Panama Case - Post Verdict Discussion and Updates

[Islam is hope]

Loosers....

Ye bullshit hai .. propaganda hai noothiya journalists ka..aur dusri bat tumhare jese andhe nahi hain .. pti ghalat karegi to uspe lanat bhej kai agey chale jaen gai... ghulami ki zanjerain mai tum log jakre hue ho..andhey

 

[Farah Sohail]

232. Disqualification on account of offences.— Where a person has been convicted for any offence under this Act or has been found guilty of any corrupt or illegal practice by a Tribunal, he shall, if the Commission is of the view that circumstances so warrant and makes an order to that effect, be disqualified for such period not exceeding five years as may be specified in the order from being, or being elected as a Member of an Assembly, the Senate or a local government.

Everyone is of the view that 232 will only apply to the future cases..

How unjust would that be, a person, de-seated on corruption charges in August 2017, has been disqualified for life, and another who commits a murder in 2018 and is awarded 14 years of jail term, will be able to stand in elections in 2023 from jail.

NS should go to court to get justice for himself..

@bold under this act? Which act...its specifically talking abt?

@ red which commission?

Apparently tu yehi lagta hai ke..this will apply to future cases.. But still why isnt anyone talking abt it?

I am surprised why PTI / no media anchor is talking abt it? Abhi main Sheikh Rashid ka interview sunn rahi thee.. It seems..tht atleast he doesnt know abt this section 232.. Us ne khud tu bill parha nahi hoga.. And media is also not talking abt it.... Sheikh Rashid clearly said ke kal senate main kia hua aur kaisy pass hua? Mujhe nahi pata...main ne tu media par news dekhi..

PTI should challenge it in SC...

@PakSword yeh aap ne dhoonda kahan se?

The main reason is that they are thinking that section 203 will allow NS to become party president in future again.. no retrospective application is needed.

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@bold.. So what? Woh dobara apni party ka president ban bhi jaye tu kia? Abhi woh party president nahi hai.. tab bhi tu party wohi chalaa raha hai.. So kia farq parta hai..agar woh future main apni party ka president ban bhi jaye tu...?

 

[Zibago]

NS is a "Saieen Lok" by nature,

By confronting him head on in last four years, Establishment getting herself in a close street by their own.

Uskey apney kartoot galey parein hain kis ney kaha tha billions ki corruption karo?

Now, their persistent to persue on the same humiliated path will get them 15th July, 2016 within Pakistan one day.

Bet you an arm and a leg its impossible in Pakistan he just doesnot have Erdogan level support among the masses nor is he popular among across the country particularly inside the capital his following is weak its technically impossible for him to pull something like that off

 

[Dastaan]

NS is a "Saieen Lok" by nature,

سائیں هے تو داتا صاحب بٹهاو اس کو
Janab erdogan sharif of pakistan

 

[The Accountant]

kal ki poori karastani kisi ne share ki hai yahan..

https://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?580375-انتخابی-اصلاحات-بل-شق203



True that.. But NAB cases become ineffective in absentia..

I dont think so ... NAB is investigation agency and can proceed without interviews ... Furthermore my read is they escaped as they were cornered and were allowed to escape so that they loose influence ... Now in absence of Sharief tuber pressure on investigating persons will be far lesser ...

 

[PakSword]

@bold under this act? Which act...its specifically talking abt?

Poora parhain... "under this act or has been found guilty of any corrupt or illegal practice by a Tribunal"

@ red which commission?

Apparently, a parliamentary commission will also be formed on top of court's decision.

@PakSword yeh aap ne dhoonda kahan se?

Aap bhi parh lain..

http://www.na.gov.pk/uploads/documents/1503574220_539.pdf

Yeh woh bill hai jo NA se pass hua hai 22 August ko.

203 main further amendment propose ki thi Aitzaz Ahsan ne.. jis pe kal voting huee aur woh reject hogaee.

