Pakistan's Tactical Nukes : Hypes, Flaws and illusions - A Tactical blunder in the making.

[ZeusMK]

"War of the Words"
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[911]

Of Course it will and so will quality(which we lead in every factor), not mention to mention these "numbers" are better equipped, have better physical and mental standards, better trained, and believe serving in the armed forces is serving Islam; which gives them a lot of morale.

One "number" of these lions could eat 10 Indian Soldiers like breakfast.

The courage, morale, training, physical and mental fitness of Pakistan Army is unmatched .

 

[Hulk]

Pakistan's Tactical Nukes : Hypes, Flaws and illusions - A Tactical blunder in the making.

Development of Nuclear missile power motivated by a state to improve its national security and expand its influence in a global scale.

Massive offensive nuclear capabilities are coming of age with sea-trials for its first ballistic missile submarine. The INS Arihantis expected to be introduced into service by 2016. New Delhi plans to field between four to six similar vessels by the end of 2025 and much more powerful SSBN in the near future to boost its second strike capability. These are are additional capabilities Indians will have along with their Aire and missile nuclear delivery systems. Pakistan is also likely to develop sea-based nuclear capabilities. Both are seeking to develop their own version of the nuclear triad, which incorporates air, land and sea-based systems. Some scholars have argued that second-strike capability will have a positive influence on strategic stability in the region while others have raised concerns about the dangers of a nuclear arms race. As Pakistan don't follow the same policy of India or China. Where the later follows 'No first Use ' policy

Report which rang alarm bells in high level corridors of power.

Report titled "Pakistan could have the world’s third largest stockpile of nuclear weapons after the US and Russia within a decade"

The report said if it(Pakistan) continues to build up to 20 nuclear warheads annually. *Pakistan became a nuclear power in 1998 when it carried out a series of six nuclear tests just three weeks after India carried out a second series of its own tests. Neither country has signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty.

The production, maintenance and modernization of nuclear forces diverts vast public resources away from health. care, education, climate change mitigation, disaster relief, development assistance and other vital services. So will the Nukes save Pakistan from conventional retaliation from India?


According to Toby Dalton of the Carnegie Endowment for international peace and Michael Krepon of the Stimson Center, “the growth path of Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal, enabled by existing infrastructure, goes well beyond the assurances of credible minimal deterrence provided by Pakistani officials and analysts after testing nuclear devices.

Few months ago Pakistan’s foreign secretary notes that Islamabad is ready to use low-yield nukes against India’s “Cold Start” doctrine.

Pakistani official confirmed what had long been suspected by the arms control community: Pakistan will use low-yield nuclear weapons in responding to hypothetical Indian incursions into its territory. According to Pakistani Foreign Secretary Aizaz Chaudhary, Pakistan is formalizing it’s plans to use these low-yield nuclear bombs to forestall the advance of Indian troops under New Delhi’s “Cold Start” doctrine.

What is Cold Start : Cold Start emphasizes speedy and lithe offensive operations in case of any terror attacks. Already Indian armed forces posses hands down superiority over Pakistan. India commands huge fleet of Navy, Airforce to come into the aid of its world's 2nd largest Army in the world.

Chaudhary’s statement marks the first time Pakistani officials have acknowledged their intent to use low-yield, or so-called “tactical,” nuclear weapons in a potential future conflict with India.

Deployment of short-range, low-yield nuclear weapons as problematic and risky. Jeffrey D. McCausland, writing for the Stimson Center, notes that “the belief held by some Pakistani military leaders that the development, production, and induction of tactical nuclear weapons would cancel Indian conventional advantages while facilitate ‘sub-conventional’ warfare is both dangerous and problematic.”

Still India does not currently operate or plan to develop tactical nuclear weapons. Why? India on other hand facing huge threat from China. Not only that two front war is something that keep ringing alarm bells in New Delhi’s highest level of administration.

On the contrary to Pakistan, India believes in full and powerful retaliation using large strikes at multiple cities at a same time in such a way the adversaries are completely destroyed . So if Pakistan use its nukes in its own territory destroying it's own country it would put itself in a position where massive retaliation from India.

But let's see at what extend Pakistan will be able to exercise it's ability to launch missile strike against Indian force .

Let's say Pakistan managed to successfully launch another 26/11 mumbai terror attack. For sure given the priority for the new government at the center led by Hindu Nationalist leadership appropriate retaliation could be initiated.

