry a river in the west when actually you indeed are given way too many rights there.

There was a time when , Muslims Civilization ruled the world , and then Mohammad , was respected - and no one dared disrespect our prophet , and now of course we live in a world - where Muslims are slaves - of couse we will see a Christian idiot talk about burning something.

We need to return back to how things were - and reclaim things -

 

[EjazR]

But not their followers. Respect Jesus, but do not allow His followers to build a house of worship, or beat His followers for talking about Him.


Yup...There are rallies everywhere everyday the Quran is being burned? One guy burn the Quran over here, some people die for it over there. One 'Death to America' and burn the US flag over there, and nobody bat an eye over here.

Exaggeration much?

gambit, lets not change the goalposts here. I think I was very clear when I mentioned that if you want to burn flags or effigies of presidents of muslim countries go ahead and do it. Hell, I would'nt be surprised if some Pakistanis joined in the burning of a Zardari effigy in NYC.

The question is what justifies attacking the holy books and prophet of Muslims? Lets look at like for like here. And just selectively choosing news articles about a radical in Indonesia is not comparable. Arn't there hate crimes against muslims in the US? What about the recent shootings of two elderly Sikhs who were killed just because they "looked" muslim. Lets not get there.

And burning the US flag is not comparable to burning the Quran. Burning the bible or Torah IS. So now how many muslims have burnt the Bible or the Torah? No muslim religious scholar would justify its burning becuase like I mentioned they are part of muslim belief.

My grudge is not against the crazy pastor, because ofcourse he is crazy. Just as stupid it was some Taliban foot soldiers to use this as an excuse to kill UN aid workers in Afghanistan. What I don't understand is how some posters here can even justify his actions by weasel words and weak arguments like, "they burn our flag and say "Death to America"" so we can burn their holy book".

Ofcourse without defining who "they" are. Its a very weak argument and any sane person would clearly see that as bigotry in the extreme.

 

[tallboy123]

in just few years ago,american flags are burned,stamped by people on roads,shouting slogans againist americans,how should they feel about this?don't they have feelings about their national flag?and a muslim tries to bomb times square..
they have also done wrong things and you have also done wrong things...
none of them are innocent..
Once it has started,it goes on

 

[muse]

I think there are plans to burn a model of the kaaba sometime next month - by this rate Mouzlums will not have any left that this "pastor for Pyros"" will not have burnt - where are Islamicans when they most needed --- You what would be alright though, if the "pastor for Pyros" throws a huge barbacue, he can claim he's going burn the Mouzlums reenactment of Abraham's sacrifice, yeah, that would be cool, Mouzlums wouldn't know whether to protest or eat some BBQ and you know.... well, it was just an idea

 

[T-Rex]

• Pastor plans to burn effigy of Prophet of Islam

Look into India, a developing South Asian nation, where people of multiple religious faiths live in harmony. Even atheists are allowed to live in peace in this country, which already has attained the glorious goodwill being the truest secularist nation in the world. On the other hand, India enjoys a great status being a democratic nation for decades.

But, at the other side of the Atlantic, a pastor named Terry Jones, who runs a small church in Florida in United States, burned the Koran on April 9, 2011, stating "it was found "guilty" during a "trial" at his church."

See the video of the mock trial and burning of Koran here.

Jones said about 30 people attended the mock trial at his Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville. After a six-hour trial on Sunday that featured a Christian convert from Islam as a prosecuting attorney and a Dallas imam as a defense lawyer, a jury of 12 church members and volunteers made the judgment, Jones said.

He said the punishment — burning the book after it had been soaked in kerosene for an hour — was determined from four choices on his organization's Facebook page. He said "several hundred" were polled and voted for burning over shredding, drowning and facing a firing squad.

Jones has launched a new organization, Stand Up America, and plans to protest the Quran, Shariah law and "radical Islam," and has scheduled an April event in front of an Islamic center in Dearborn, Mich. Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, declined to comment at length about Jones' trial.

"Terry Jones had his 15 minutes of fame and we're not going to help him get another few minutes," he said.

Before I proceed with this article, I would like to draw the attention of my readers to a specific comment by Terry Jones, where he said, during this mock-trial the holy Koran was already soaked in kerosene, which very clearly tell everyone that the sole intention of this man was actually to burn Koran and simply stage the so-called mock trial to draw attention of media.

