Pakistan's Loss: A Disaster or a Blessing

[UKBengali]

I've been hearing Walton "started exporting" something since forever. What was it refrigerators to Thailand in 2015? Mobile phones to India in 2016? Motorbikes to Nepal in 2017?

I guess no repeat orders because everyone figures out its made in china scam in the end . I mean where is the sustained ACTUAL exports in the years AFTER starting a little trial of 1000 units (that likely accumulate dust in some warehouse afterwards?...coz ppl figure out its junk)

Theres a reason your economic complexity and realised numbers (lets face it, years have passed already...plenty of time to build up some trend in 2017 if it exists) stays stuck:

https://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/visualize/tree_map/hs92/export/bgd/all/show/2015/

https://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/bgd/


So lets see for 2015:

BD RMG ratio = 32.3/35.7 = 90.5%

NON-RMG exports = 3.4 billion USD

For 2017:

BD RMG ratio = 35.8/39.2 = 91.3% (and actual increase on reliance on RMG)

NON-RMG exports = 3.4 billion USD (stagnant...there's after all a reason Walton delayed an already tiny export target by 10 years lol)

Of those tiny NON-RMG exports, the electronics/maunfacture/MVA stuff blah blah blah (promised since 2015 and before) is....zilch and their growth is next to zilch. Can easily explore OEC as much you want to. Wanna bet how its gonna be in 2020?

In fact what happens when a large rich country removes zero-tariff access to BD? (just a tiny touch too):

Yep you guessed it:

BD exports to USA (from comtrade):

2015 = 6.2 billion USD

2016 = 6.1 billion USD

2017 = 5.9 billion USD

Yep super reliant expansionary trend there!...esp when just the slightest level playing field crops back in!

So everyone ought to be cautious before they go all in on the BD miracle blah blah nonsense.... I can post BD energy consumption next, it will shock ppl here that respond to this post....and completely verifies why BD "growth" is largely inflation based (and the bow will break badly the longer it goes on, like it already has done with real household income decline)....and why Harvard projects 4% long term (actual diverse) growth only.

[/USER]

Are you aware that @Indus Pakistan has completely changed his mind on BD economic prospects after researching about BD and looking at it from neutral perspective?

Just see this thread about what he really thinks about where BD is heading:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/walton-starts-tv-export-to-europe.614828/#post-11391671

And no he is not trolling.

He only thinks that BD is destined to be the first developed county in S Asia! I think that looking that far ahead has too many variables but it would not be all that much far out, as the area that was BD may possibly have been the richest on the planet just over 2 centuries ago - it's ship technology was so advanced that the British used BD built ships in Chittagong during the Battle of Waterloo, which were better than their own ships.

I must admit that I have come to respect the guy as he proves that people can change(did troll the Rohingya issue back in 2017 which made me angry) and come to a fair and balanced opinion.

And I will just ignore most of your garbage that you spent too much of your free time writing up/researching and just focus on Walton.

Walton totally dominates the BD home electronics market. It has a majority chunk of the fridge market and also coming up to half of the TV market. BD home appliance sector is growing at double-digits due to ever increasing prosperity and this will only go into a higher gear as BD has just reached the magical 5K per capita PPP from where consumption levels really take off.

Have you any idea what the fact that a German OEM is willing to use TVs produced in BD actually means? They are only the most quality conscious country in the whole of Europe after-all! And your rubbish about Walton just being a front for Chinese tech is just desperate fabrication from a person that has had a painful reminder on February the 27th of the real relations between India and Pakistan - they only beat the nonsense out of your "pilot" for the world to see and your "leader" begging Pakistan to release him.

 

[ps3linux]

I have North American passport. I can travel any country any time. A random guy from Rawalpindi lol doesn’t worth my time. You are simply not on my league.

Oh don't worry about it, we can catch up in states east coast/west coast, Canada Greater Toronto/B.C all the same. Don't need to brag what passport I carry or for which ones I do qualify, just muster up some courage. and yet your kind could find time to blabber about as long as it could be done from a safe distance.

Coward is coward will be.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

has completely changed his mind on BD economic prospects after researching about BD and looking at it from neutral perspective?

Yes, I have. I won't hide the fact that I still carry hatred for your country from 1971 and always will. As a young person in 1971 I was heavily influenced by my family. My maternal uncle was a soldier in Bangla and I have heard from him first hand of the treachery of Banglas which has left a lasting impression on me.

