Paranoia grips Pakistan :: Indian Arms buying spree unabated

[Joe Shearer]

@coffee_cup

What I could not write, because the thread was closed.

And you are denying the undeniable. I do not think, if you examine your conscience, that you can avoid admitting the deep involvement of the whole establishment.

Isn't it a fact that skins from slaughter are donated for the 'cause'? Isn't it a fact that hundreds of young men volunteer for quasi-military training with the training establishments of JeM, HeM, HuM, LeT? And are they not trained there by deputed Army personnel? Aren't they given shelter in J&K by the Pakistan Army? Aren't they given fire cover to distract the border guards and the front-line Indian troops when it is time to cross over? If you want evidence, ask yourself how people make it from Muridke to a grave within J&K.

If you are honest, we can have a discussion. If you insist on simon-pure probity, I stand defeated. It's up to you. It isn't about debating, it is about confronting the dangers and delusions of the path that you chose when fighting the Russian occupation of Afghanistan, and never rejected afterwards.

 

[Shot-Caller]

What Pakistan does not understand is, if India invested even the 1% of the above money in proxies, whole of Pakistan will start burning.

What you don't understand is india has been trying hard but always has to face consequences. Otherwise the extremists wouldn't have waited a day to make akhand bharat, with their people in the government now, if it was as easy as you say it is.

 

[DavidSling]

Well that's an opinion ... but only thing that needs our attention is s-400 systems... Even though they are very capable system but because they are very expensive to field therefore they are also very easy to exhaust ... rest of the weaponry is not of our concern that much ...

no sense

 

[dani958]

no sense

white india will have spice kitt and lithing 5 game changer

 

[Reichsmarschall]

khamosh ghustaakh ye kyaa saleeka hai ek shahistaa khoob soorat khatoon ke barre me baat kerne kaa

darinder modee mardoodee apnee chalak ayariyon me is baar kamyaab ho gaya hai iska ye matalb katayee na samjhe aap ki momin chup baith jayenge inshallah ab pakistan ki fizaiyya China ke twassul se S500+ level ke SAM system khareedegee ...Pakistan Zindabaad Pakistan Paindabaad

looks like you are high on indiyas national drink

 

[-xXx-]

Mukti Bahini, LTTE, BLA, TTP... heck it were none other than India who introduced the frankenstein of suicide bombings in the region!

Muktis - Were never terrorists but genuine ruler of whole Pakistan who were devoid of their democratic rights by superiority complex ridden west pakistan and its army

LTTE - Yes we did, and we faced the blunt.

BLA - Perhaps we may do support them by money and material means along with moral support.

TTP - That's your pure figment of imagination to link us with sharia seeking bunch of Islamists. An urge to bring India to level playing field. They are not our kids.

You blame Chinese, you blame Bangladeshis, you blame Nepalies, you blame Myanamar, you blame Pakistan.

Chinese - We don't or else quote any official statement of us accusing them of terror.

Nepalis - . The best fighters join our army from Nepal and we have excellent relationship with them. Visa free open movement. Terrorism from Nepal, you must be kidding me. However sometimes Pakistani terrorist do use this open border to infiltrate and with help of Nepali authority many were nabbed in past.

Myanmar - Again lol. They even allowed us to do strike on naxals inside their territory. Good allies.

BDesh - We never blame the state, but sometimes we got few elements from their land because of residual pakistanis left there and rise of extremism lately.

Pakistan - Less we say, better it is. The terror organisation supported, funded, created and currently being operated in Pakistan would make a list full of pages thus called as mothership of terror by Modi.

Have you (India) ever thought to find some time for some restrospection or is it only rhetoric and false bravado with what you want to address the issues?

Yes we did and thus acknowledged our misdoing in form of LTTE.

How about you? Killing millions in BDesh, snatching away their democratic rights and still calling them terrorists?

 

[saiyan0321]

Some extremely foolish and D grade posts and is that an opinion site.

First of all there is no paranoia as its India's money and they can buy whatever they want. There has been talk of countering and answer to S-400 since guess what this is a defence site. Infact the op and many posters seems to have forgotten that Pakistanis congratulated Indians on getting the S-400 and very wilfully argued that its the best system out there when the op country man was saying it's not.

But the most annoying posts are from those that openly support the use of terrorism in pakistan and truly wish that their govt would lend aid and fully realized aid to terrorist outfits who have a history and have been known to target civilians openly. This showcases their lack of intellect, lack of morals as well as a lack of common sense discounting factors relating to geography, current affairs and history.

This is not a third rated site like IDF or BR so keep these wet dreams of breaking pakistan on those platforms.

I tell myself that social media does not represent true Indians but the hatred they breath out is really getting me down.