232 ko tou kisi ne chhera hi nahi.. lolz...

tou effectively, yeh NA wala poora ka poora without any amendment pass hogaya..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Poora parhain... "under this act or has been found guilty of any corrupt or illegal practice by a Tribunal"

Apparently, a parliamentary commission will also be formed on top of court's decision.
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Kahn election commission ki baat tu nahi karrahay?

Waisy ek baat kahun.. Jaisa ke ..iss article ki language se lag raha hai ke it will apply to future cases only...and not on NS's case... Ab mujhe lagg raha hai ke agar ye SC main challenge kia bhi gaya ..yeh 5 yr wala section..SC isay strike down nahi karay gi.. Agar petitioners kahein ge ke ye malafide hai..panama case verdict ki wajah se..ye include kia gaya hai tu SC simply keh dey gi ke uska tu faisla hochuka hai..us waqt yeh law nahi tha..is liye panama case par ye apply nahi hoga.. Aur yeh keh kar...SC shayad iss clause ko strike down na karay

232 ko tou kisi ne chhera hi nahi.. lolz...

tou effectively, yeh NA wala poora ka poora without any amendment pass hogaya..

Yehi mujhe samajh nahi aarah.. Isay kisi ne kiun nahi chera? Media bhi...iske pass honay ke baad bhi bilkol discuss nahi karraha.. Beshak NS ke case par apply na ho..lekin iss baat ko tu discuss karsaktay thay ke kiun ke panama verdict aa gaya tu is wajah se future ke liye ye law banaaya gaya hai...

Lekin media par isay koi bhi discuss nahi karraha... Kiun?

 

[PakSword]

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8 laws ko unify kia hai.. aur badtameezi se amendments bhi ki hain NA main pass karwanay se pehlay...

241. Repeal.— The following laws are hereby repealed—
(a) the Electoral Rolls Act, 1974 (Act No. XXI of 1974);
(b) the Delimitation of Constituencies Act, 1974 (Act No. XXXIV of 1974);
(c) the Senate (Election) Act, 1975 (Act No. LI of 1975);
(d) the Representation of the People Act, 1976 (Act No. LXXXV of 1976);
(e) the Election Commission Order, 2002 (Chief Executive‘s Order No.1 of 2002);
(f) the Conduct of General Elections Order, 2002 (Chief Executive‘s Order No.7 of 2002);
(g) the Political Parties Order, 2002(Chief Executive‘s Order No.18 of 2002); and
(h) the Allocation of Symbols Order, 2002.

 

[Realistic Change]

Nawaz sharif party president rahay ya na rahay officially..is se koi khaas farq nahi parta.. Abhi woh party president nahi hai..phir bhi NS hi party ko control karraha hai.. So..i am not bothered abt that..

Mujhe abhi bhi wohi confusion hai..ke why isnt anyone discussing abt 5 yr disqualification term introduced in bill in senate yesterday? This is what actually matters..kiun ke phir se NS wapis aa sakta hai..is se ...assembly main..

Kal Kamran khan ke show main jab he bill ke baaray main kamran khan bataa raha tha( although i strongly dislike kamran khan) so he told abt this clause tht now disqualification has been reduced to 5 yrs and PML N has a plan ke abhi 5 yrs kia hai.. Baad main is se bhi kam kar dein ge disqualification period..

Why is everyone only focussed on party prsidency thing? Wgy is none discussing abt 5 yr term of disqualification? Even ppl like Klasra and Khawar ghumman are not discussing it..who are stronly anti PML N.. Even sheikh Rashid only talked abt party presidency clause..

Dnt they know abt this 5 yr term introduced in the bill?baaj Mohammad Malick ke prog main kal ka bill discuss hota araha..they wee critcising it..but there was no mention of this 5 yr thing introduced in the bill.. Why?

@Realistic Change do u have any info regarding this? Do u know..if Imran Khan is aware of this ...5 yr term for disqualification introduced in bill in senate yestaerday? Does Imran khan even know abt it? Plzz can u check and share this, with us?

Aware about it.

@Arsalan - I can’t see the pvt chats we created, can you kindly look into it. Thanks in advance!

