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Pakistanis spend more time in schools and colleges and graduate at a higher rate than their Indian counterparts in 15+ age group, according to a report on educational achievement by Harvard University researchers Robert Barro and Jong-Wha Lee.

In a recent Op Ed titled "Preparing the Population for a Modern Economy" published by Pakistan's Express Tribune, Pakistani economist wrote as follows:

"Pakistan does well in one critical area — the drop-out rate in tertiary education. Those who complete tertiary education in Pakistan account for a larger proportion of persons who enter school at this level. The proportion is much higher for girls, another surprising finding for Pakistan."

Upon closer examination of Barro-Lee data on "Educational Attainment for Total Population, 1950-2010", it is clear that Pakistani students stay in schools and colleges longer to graduate at higher rates than Indian students at all levels--primary, secondary and tertiary. While India's completion rate at all levels is a dismal 22.9%, the comparable completion rate in Pakistan is 45.7%.

Here is a summary of Barro-Lee's 2010 data in percentage of 15+ age group students who have enrolled in and-or completed primary, secondary and tertiary education:

Education Level.......India........Pakistan

Primary (Total)........20.9..........21.8

Primary (Completed)....18.9..........19.3

Secondary(Total).......40.7..........34.6

Secondary(Completed)...0.9...........22.5

College(Total).........5.8...........5.5

College(Completed).....3.1...........3.9

It shows the following:

1. India's overall schooling rate of 67.4% exceeds Pakistan's 61.9% in 15 and over age group.

2. Pakistan's primary schooling rate of 21.8% is slightly higher than India's 20.9% of 15+ age group

3. India has a big edge with its secondary enrollment of 40.7% over Pakistan's 34.6%, but India's completion rate at this level is a dismal 0.9% versus Pakistan's 22.5% of the population of 15+ age group.

4. India's tertiary education enrollment rate of 5.8% is higher than Pakistan's 5.5%, but Pakistan's college and university graduation rate of 3.9% is higher than India's 3.1% of 15+ age group.

5. Pakistan's combined graduation rate at all three levels is 45.7% versus India's 22.9% among the population age group of 15 years or older.

Barro-Lee data also shows that the percentage of 15+ age group with no schooling has gone down in both nations in the last decade, particularly in Pakistan where it dropped dramatically by a whopping 22% from 60.2% in 2000 to 38% in 2010. In India, this percentage with no schooling dropped from 43% to 32.7% of 15+ age group.

The Aug 23 & 30, 2010 issue of Newsweek had a cover story titled "The Best Country in he World is...". It ranked top 100 nations of he world based on education, health, quality of life, economy and politics. On education, Newsweek ranked Pakistan 86 and India 88 among 100 nations it included.

Clearly, both India and Pakistan have made significant progress on the education front in the last few decades. However, the Barro-Lee dataset confirms that the two South Asian nations still have a long way to go to catch up with the nations of East Asia and the industrialized world.

Haq's Musings: Pakistan Ahead of India in Graduation Rates at All Levels
 
Thats why quality of Higher education varies, Indian Institute of Technology and Indian Institute of Management are disinctive bodies that shown the world that Indian higher education in south aisia is best,
 
Thats why quality of Higher education varies, Indian Institute of Technology and Indian Institute of Management are disinctive bodies that shown the world that Indian higher education in south aisia is best,

A few IIT campuses can not make up for the the serious deficiencies among the rest of Indian schools.

Here's a WSJ piece on the quality of the product of Indian education:

BANGALORE, India—Call-center company 24/7 Customer Pvt. Ltd. is desperate to find new recruits who can answer questions by phone and email. It wants to hire 3,000 people this year. Yet in this country of 1.2 billion people, that is beginning to look like an impossible goal.

So few of the high school and college graduates who come through the door can communicate effectively in English, and so many lack a grasp of educational basics such as reading comprehension, that the company can hire just three out of every 100 applicants.

India projects an image of a nation churning out hundreds of thousands of students every year who are well educated, a looming threat to the better-paid middle-class workers of the West. Their abilities in math have been cited by President Barack Obama as a reason why the U.S. is facing competitive challenges.

Yet 24/7 Customer's experience tells a very different story. Its increasing difficulty finding competent employees in India has forced the company to expand its search to the Philippines and Nicaragua. Most of its 8,000 employees are now based outside of India.

In the nation that made offshoring a household word, 24/7 finds itself so short of talent that it is having to offshore.

"With India's population size, it should be so much easier to find employees," says S. Nagarajan, founder of the company. "Instead, we're scouring every nook and cranny."

India Graduates Millions, but Too Few Are Fit to Hire - WSJ.com
 
Ahem Ahem data for India is very outdated. Try 20 years old. :cheesy:

Apendix Table: Page 46. Nice try though.

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can we promote blogs here? :what:

By the way, you may want to see this


AlSo, if India>US, and according to Ria Haq, Pak>India,

Therefore, Pakistan's education>US education

and still Pakistani students run for US Education ... oohh man .. this means lack of knowledge about their own system ..Even Riaz Haq took education outside Pakistan ..
 
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Let's not confuse "schooling" with "education / learning / awareness".

If we really want to see great examples of "educated" people, then see the students from China. They possess unstoppable focus on learning. While Pakistanis focus on international/outward religiosity. The result has been terrible for Pakistani students.

While Chinese students are welcomed in the West for higher education and jobs, thank to their peaceful humble behavior in Chinese universities, Pakistani students are shunned and punished for their poor behavior in Pakistani schools.

How many times do you hear Chinese students going around local campuses in China, punishing those who do not follow specific ghunda-type Mullah fatwas? Never.

We on the other hand tolerate nay encourage ghunda-gardi (national and international) in our campuses.


Thus it is overall behavior of students that really counts in the end, and not how many hours you spend in school.

Schools are not simply certificate printing presses, they must produce peaceful, humble, tolerant, un-fanatic, hardworking individuals. Unfortunately Pakistani schools may win on some stats, but they are miserably failing in producing law abiding citizens.

Look at Karachi city. It has the 90+% literacy rate, and yet it has produced one of the biggest fascistic party in the country.

are MQM wallahs go around setting example of peaceful tolerant and humble educated people. No.
Do Jamatis in Lahore /Punjab campuses set examples for the best character compared to Indian or Chinese. Heck no.

Peace.
 
And here's what World Bank has to say,


The Pakistan higher education sector is predominantly public in nature, with public Higher Education Institutions (HEIs) dominating both the university/DAI and College sectors (table 1). The HE sector enrolls less than 4% (including colleges) of the age cohort, and compares unfavorably with countries such as India at 11% and Malaysia at 32%.

http://siteresources.worldbank.org/EDUCATION/Resources/278200-1121703274255/1439264-1193249163062/Pakistan_countrySummary.pdf
 
How Can you Compare India with Pakistan.

India is a Huge country with 120 crore population.

If India is Catching up means it is a great achievement.
Many of the state government have provided free meals to Children in government schools which will bring results.
Right to Education will also have some impact on Education in India.
But Government (State & Central) should make sure that the quota for poor kids in Good schools over India is properly utilized.
 
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