Anyhow pakistan will find its answer in defence systems ( most probably from China) as recently the focus has been defence shielding. Tbh I wouldn't mind if they tax every Pakistani to buy S-400 as its a great system and can truly create a strong impregnable shield all over pakistan.

I am of the opinion that every inch must be shielded with air defense missiles.

 

[Joe Shearer]

What you don't understand is india has been trying hard but always has to face consequences. Otherwise the extremists wouldn't have waited a day to make akhand bharat, with their people in the government now, if it was as easy as you say it is.

Curious remark.

What consequences? Deaths in terrorist attacks. Anything else?

 

[Signalian]

Conclusion ::

Pakistan is insanely worried about the kind of money being thrown around by India for weapon systems which the Islamic Nation of Pakistan cannot possibly match even in their dreams. It has thus resorted to an intensive Proxy War with India confined mainly to the state of Kashmir as it cannot match India man-to-man and penny-to-penny.
http://www.defencenews.in/article/Paranoia-grips-Pakistan--Indian-Arms-buying-spree-unabated-8752

Its is illogical to assume that a second front can be started when the western front is open and end is still not clear. The staggering amount of causalities (both military and civilian) is a huge loss which has also become a burden due to increase in amount of wounded and handicapped, infact the officer shortage in army has forced PA to rise in induction numbers at PMA. There is loss of infrastructure, developmental projects in FATA and Baluchistan and also the high costs of providing security to every project related to CPEC and otherwise. SSD has been raised out of necessity and thats almost 13000+ personnel deputed only on security on CPEC route. PA is stretched on war in Western border whereas PAF is also taking part in it. Every vehicle moving, helicopter hovering, aircraft flying is an expense.

Common sense suggests that if PA has proxy forces then PA would use them to destroy TTP in its own backyard first, rather then spending more money and using more resources to start a new front in kashmir and divert training/ammunition/communication/logistics and assets to handle proxies in kashmir. Waging a proxy war on lines of guerilla war requires more than just a few handlers and trainers. it requires a complete setup and assets dedicated to bring destruction upon enemy.

If Pakistan does have such resources then it would first bring an end to the war on western border which is taking a toll of soldiers, civilians and causing loss of millions of $$$. Its is completely absurd and illogical to witness loss of resources on one front and simultaneously start spending whatever resources are left on a different front.

 

[coffee_cup]

Can you name a single instance of cross-border terrorism that ante-dates 1966?

The point is:

India is crying of being victim of cross-border terrorism everywhere around the world.

Whereas India herself is the biggest spnosor of cross-border terrorism in the region (for whatever reasons).

Now think about it.

 

[Shot-Caller]

Curious remark.

What consequences? Deaths in terrorist attacks. Anything else?

If you strengthen people who kill our civilians, what makes you think we won't strengthen people who kill your forces?

 

[Joe Shearer]

The point is:

India is crying of being victim of cross-border terrorism everywhere around the world.

Whereas India herself is the biggest supporter of cross-border terrorism in the region (for whatever reasons).

Now think about it.

You side-stepped (since you have outlawed classification of posts, or use of evasive or substantive).

I mentioned 1947.

I mentioned 1966.

That is the point. That India reacted when 10 million refugees flooded in, and it seemed that they would most of them die. That is when we got serious. Not so Pakistan. She took to the clandestine route long before, and continued. Once again, THAT is the point.

Now that you yourselves have let the Indian genie out of the bottle, you have only yourselves to blame.

 

[dilpakistani]

no sense

it's not actually ... this doctrine is proposed/implemented by IDF itself to counter highly concentrated air defence field and complete the mission objectives... we just have to develop anti radiation decoys (Like IDF have) to mimic an air attack ... their missiles will be exhausted in chasing and if they wouldn't the decoys will reach their stations and destroy them.. in any case s-400 shield will wear out very quickly.

 

[Joe Shearer]

If you strengthen people who kill our civilians, what makes you think we won't strengthen people who kill your forces?

We never strengthened people who killed your civilians. As usual, most of you come into these discussions with zero background. You are not even aware that our intelligence operations were banned by our own administration until two years ago. And since then, there has not been time enough to do the kind of network building that can mount large insurgency efforts.

it's not actually ... this doctrine is proposed/implemented IDF to counter highly concentrated air defence field and complete the mission objectives... we just have to develop anti radiation decoys (Like IDF have) to mimic an air attack ... their missiles will be exhausted in chasing and if they wouldn't the decoys will reach their stations and destroy them.. in any case s-400 shield will wear out very quickly.

Are you sure you won't have to deploy wizards on their brooms to distract the hell out of these systems? If we are talking hypothesis, let's talk hypothesis.

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

indians and their mouth fa** .