Following this much unwarranted incident of burning the holy Koran, a number of nations have strongly condemned the barbaric attitude of Terry Jones and demanded his trial. Gambian government demanded immediate execution of this man. In its statement, the Gambian government said: "We learnt with utter dismay, shocks and consternation of the burning of a copy of the Holy Quran by Terry Jones last month in the United States of America. This heinous act of infamy, bigotry and provocation we condemn in the strongest possible terms. Terry Jones has carried out his threat which is a declaration of War on Islam and Muslims, thereby endangering world peace and security as we the Muslim Worldwide cannot stand idly by and allow rabid dogs, bigots and dangerous infidels like Terry Jones and his collaborators to not only defame Islam, but desecrate our noble and the glorious Holy Quran for whatever reason."

The official statement further said, "It is interesting that he carried out this heinous act with impunity under the guise of freedom of expression etc. and even goes about to shamelessly say that the killing of the UN staff in Afghanistan; a consequence of his dastardly act, buttresses his devilish and dangerous views about Islam. The killing of the UN staff, innocent and decent international civil servants who have absolutely nothing to do with Terry Jones's acts of infamy thousands of kilometers away in the US; as heinous a crime as Terry Jones's actions, goes to vindicate Gambian government's position that dangerous criminals must never be entertained under the guise of any freedom, as they endanger lives of decent and innocent people by their crazy and evil fantasies."

The Gambian government asked "This begs the question, if Terry Jones was an Imam in the same USA who threatens to burn a copy of the Holy Bible because of his evil and dangerous misconceptions about Christianity and calls for a Jihad against Christians; would he have walked free from that platform and go about his business for about five months still protected by the same freedom of expression and eventually ends up carrying out his threat by burning a copy of the Holy Bible? The answer definitely is No. He would have been arrested on the spot and taken off the streets at best; and at worst, he would have been sent to Guantanamo Bay and locked up. Why is Terry Jones being treated differently from those Muslims that have similar views about Non Muslims and the West?"

Pakistani Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani condemned the burning of the Muslim holy book by Pastor Terry Jones.

Pakistan's Deputy Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar said that the act was reprehensible, and could only be the work of extremists, designed to provoke dissent and discord across the world.

"Such sacrilegious acts go against the very concept of inter-faith harmony," Khar said. "There could be no justification for such acts. This has deeply hurt the feelings of the people of Pakistan and Muslims all over the world."

US President Barack Obama characterized the Koran burning as "an act of extreme intolerance and bigotry" while calling the violent responses "dishonourable and deplorable." Members of Congress overwhelmingly blamed Jones:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (Democrat of Nevada) said, he will "take a look" at introducing a resolution to condemn the Koran burning.

Senate Majority Whip Richard J. Durbin (Democrat of Illinois) held that "this pastor with his publicity stunt with the Koran unfortunately endangers the lives of our troops and the citizens of this country and a lot of innocent people."

Senator Lindsey Graham (Republican of South Carolina) expressed a wish to "find a way to hold [American] people accountable" and called free speech "a great idea, but we're in a war."

Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee Mike Rogers (Republican of Michigan) requested every American to "be thoughtful and mindful of each citizen's responsibility to do their part to make sure our soldiers come home safely."

While the US government, Senate and the Congress condemned the action of Terry Jones, it is observed that some of the religious fanatics in United States have expressed direct or indirect solidarity towards Pastor Terry Jones and are even trying to defend him, stating his actions were part of rights of expression.

Meanwhile, Terry Jones told reporters of receiving US$ 20,000 from various people, who supported and encouraged the burning of Koran. On the other hand, The church's membership had plummeted. So had its income, from selling furniture on eBay. The church's Internet service provider and insurance provider cancelled their services.

The conservative Fox News host Bill O' Reilly ripped into the Koran-burning Florida pastor who sparked deadly riots in Afghanistan, calling him an "insane Christian" who has "blood on his hands."

He said, Terry Jones "had to know fanatical Muslims would go crazy" when he oversaw the burning of the Islamic holy book on March 20.

The act ignited violent protests in Afghanistan, where an angry mob overran a United Nations mission in the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif.

"Everyone involved in this story is disgusting," O'Reilly added, including the killers and Afghan President Hamid Karzai, who called for Jones arrest knowing it would whip up "dangerous feelings."

A former hotel manager, Jones, who worked as a missionary in Europe for 30 years, took over as head of the Dove World Outreach Center, a fundamentalist Christian church in Gainesville, Fla., in 1996. He is often seen on the church's 20-acre compound with a pistol strapped to his hip.

According to the Gainesville Sun, Alachua County officials revoked part of the church's tax-exempt status earlier this year, saying portions of the 20-acre campus are used in for-profit businesses. The property is valued at more than $1.6 million, but the 1,700-square-foot taxable portion is worth only $135,000, according to the Gainsville Sun.