1) An Air strikes and small military operations on the LoC won’t give Pakistan enough reason to escalate a conflict, mired as it is in a sapping internal war. Although there would likely be some retaliation against the Indian strikes, punishment for terrorism would have been delivered.

2) India might have to absorb some blows in return but it would have achieved it's objectives of eliminating terror camps deep inside ***.

3) Pressure will be on Pakistan from global community to stop harbouring terrorism against India. Image of Pakistan will have serious effects in it's actions.

4) Even if India managed to retake parts or whole of Kashmir it is much below the level for nuclear confrontation between countries with massive nuclear arsenals.

No point in using nuclear weapons here at all. The story, though, may not end there. Terrorists will, almost certainly, retaliate against the destruction of their infrastructure by staging more attacks. India’s government will have no option but to hit back. Each successive phase of Indian retaliation will, inexorably, be that much more intense, as New Delhi seeks to compel Pakistan’s military establishment to act against its terrorist proxies.

By end of the day India would have arm twisted Pakistan to stop it's proxies against India along with overwhelming support from majority of global community. India's global influence web has just got Modi-fied where as Pakistan struggling to keep its interest afloat in its own neighborhood. Today's foreign policies of Pakistan is like hungry man with a bread and butter which already expired.

Pakistan's military establishment thought /thinking that mass producing large number of nuclear weapons capabilities than India could serve as a shield against Indian retaliation for its Terror attacks in India.

Think about it : “If the military art could be reduced to arithmetic,” Soviet nuclear theoretician General Andrian Danilevich observed, “we would not need any wars. You could simply look at the correlation of forces, make some calculations, and tell your opponent, ‘we outnumber you 2:1, victory is ours, please surrender’.”

What Pakistan has done with its threatening strategy is to give India a stage to perform it's right to expand its nuclear arsenals against Nukes taunting Pakistan and insecure hence aggressive neighbor China . World will be more worried about Pakistan nuclear capability than of India for many reasons.

This tactical nuclear weapon's capabilities are very restrained and very risky. Once threshold to use nukes are breached nothing else could stop it's chain retaliations. Pakistani establishment must revisit it's policies which are poised to become a complete failure in the future.


Just my views. And views of others too. You like it or not

Its very irritating why we keep opening threads on this forum on Pakistan's nuke. Let them do what they want to do man (Unke nuke jo karna hai karen. Fhayda unka nukshan unka). It was OK to have one or two discussion but now its boring.

 

[911]

we also have something Indian lack; and that is 'brains'

Never denied that

How about shame in a country 7 times larger but still cant do shit?

How about you split us into two now? 71 you were in the advantage due to obvious geographical reasons. what did you do in 2001?Nothing. What did you do in 2008? Nothing. You knew the moment you cross you will be getting a bloody nose.

What did you do for the last 2 years when we kept on killing your soldiers and according to your media kept on violating ceasefire agreements . you did nothing. That's because you cant.

We have half of kashmir that we took in 48 . Come take it. We are making gilgit baltistan a province what will you do about it?Nothing as usual. Its because You cant. After 4 wars Pakistan is a regional power and a country not to be messed with.

Sorry to burst your bubble by the way. meanwhile you can watch phantom , LOC , border or some 1000's of anti Pakistan Movies that bollywood has made to cater for you guys.

Good points. We lack guts to attack Pakistan because of external pressure which we will face from other countries after we attack, not that we are better.

6: Identity? All Pakistanis know who we are, we are Pakistanis - a diverse country with different ethnicity groups all united under the flag of Pakistan and religion of Islam.

And yet minorities are patriotic. These are the things we must learn from Pakistan.

I wonder why this super power Indian army never cross the border and just talk big after so many terror attack on its soil .
Once they tried it but lost more then 1000 soldier only in mobilization of troops to border area OMG.
And then waited there to receives some order from aliens to attack which never came lol.
Spend 5 billion for bringing the army and enjoying the picnic.

If it's use less then why did you wasted your energy on it.

It's hurting your pride that a big country like India cannot do sh$t to a small country like Pakistan.

We have tried in future but failed.

Your mard i momins also said the same thing in 1971 and history knows what happens

Are there any LIONS in Pakistan, they have been extinct for ages!!!! And "Stuffed Lions" in Raiwind don't count....
The last idiotic Gernails to make this 1=10 kinda math......... simply lost half of Paksitan, what are you planning to lose now?

