Hello gentlemen and PC,
If I had been reading the posts on this board correctly---then many of the posters have stated pakistani origin pilots and maintenance staff working in qatar / uae---flying maintaining and managing the fleet. So, my conclusion was that by this time they would have enough experience to help manage the pakistani fleet---for that reason, PC, I stated the the m2k's would be a shoe in as compared to the blk 52 which would be a totally new plane----possibly hardly anything compatible with the older version. Sarcasm aside---I want you to find out with a cool mind as to how much time it takes for a pilot to excel on an aircraft like the blk 52---but instead of doing any research and trying to find the right answer, you want to slam my statement back at my face.
My goodman---25 years ago I was also someone with a pakistani mindset---till I arrived in the u s one day---when I joined my auto engineering class I found out to my amazement and shock that whatever you know about the car---you open up the owners manual and look up everything step by a step even though you know everything----well in pakistan at that time---it would have been considered a matter of shame to open a book to do your job---because the famed Saadi Shirazi I believe stated that the books are a load for the donkey---intelligent men have everything in their brains---well it took awhile to get out of that mindset---now it is a matter of habbit---if there is anything contradictory to my belief---I look it up and find an answer before calling the other person ill-informed or less than truthful---but this thing is a learning experience----.
For that reason when someone asks me to post a link for something very basic that is available on the web that just lights up a flame----so please talk to people and friends and and find out the right answer and if I am wrong---god bless you, I will learn something new and then we can possibly go out and have a drink or two---coffee tea or soda whatever.
Araz---I don't know if you remeber that the french in the 60's put a sanction on the mirages manufactured for israel. Isarel was in love with that plane. They found out that the french had allowed the swiss to manufacture the plane----I don't know if the swiss ever manufactured the mirage or not---but the israelis found out that the designs were stored in a storage with minimal security. Now, I have read the story about it some 15 years ago---I don't remeber clearly---but the weight of the blue prints in all was over one ton---close to two. So---sanctions have visited a few---.
M2k-5 is a far superior plane than any bird in our inventory alongwith JF 17. Even m2k is as good a plane than any in pak inventory as of yesterday---let me ask you this---if a paf pilot can compete and outdo an F 16 flying his F7PG at times---I don't have any doubt in my mind of him taking this bird to its flying limits and when he does that----he has covered every single one of iaf aircraft mano a mano except for the su 30---.
You see I am going back to the transition in the early 90's to m2k----the payment of the F 16's should have been stopped immediately----a law suit filed in the u s court for a breach of contract right up front---and the money diverted to the procurement of the m2k's. The PAF would have moved along a totally different tangent----I keep on repeating the intensity of the threat level from across the border---people say that india also has m2k's---big deal---but they fail to realize that they don't have the paf pilots to fly them.
This issue of BVR that we are arguing today for the last many many years----who would have thought about such a thing like a paf fighter interceptor without bvr with the m2k's.
Now the question keeps on arising where would the money come from---some of it from EXPATS. By proper marketing and planning the expats would have helped their PAF to stand upto iaf any time everytime financially. You expats on this board tell me---would you have said no to a 100-200 500 or a 1000 dollars---not me----after the nuclear explosion the indian expats sent in 15---20 billion dollars----pakistanis hardly sent anything because our DEAR NAWAZ SHARIF put a restriction on foreign currency movement. We had the ability to send in at least 4---6 billion dollars---but our govt policies failed us.
We talk about the imminent threat from india----but we do nothing concrete about it except that we can lob some of our nukes at their houses---.
PAF are warriors----warriors by tradition are not good deal makers---it is not in their blood to haggle about things like price and accounting---warriors are also proud people---it is an inherent trait for being a fighter---that is where you need money men with pragmatic jewish kind of thinking to be your deal makers and deal breakers.
At the end of every discussion I want to ask this question---who benefitted the most from the breakup of this deal----the finger is always pointed towards india---as I state again---if paf had swithced over to the m2k's in the early 90's----the f 16's would have been a thing of the past by now---paf would have flying overlooking a different horizon---. All my attempts are trying to make my readers understand the importance of a NOW SCENARIO. All nations raise and maintain their armed forces for a now scenario---well in most of the feedback that I am getting---that scenario and the importance of it is totally misunderstood---the answer comes back to what we are going to have in 3 to 5 years from now.
What I am trying to say over here in so many post is that even after 5 years from today we won't have anything to show against the strike aircraft sitting on the tarmac at srinagar millitary air port.
We have one brand new aircraft after the other coming into the air force---the JF 17 is still a baby---it will take many a years to learn its full potential---FC 20---we won't even get it till 2014 if all goes well---we don't even have the engine for it yet---I am trying my hardest to make you people understand that you are putting all your eggs in a " baskjet "---whose strengths and weaknesses have never been proven yet. It is becoming so unbelievably difficult to get this point through---we are discussing the strategy and wargame and defence of a nation----and people are talking about 5 years from today. Amazing it is---
sometimes I just get blown away.
inspite of french imbargoes. I think our Governments just lack the guts to do something as bold as the israelis. However, they have uncle sams backing because uncle Sams pulse and purse strings are in their hands
. Man may Allah keep you happy.
. PAF pilots have already said that JF17 is almost equally as good as F16 Block 15, and Block 15 is an amazing machine. The second batch of JF17 will include better avoinics, radars and better suites; its going to be equally as good as Block 52 if not better. Just think about it, if this plane didnt fullfill PAF's requirment they could have easily spent that money buying EF, Rafaele or Grippen. 