The Florida pastor whose public torching of the Koran sparked violent Muslim protests in the Mideast told WND (World News Daily) Jerusalem Bureau Chief Aaron Klein that an effigy of Islam's Prophet Muhammad may be next. Pastor Terry Jones of the Dove World Outreach Center of Gainesville, Fla., was speaking with Klein on the latter's "Aaron Klein Investigative Radio" on WABC 770 AM in New York City when the host asked if there was any truth to the rumor that Jones' church would put Muhammad "on trial," like it did with the Quran. He said, the trial against Muhammed will be held for 'his crime against humanity'.

Terry Jones said: "As far as judging Muhammad, it would take place in the same way. We would try to obtain experts on both sides of the bench, and if Muhammad was found innocent … then we would issue a public apology to Islam, to the Quran, to the followers of Muhammad for our actions at insulting [them]. If he was found guilty, then we would do in the same manner as the Quran burning. We would offer probably four or five different forms of punishment, and then the form of punishment that the people voted upon, that would be the punishment that would be executed."

Klein asked what kind of "punishment" Jones had in mind.

"Probably they would be forms similar to International Judge the Quran Day," Jones said. "On that day we had four forms of punishment – they were burning, grounding, shredding and facing of a firing squad. We would probably pick some of those kinds of forms, and if Muhammad was found guilty … we would put together some type of picture or some type of dummy figure to represent him, and then the execution would be done on that particular object we created."

Following the world-wide outrage on burning of Koran, now the Florida pastor is moving ahead with much dangerous plan to burn the dummy figures (effigy) of Prophet Mohammed. It is learnt from various blogs that Terry Jones is planning to hold another mock trial of Prophet Mohammed as well burn his effigy or shoot it during the month of Ramadan (month of fasting for the Muslims). It is well apprehended that, such trial and either burning or shooting the effigy or image of the prophet of Islam will lead to severe protest amongst the Muslim nations as well as Muslims in the West.

Pastor plans to burn effigy of Prophet of Islam :: Weekly Blitz

This proves one more time that the west with its hypocritical policies are the source of all the unrest and violence. They provide the extremists with fuel and then they blame Islam. This dirty game should not go unchallenged.

 

[T-Rex]

I think there are plans to burn a model of the kaaba sometime next month - by this rate Mouzlums will not have any left that this "pastor for Pyros"" will not have burnt - where are Islamicans when they most needed --- You what would be alright though, if the "pastor for Pyros" throws a huge barbacue, he can claim he's going burn the Mouzlums reenactment of Abraham's sacrifice, yeah, that would be cool, Mouzlums wouldn't know whether to protest or eat some BBQ and you know.... well, it was just an idea

This will only stop when people will start burning Bibles. The present day Bible isn't the Ingil anyway, so what's to stop the Muslims? If the the US government doesn't do anything about terry jones Muslims might be induced to enjoy the same kind of liberty enjoyed by terry jones.

 

[Jigs]

This proves one more time that the west with its hypocritical policies are the source of all the unrest and violence. They provide the extremists with fuel and then they blame Islam. This dirty game should not go unchallenged.

Since when did the views of a pastor that belongs to a small church in Florida represent U.S. policies ? The fact that popular conservatives such as O'Reilly are giving him heat about it should make it clear no side of the political spectrum supports this man.

 

[Jigs]

This will only stop when people will start burning Bibles. The present day Bible isn't the Ingil anyway, so what's to stop the Muslims? If the the US government doesn't do anything about terry jones Muslims might be induced to enjoy the same kind of liberty enjoyed by terry jones.

The U.S. has laws. You can not go arresting people because they do something that another group doesn't like. Also bibles are burned all the time across the world. They are even on youtube. Nobody takes it seriously or decides to kill people over them.

 

[T-Rex]

The U.S. has laws. You can not go arresting people because they do something that another group doesn't like. Also bibles are burned all the time across the world. They are even on youtube. Nobody takes it seriously or decides to kill people over them.

Have you seen Muslim Imams burning Bibles? So, don't compare this to those incidents.

 

[T-Rex]

Since when did the views of a pastor that belongs to a small church in Florida represent U.S. policies ? The fact that popular conservatives such as O'Reilly are giving him heat about it should make it clear no side of the political spectrum supports this man.

The views of terry jones is not the issue, the issue is america's selective use of freedom of expression.

 

[Jigs]

Have you seen Muslim Imams burning Bibles? So, don't compare this to those incidents.

I have seen Imams teaching islamic extremism to kids and breeding suicide bombers. These people have groups of people supporting them.

That however was not the point. It doesn't matter who does it this is allowed under U.S. law along with burning flags and bibles.

So throwing a hissy fit over it won't change anything.

 

[Jigs]

The views of terry jones is not the issue, the issue is america's selective use of freedom of expression.

They allow people like this so it is anything but selective.