No trolling please

 

[Salik]

Pakistan's tactical nukes can be used on infected populous like that of the strongholds of Taliban and Daesh. The way you cut away sick limb from the body by surgery. That's the last resort.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Never denied that

Good points. We lack guts to attack Pakistan because of external pressure which we will face from other countries after we attack, not that we are better.

And yet minorities are patriotic. These are the things we must learn from Pakistan.

We have tried in future but failed.


No trolling please

Never denied that

Good points. We lack guts to attack Pakistan because of external pressure which we will face from other countries after we attack, not that we are better.

And yet minorities are patriotic. These are the things we must learn from Pakistan.

We have tried in future but failed.


No trolling please

On the contrary, if india did attack Pakistan you would have the full backing and support of the west. They would probably join you in a joint attack on Pakistan and in the very least supply you with all the latest western military hardware and spare parts.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

India can say whatever it wants, hardly bother Pakistan in shape or form. But when the yanks open their mouth against Pakistan mini nukes, its quite silly of them, because as we speak, they themselves are indulged in making new generation of tactical nukes and deploying them against Russia in Europe, which is making Putin quite angry.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/09/26/nuke-s26.html

 

[Curious_Guy]

Why does the poster believe that if India fancies an attack inside Pakistan she would be successful , Our forces are there for a reason , and i also dont agree with the soviet general

 

[Mrc]

I've a question for my pak friends...

Do you "seriously" think that India- a comparatively powerful, huge and ancient country is afraid to death about your mini nukes?

Or may be...

its just common sense that when trying to be a modern economic powerhouse, it helps to avoid a nuke-war with a comparatively weak, small and newcomer country which sends groups of terrorist thugs now and then, kill few dozens and die anyway.

Oh! and did i mention...your country is full of religious fanatics ready to kill themselves in the name of ideas only 1200 years old.

I think its probably logical to stay away from such people.

Actually u have a choice.... u can choose to be afraid of bigger ones ...we really dont care.......
Oh did i mention the stink arising fron your country from all the out door shitti*g that goes on there??


Dude cap it..... given the poverty in india... pakistan us a heaven

 

[Albatross]

I've a question for my pak friends...

Do you "seriously" think that India- a comparatively powerful, huge and ancient country is afraid to death about your mini nukes?

Or may be...

its just common sense that when trying to be a modern economic powerhouse, it helps to avoid a nuke-war with a comparatively weak, small and newcomer country which sends groups of terrorist thugs now and then, kill few dozens and die anyway.

Oh! and did i mention...your country is full of religious fanatics ready to kill themselves in the name of ideas only 1200 years old.

I think its probably logical to stay away from such people.

Cheetan Beta you forgot we ruled this a comparatively powerful, huge and ancient country for almost a thousand years completely so stop what you are smoking and come in the real world.


Pakistan has no interest in scaring Indians or any other race for that matter all we want is the solution of Kashmir dispute as per UN resolution giving Kashmiris right to self determination.

Anyways you are new to forum and we will educate you as we did to many others of your kind and will try to get rid of all the brainwashing done by your media and likes of Modi and RSS.

 

[NABZ]

Wonder who says all these tale to you?

And Pakistan nuclear program was funded by all Gulf countries. As Pakistan named it as first Islamic bomb and requested for aid. US spent some 120,billions just to maintain and upgrade it's current stock. Now think about your economy, nuke size and quality (good quality less maintenance) etc.

you are comparing 6000 nukes with 100 or 125 nukes. yah good comparision.

 

[sonicboom]

How about shame in a country 7 times larger but still cant do shit?

How about you split us into two now? 71 you were in the advantage due to obvious geographical reasons. what did you do in 2001?Nothing. What did you do in 2008? Nothing. You knew the moment you cross you will be getting a bloody nose.

You are absolutely right. Under those circumstances, it was near impossible for any army to fight. However, if we recall 1962 when India invaded China, Indian soldiers were still remembered till today to set world record in 100 meter race by running backwards while leaving all their equipment in the hands of Chinse army. China, after cleaning and polishing, returned all the left over equipment back to Indian army.

 

[IceBreaker]

Tactical nukes on a frigate - how that sounds?
Tactical nuka cola launcher on a missile boat?
How about tactical nuka grenades?
Fat boy?
Tactical nuke throwing robot?
Liberty Prime?

You sir, made my day