 

[PakSword]

Waisay @Farah Sohail I think main ghalat section dekh raha hun.. 232 shayad woh wala nahi hai.. jo 5 years DQ wala hai.. kyun ke main ne abhi the Representation of the People Act 1976 bhi parha hai.. uss main bhi 5 years hi hai..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Aware about it.

@Arsalan - I can’t see the pvt chats we created, can you kindly look into it. Thanks in advance!

Does IK plan to challenge it..in SC?

Waisay @Farah Sohail I think main ghalat section dekh raha hun.. 232 shayad woh wala nahi hai.. jo 5 years DQ wala hai.. kyun ke main ne abhi the Representation of the People Act 1976 bhi parha hai.. uss main bhi 5 years hi hai..

Aap zara section 231 dekhein.. 231 main 62/63 ka hi zikr hai... Iska matlab ke shayad 62/63 main koi change nahi hai.. Woh waisa hi rahay ga.. 232 ek alag section hai.. 231 ka sub section nahi hai..iska matlab 231 aur 232 related nahi hai.. Aur yeh hai bhi under miscellanous chapter....tu shayd 231 aur 232 ka aapis main talluq nahi hai.. Aur is se 62/63 par asar nahi paray ga...

Aur rahi baat ..corrup practices aur doosri cheezon ki..wih shayad sirf election se related cheezon ka zikr hai.. Page no 65 check karein..

Chapter 10.. Uske sub sections dekhein.. I think 232 main inn cheezon yani election se related cheezon ka zikr hai..shayad.... Kia khyal hai? It doesnt apply to overall constituition shayd.. Kia khyal hai?

 

[PakSword]

Does IK plan to challenge it..in SC?



Aap zara section 231 dekhein.. 231 main 62/63 ka hi zikr hai... Iska matlab ke shayad 62/63 main koi change nahi hai.. Woh waisa hi rahay ga.. 232 ek alag section hai.. 231 ka sub section nahi hai..iska matlab 231 aur 232 related nahi hai.. Aur yeh ahi bhi under miscellanous chapter....tu shayd 231 aur 232 ka aapis main talluq nahi hai.. Aur is se 62/63 par asar nahi paray ga...

Aur rahi baat ..corrup practices aur doosri cheezon ki..wih shayad sirf election se related cheezon ka zikr hai.. Page no 65 check karein..

Chapter 10.. Uske sub sections dekhein.. I think 232 main inn cheezon yani election se related cheezon ka zikr hai..shayad.... Kia khyal hai? It doesnt apply to lverall constituition shayd.. Kia khyal hai?

Yes, I think you are right.. Because people representation act 1976 main bhi aisay hi likha hua hai.. tou phir 5 year DQ wala shor kyun macha hua hai? yeh samajh nahi aayee.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Yes, I think you are right.. Because people representation act 1976 main bhi aisay hi likha hua hai.. tou phir 5 year DQ wala shor kyun macha hua hai? yeh samajh nahi aayee.

Aap ne saaray sections dekhey..aur parhay....jo main ne point out kiye?

Ye kal kamran khan ne...aur geo ne iska zikr kia tha.. Baqi tu kahin koi zikr nahi karraha.. Yehi tu main bhi soch rqahi thee ke 5 yr disqualification ka koi zikr kiun nahi karraha?

@PakSword ROPA act 1976 and 232 are similar?

 

[PakSword]

Aap ne saaray sections dekhey..aur parhay....jo main ne point out kiye?

Ye kal kamran khan ne...aur geo ne iska zikr kia tha.. Baqi tu kahin koi zikr nahi karraha.. Yehi tu main bhi soch rqahi thee ke 5 yr disqualification ka koi zikr kiun nahi karraha?

Yes, I read a lot of other sections as well. For example, read section 60 2 (a), it is clear that 62/ 63 pe wohi purana wala no compromise hai abhi tak..

@PakSword ROPA act 1976 and 232 are similar?

Not word to word same.. but similar..

 

[Realistic Change]

Does IK plan to challenge it..in SC?

Will discuss in pvt chat - Sir Jee @Arsalan - help!!!