Be that as it may, however I am able to look beyond my ingrained prejudice. And I was entirely serious. If I was to bet [which I don't] I would think Bangladesh will be the first developed country of the erstwhile British Raj. Annoyingly I have began to buy shirts, trousers, suits badged 'Made in Bangladesh'. First it ws cheap stuff like simple T-shirts but now even expensive stuff is begining to come from Bangladesh.

I also am aware that the socio-economic structures that underpin large scale garment industry tend to evolve into more complex manufacturing. Home electronics like fridges, TVs over time to PCs and laptops to eventually cars etc. The thing underpining it is female literacy, female empowerment, human resource developement which is reflected in declining BD population growth. All these are pointers to BD panning out as the future economic tiger. And you have a secular government that means business and does business. No ummah or idealogical delusions but straightforward business.

And the results show. In addition being one ethnic, cohesive society gives it the edge like other East Asian countries ~ South Korea, Taiwan etc.

 

[UKBengali]

Yes, I have. I won't hide the fact that I still carry hatred for your country from 1971 and always will. As a young person in 1971 I was heavily influenced by my family. My maternal uncle was a soldier in Bangla and I have heard from him first hand of the treachery of Banglas which has left a lasting impression on me.

Be that as it may, however I am able to look beyond my ingrained prejudice. And I was entirely serious. If I was to bet [which I don't] I would think Bangladesh will be the first developed country of the erstwhile British Raj. Annoyingly I have began to buy shirts, trousers, suits badged 'Made in Bangladesh'. First it ws cheap stuff like simple T-shirts but now even expensive stuff is begining to come from Bangladesh.

I also am aware that the socio-economic structures that underpin large scale garment industry tend to evolve into more complex manufacturing. Home electronics like fridges, TVs over time to PCs and laptops to eventually cars etc. The thing underpining it is female literacy, female empowerment, human resource developement which is reflected in declining BD population growth. All these are pointers to BD panning out as the future economic tiger. And you have a secular government that means business and does business. No ummah or idealogical delusions but straightforward business.

And the results show. In addition being one ethnic, cohesive society gives it the edge like other East Asian countries ~ South Korea, Taiwan etc.

Thank you for your honesty here.

I suppose there is nothing I can say that will make your change your opinions about BD. There is always two sides to every story.

Hasina is overdoing the anti-Pakistan rhetoric and she needs to take a take some lessons from Imran Khan on leadership qualities. After Hasina is gone(she cannot really carry on after this term due to age) then there is a chance that the next generation of leaders will be more open to better relations with Pakistan.

I hope that one day that BD and Pakistan may be able to leave the past behind and co-operate for mutual benefits.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Thank you for your honesty here.

I suppose there is nothing I can say that will make your change your opinions about BD. There is always two sides to every story.

Hasina is overdoing the anti-Pakistan rhetoric and she needs to take a take some lessons from Imran Khan on leadership qualities. After Hasina is gone(she cannot really carry on after this term due to age) then there is a chance that the next generation of leaders will be more open to better relations with Pakistan.

I hope that one day that BD and Pakistan may be able to leave the past behind and co-operate for mutual benefits.

Nice sentiments but it probably won't happen due to the huge geographical distance between Pakistan and bangladesh.

 

[UKBengali]

Nice sentiments but it probably won't happen due to the huge geographical distance between Pakistan and bangladesh.

What does 2000 km geographical distance have to do with it?
Pakistan trades with the USA and Europe that are far further away.

I am sure that Pakistan can earn a lot of money by exporting agricultural products to land-scare BD and earn lots of money from tourism. Pakistan has amazing scenery, great food and very hospitable people.

 

[Bengal71]

Thank you for your honesty here.

I suppose there is nothing I can say that will make your change your opinions about BD. There is always two sides to every story.

Hasina is overdoing the anti-Pakistan rhetoric and she needs to take a take some lessons from Imran Khan on leadership qualities. After Hasina is gone(she cannot really carry on after this term due to age) then there is a chance that the next generation of leaders will be more open to better relations with Pakistan.

I hope that one day that BD and Pakistan may be able to leave the past behind and co-operate for mutual benefits.

Imran Khan is a good man and I respect him. But I don't think someone like Hasina needs to take any lesson from him. Hasina is a very astute politician with a background of grassroots politics by herself, her father, her family and the older leaders of AL.

