Pakistani Muslims failed to repay - Indian Muslims are still paying with their lives for Partition : (late) Dr. Israr Ahmed

[aryadravida]

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

No shit.

 

[Tornado23]

I mean... Hes not wrong.

 

[StormBreaker]

@The Eagle Kindly ban the thread for provoking titles.

Dr Israr was a legend regardless, He was the wisest scholar Of his time most probably

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Can you really call it blaming when we accept it as one of the greatest thing we ever did

 

[AgnosticIndian]

Can you really call it blaming when we accept it as one of the greatest thing we ever did

yeah, it's not "blaming" really. "condemning" would be a better term. but then it's probably well known in Pakistan that Deobandi and other similar scholars didn't like partion. not news.

 

[The Eagle]

What he says about Pakistani Muslims has to be seen in a context when Pakistanis failed West Pakistan mostly because of political delusion. Secondly he pretty much explained the situation of Indian Muslims as well.

title

corrected accordingly

 

[fitpOsitive]

Thanks for sharing. Nice sare. Actually, the video was about something else, but anyway a good reminder.

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

He is saying that we established Pakistan on the blood of Muslims but did not fulfilled the true purpose of establishing Pakistan.So he is frustrated.
The purpose of establishing Pakistan was to ensure religious, political and economical security of subcontinental Muslims.

You should see the context of speech also before putting up title.Creating Pakistan was not bad,but how we fuc#ked the whole system up with corruption, injustice,dirty politics etc. is the thing that is bad.

 

[kingQamaR]

The Old gentleman, in the video. thinking is wrong like many like him because even if we had no Pakistan Indian Muslims were doomed any way when British Raj empowered Hindus Sikhs when they left. Muslims people died in the western land that became Pakistan defending its religion land and family, I’m not sure what else they wanted us to do stay in india all be killed off from Peshawar to Calcutta ridiculous logic

 

[Kambojaric]

Not buying this one bit. Pakistan has gone out of its way to embrace Pan-Islamic causes most of the time to its own detriment. If Dr Sahab wants to talk about Indian Muslims then in 1965 one of the pivotal reasons for Operation Gibraltar failing was because there was no Kashmiri uprising against Indian rule like we had envisaged(1). On the contrary local Kashmiri Muslims informed the Indian authorities of Pakistani military activity.

If you want to scroll back further then in1947/48 the Sher e Kashmir Sheikh Abdullah sided with India over Pakistan(2). The Muslims of Kashmir who actually made an effort to free themselves and rose up against Maharajah/Indian tyranny formed Azad Kashmir and GB. As for modern Indian Muslims please just watch this (3).

1.
VICE ADMIRAL TAJ M. KHATTAK (R)
leading to ‘Operation Gibraltar’ in Indian Illegally Occupied Jammu and Kashmir and eventually a full scale Indo-Pak War a few months later. Had local populace of Kashmir shown a fraction of support for these forces, of what the world is seeing these days, the map of Kashmir would have been much different, but that was not to be. https://www.hilal.gov.pk/eng-article/detail/NDM5Nw==.html

2. https://www.dawn.com/news/1510590

3.

 

[MultaniGuy]

yeah, it's not "blaming" really. "condemning" would be a better term. but then it's probably well known in Pakistan that Deobandi and other similar scholars didn't like partion. not news.

You told you this crap?

Are you a Pakistani? You are not, so don't talk on behalf of Pakistanis.

Dr. Israr Ahmed said he supported partition. Now shoo!

I have not seen the video, nor do I have to, but the Muslims wanted partition.

Many Deobandi Muslims did support partition. Stop spewing crap here with you incomplete knowledge

Not buying this one bit. Pakistan has gone out of its way to embrace Pan-Islamic causes most of the time to its own detriment. If Dr Sahab wants to talk about Indian Muslims then in 1965 one of the pivotal reasons for Operation Gibraltar failing was because there was no Kashmiri uprising against Indian rule like we had envisaged(1). On the contrary local Kashmiri Muslims informed the Indian authorities of Pakistani military activity.

If you want to scroll back further then in1947/48 the Sher e Kashmir Sheikh Abdullah sided with India over Pakistan(2). The Muslims of Kashmir who actually made an effort to free themselves and rose up against Maharajah/Indian tyranny formed Azad Kashmir and GB. As for modern Indian Muslims please just watch this (3).

1.
VICE ADMIRAL TAJ M. KHATTAK (R)
leading to ‘Operation Gibraltar’ in Indian Illegally Occupied Jammu and Kashmir and eventually a full scale Indo-Pak War a few months later. Had local populace of Kashmir shown a fraction of support for these forces, of what the world is seeing these days, the map of Kashmir would have been much different, but that was not to be. https://www.hilal.gov.pk/eng-article/detail/NDM5Nw==.html

2. https://www.dawn.com/news/1510590

3.

If you are a Muslim in India, then obviously you have no choice but to be nice as a minority.

but in Pakistan we get to call the shots.

Idiot, Dr. Israr Ahmed, said Pakistani Muslims failed, because we did not create an Islamic country.

In that sense he is right.

Dr. Israr Ahmed did not say partition was wrong.

Many Islamic scholars agreed with partition such as Chaudhry Niaz Ali Khan.

 

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because we did not create an Islamic country.

what's an Islamic country ?

 

[MultaniGuy]

You have taken his sermon out of context, you idiot.

He said Pakistani Muslims failed to create an Islamic society. In that sense, yes.

but he never said partition was wrong, you moron.

I don't know what's with Urdu speakers and thier obssesion with pakistanis doing something for Indian Muslims

We owe Indian muslims who stayed nothing

That is also my opinion as well. We owe Indian Muslims absolutely nothing!

For Indian Muslims, Republic of India is their country, like Pakistan is ours.

what's an Islamic country ?

You moron, applying Islamic justice, giving people fair economic opportunities, getting rid of nepotism and bad politics.

In that sense, we have failed. We still need to fix Pakistan.

When I think of partition, I usually think about the creation of West Pakistan.

As for Bangladesh it should have been a separate country in 1947.

 

[TigerOfMysore]

Israr may have been a good man, but that does not make Israr right all the time.
Israr's (may not have said it directly) mindset is the mindset of Mahdudi the founder of JI, who was vehemently opposed to the creation of Pakistan. These types of guys if you listen to them even today will say Pakistan should not have been created. They enjoy the luxury of the Pakistani state but within its ranks argue against its creation. In any other normal country, even the most liberal of states, if you argue against the national construct of a state that is called sedition and you will go to jail for a long time. Only in our country such people are given respect and made members of parliament, instead of rotting behind jail and having their property confiscated.
Till we as a nation are no longer scared of calling crooks, crooks, and traitors, traitors, we will continue to squalor in this misery. The fact that men like Acakzai and Pashteen and Dawar and M Fazlul-Rehman walk around with the swagger we are done for it. Pakistani state is getting weaker by the day and its institutions are falling apart.

In any state the institutions are the Parliament, the Courts, the Executive, the Military and the Press.
I give an F grade to 4 out of the 5. How long do you think non-working institutions can go on before it begins to unravel the country. Not long.