 

[UKBengali]

Imran Khan is a good man and I respect him. But I don't think someone like Hasina needs to take any lesson from him. Hasina is a very astute politician with a background of grassroots politics by herself, her father, her family and the older leaders of AL.

What I meant was just purely on her needless anti-Pakistan rhetoric
as that is not how a mature leader should behave.
Yes by all means call Pakistan to account for 1947-1971 but she is just overdoing it.

 

[Bengal71]

What I meant was just purely on her needless anti-Pakistan rhetoric
as that is not how a mature leader should behave.
Yes by all means call Pakistan to account for 1946-1971 but she is just overdoing it.

I think her government took up the policy of doing it first against Pakistan than reacting after Pakistan does something.

During the trials of Rajakars, Pakistan was issuing statements, condemning and even discussing in their parliament. So it seems Hasina took the policy of continuously attacking and put Pakistan on the defensive. Very clever I would say.

 

[UKBengali]

I think her government took up the policy of doing it first against Pakistan than reacting after Pakistan does something.

During the trials of Rajakars, Pakistan was issuing statements, condemning and even discussing in their parliament. So it seems Hasina took the policy of continuously attacking and put Pakistan on the defensive. Very clever I would say.

Yes, Pakistan deserved that but she is still overdoing it even now.

 

[Bengal71]

Yes, Pakistan deserved that but she is still overdoing it even now.

I think this will change soon. Imran is a smart man, he is not responding to Hasina's attacks, giving the silent treatment, making her irrelevant. Hasina is very clever, she will understand this and change course, I don't know what her next move would be though.

 

[CHACHA"G"]

Look at these 2 post of you . . This is never about economy for you and people like you … You and people like you always try to malign Pakistan , always boost about BD ,,,, never talked about positive things of Pakistan or open threads with positive titles ( with title Pakistan Is way ahead ) for Pakistan or Pakistan Achievements .. I always sae tittles BD left Pakistan behind , BD this NBd that good , Pakistan this bad and that bad...….
Stay honest just like your current favourite indus Pakistan and say the truth ,.... @Nilgiri

What I meant was just purely on her needless anti-Pakistan rhetoric
as that is not how a mature leader should behave.
Yes by all means call Pakistan to account for 1947-1971 but she is just overdoing it.

Yes, Pakistan deserved that but she is still overdoing it even now.

 

[Nilgiri]

Are you aware that @Indus Pakistan has completely changed his mind on BD economic prospects after researching about BD and looking at it from neutral perspective?

Just see this thread about what he really thinks about where BD is heading:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/walton-starts-tv-export-to-europe.614828/#post-11391671

And no he is not trolling.

He only thinks that BD is destined to be the first developed county in S Asia! I think that looking that far ahead has too many variables but it would not be all that much far out, as the area that was BD may possibly have been the richest on the planet just over 2 centuries ago - it's ship technology was so advanced that the British used BD built ships in Chittagong during the Battle of Waterloo, which were better than their own ships.

I must admit that I have come to respect the guy as he proves that people can change(did troll the Rohingya issue back in 2017 which made me angry) and come to a fair and balanced opinion.

And I will just ignore most of your garbage that you spent too much of your free time writing up/researching and just focus on Walton.

Walton totally dominates the BD home electronics market. It has a majority chunk of the fridge market and also coming up to half of the TV market. BD home appliance sector is growing at double-digits due to ever increasing prosperity and this will only go into a higher gear as BD has just reached the magical 5K per capita PPP from where consumption levels really take off.

Have you any idea what the fact that a German OEM is willing to use TVs produced in BD actually means? They are only the most quality conscious country in the whole of Europe after-all! And your rubbish about Walton just being a front for Chinese tech is just desperate fabrication from a person that has had a painful reminder on February the 27th of the real relations between India and Pakistan - they only beat the nonsense out of your "pilot" for the world to see and your "leader" begging Pakistan to release him.

Thats why I tagged him. So he knows if its not anything that actually requires some form of actual MVA, it stays stagnant as all hell....and the initial order news don't pan out to squat in the end. It is all a made in china skirmisher model. BD does the 1% scouting, China gets the 99%....nothing of worth actually given/transferred/retained so the scouts can actually become warriors....and thus they remain lackey scouts.

The numbers (years after) don't lie....neither do the falling off of actual sustained exports following up the "buy 1000, get 1000 free" kinda intro crap. If you talk to someone that actually runs things at Walton, you would know ....its all a front company.....all puckered up even more after the huge stock market collapse BD had those years back.

This is also why Bangladeshis do atrociously economically when they migrate to greener pastures too....just no acumen or aptitude.....just lazy and get taken advantage of by ppl that want to actually get somewhere....and then they screeech at everyone being racist and unfair to them because they are being "held back on purpose" or whatever other conspiracy fits the bill:

Unfortunately beneath the polite veneer, British are a racist lot.

Add to that, if consumer countries start to just scale back the special LDC rates a tiny bit, BD exports of the usual cheap chaddi start to slip in proprotion (that they definitely CANNOT hold up in level playing field environment and need to be propped up).

Like I said, you can post any follow up news you have for the thailand refrigerators for example...announced in 2015 for example. On OEC it doesn't even show up in 2017 (given we were promised 100's of millions and billions of consumer good exports from BD by then itself).

3.4 billion non RMG exports stagnancy is real and alive. Should we look at service exports next?

Now @Indus Pakistan can look at the energy consumption Bangladesh does compared to Pakistan:

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.PCAP.KG.OE?locations=PK-BD

When did Pakistan consume 222 kg of oil equivalent per capita? The graph doesnt go back that far it seems. 50s? 60s?

LDC handouts for RMG, chinese scams for non RMG, bottom 10% economic performance among emigrants to the west, miniscule energy consumption, braying 3 million in the autocracy....yet other numbers of the autocracy are to be believed verbatim?....none of it is laundered inflation? Given household income decline?

 

[UKBengali]

Thats why I tagged him. So he knows if its not anything that actually requires some form of actual MVA, it stays stagnant as all hell....and the initial order news don't pan out to squat in the end. It is all a made in china skirmisher model. BD does the 1% scouting, China gets the 99%....nothing of worth actually given/transferred/retained so the scouts can actually become warriors....and thus they remain lackey scouts.

The numbers (years after) don't lie....neither do the falling off of actual sustained exports following up the "buy 1000, get 1000 free" kinda intro crap. If you talk to someone that actually runs things at Walton, you would know ....its all a front company.....all puckered up even more after the huge stock market collapse BD had those years back.

This is also why Bangladeshis do atrociously economically when they migrate to greener pastures too....just no acumen or aptitude.....just lazy and get taken advantage of by ppl that want to actually get somewhere....and then they screeech at everyone being racist and unfair to them because they are being "held back on purpose" or whatever other conspiracy fits the bill:



Add to that, if consumer countries start to just scale back the special LDC rates a tiny bit, BD exports of the usual cheap chaddi start to slip in proprotion (that they definitely CANNOT hold up in level playing field environment and need to be propped up).

Like I said, you can post any follow up news you have for the thailand refrigerators for example...announced in 2015 for example. On OEC it doesn't even show up in 2017 (given we were promised 100's of millions and billions of consumer good exports from BD by then itself).

3.4 billion non RMG exports stagnancy is real and alive. Should we look at service exports next?

Now @Indus Pakistan can look at the energy consumption Bangladesh does compared to Pakistan:

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.PCAP.KG.OE?locations=PK-BD

When did Pakistan consume 222 kg of oil equivalent per capita? The graph doesnt go back that far it seems. 50s? 60s?

LDC handouts for RMG, chinese scams for non RMG, bottom 10% economic performance among emigrants to the west, miniscule energy consumption, braying 3 million in the autocracy....yet other numbers of the autocracy are to be believed verbatim?....none of it is laundered inflation? Given household income decline?

Is this the best you can come up with?
He simply is not buying your crap as he has a mind of his own and can look past his personal feelings and analyse objectively.

Unlike you he has some credibility as not only does he have a personal grudge against BD(for reasons that are valid unlike whatever reason you have) he also is a "Think Tank Analyst" on the forum.

Now have some shame and go away after what Pakistan did to your "military" on the 27th of February this year. Getting your ***-whipped by a country 1/7th in population size and 1/10th the economy shows why you lot have been slaves for the better part of the last millennium. Maybe Pakistanis are right that one of them is worth 10 of you lot!

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Fact: the destruction of Two Nation Theory was a blessing for Bangladesh. There is no way

When did Pakistan consume 222 kg of oil equivalent per capita? The graph doesnt go back that far it seems. 50s? 60s?

Wow. That is shocking. Looking at the graph you would have to go back to 1950s Pakistan. Shockingly low use of oil.