Pakistan-US joint air exercise - Falcon Talon III

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

They can mouth off all they want, the fact is USAF is always very keen to test it's best with the PAF, apart from our F-16s, they even tested the F-22 against our humble F-7.

They are just doing simulation scenarios to make their own jets more potent and see how different world air-forces approach fighting their platform


History of American friendship with Pakistan


WAR ON COMMUNISM SLOGAN OBJECTIVE

• 1951 Questionable Assassination of Liaqat Ali Khan who wanted a Universal Foreign policy with out being polarized with one Super Power. The Assassination mirrors Assassinations done across decades, to create favorable circumstances in country (Global phenomenon, where influence is needed)
• Post 1965 , sanctions on Pakistan, India loaded up on weapons
  
• Post 1971 , sanctions on Pakistan, BBC and western Media's love affair with India
• Post 1990, reduced importance with Pakistan
• Request for awacs was denied to Pakistan
• Post 1999, sanctions on Pakistan , requests for Pakistan to give up Nuke sign treaties, F16 fleet was starting to slow down and under immense pressure for next 15 years

WAR ON 7 COUNTRIES SLOGAN OBJECTIVE

• 2003-2015 Afghan ill advised war pushed Terrorist bombing into Pakistan
• 2004 Told we would get OHP , Global cutters for navy nothing came only 1 stripped down ship came
• 2005-2008 Ops to remove Musharraf , facilitation of NRO and bring back corrupt elements back into Pakistani Politics. Easy access to Visa approvals and entry and exit of contractors , assassins and Spies
  
• 2007-2010 Illegal CIA/Contractor based operation inside Pakistan collecting Data and fake medical operations impersonating medical care
• Post 2010, undeclared hurdles and denial of stuff to Pakistan
• 2011 , American attack on Pakistani Check post
  
  • Cancellation of Agreed upon F-16 post attack , F16 deal was a symbolic apology
  • Various world war historic sites recording US at war with Pakistan in FATA when war was never against Pakistan.
  • Detonation of Largest None Nuclear weapon Near our borders
  • Multiple contractors and even Military general caught killing Pakistani Citizens flown out of country secretly out
• 2013-2017 Countless reimbursements delayed
• 2007-2017 Advance Military Technology distribution to India (3rd party route via Israel/Direct Special Waivers)
• 2018 Delays in Super Cobra (Suppose to get these in 2014)

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Economic Terms

• Proxy wars in Afghanistan resulted in 99% reduction in Tourism in Pakistan since 1970's, damage of 200-300 Billion Dollars to Pakistan over 30-40 years
• Burden of housing 10 Million refugees also drained Pakistan's GDP

 

[VCheng]

They are just doing simulation scenarios to make their own jets more potent and see how different world airforces approach fighting their platform


History of American friendship with Pakistan

• Post 1965 , sanctions on Pakistan
• Post 1971 , sanctions on Pakistan
• Post 1990, reduced importance with Pakistan
• Post 1999, sanctions on Pakistan
• Post 2010, undeclared hurdles and denial of stuff to Pakistan
• 2011 , American attack on Pakistani Check post
  
  • Cancellation of Agreed upon F16 post attack
• 2013-2017 Countless reimbursements delayed

There is also a corresponding list of many positive things between the two countries over that period of time too. Let us be fair and not forget that.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Better to kiss a Momba snake then to shake hand with Uncle

 

[Irfan Baloch]

That is an unfair generalization. The overriding principle is to serve US national interests, and when and where they align with Pakistan's, it always gets 100% support from just about everybody. Joint exercises are just one part of it.

I had a corporate training in a US company about general rules of conduct.
one thing that was stressed by the HR manager was that its up to the receiver's perception of your words or actions NOT what you meant to say or do. sadly that's what we see when on one hand we are being lambasted for playing own game and told to respect the other neighboring countries (excluding Iran) and on the other Pakistan breakup and carving out a Balochistan from Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan is discussed in the US Senate.

so thanks for clarification but all we see is obsession against Pakistan NOT really American interests, if there was any such desire of national interest then first thing would have been to keep a check on Northern Alliance and how its leadership is ensuring that the conflict continues so that it continues to milk the Americans. and keep the attention on blaming Pakistan

 

[VCheng]

I had a corporate training in a US company about general rules of conduct.
one thing that was stressed by the HR manager was that its up to the receiver's perception of your words or actions NOT what you meant to say or do. sadly that's what we see when on one hand we are being lambasted for playing own game and told to respect the other neighboring countries (excluding Iran) and on the other Pakistan breakup and carving out a Balochistan from Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan is discussed in the US Senate.

so thanks for clarification but all we see is obsession against Pakistan NOT really American interests, if there was any such desire of national interest then first thing would have been to keep a check on Northern Alliance and how its leadership is ensuring that the conflict continues so that it continues to milk the Americans. and keep the attention on blaming Pakistan

I am sure you realize that the part in bold works both ways, right? If there is perceived obsession against Pakistan on one side, then there is ample hatred for USA on the other. (For example, saying Mericunts is fine in this thread above, apparently, but saying something like it back would be an instaban. )

Regardless of the perceptions, I am quite sure that saner minds will work things out for both sides in this ongoing matter.

Better to kiss a Momba snake then to shake hand with Uncle

Except when Uncle comes bearing gifts for the little ones. Then we have tea and biskoots together.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Better to kiss a Momba snake then to shake hand with Uncle

you kiss the mamba i shake hands

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I am good if Pakistan should send them a post card f the joint training


Send this one start of year

Send this one during mid year

Stay away far as possible from American issues focus on own national issues


Hand this to anyone who feels a bit teary eyes about missing their American Dinner pals
Time to forget about those fancy NGO organized night parties and night of splendor and excitement

Pass this to all the voices who miss those evenings of dance and casual talks and music

They understand this better, lot more meaningful
We don't need to be involved in their dirty deals

Simple post card

Song dedicated to the final final , 100% final break up

 

[MIRauf]

DefenceReader, Its kind a off topic from this thread. The Chinese have faced more US ELINT flights close to its borders then likely any other country. In return Chinese have learned a lot from these flights and some more with F-8 vs EP-3E Hainan Island Incident.One has to admire some of the ELINT aircraft Chinese are producing.

Does USAF knows a thing or two about J-10C that we arm chair Generals don't ? probably, the espionage works both ways, things / secrets get out. I think USAF is more into what J-20 can do then what J-10C can do. My statement of "F-22 above Pak airspace" was more akin to folks worrying about Pak defense secrets being revealed during the exercise then anything else.

As for Quantum Radar, I will let RF/Radar expert to answer what benefit could have it brought to PLAAF by bringing it to exercise vs using it in South China Sea.

Irfan Baloch, Dana Rohrabacher is on Indian Payroll, he picked up where Larry left off, Pak can counter ( Balochistan ) it with their own Lobbying if they such desire ( Free Khalistan movement. ) One just have to be active participant in US Congress Lobbying.

 

[Hayreddin]

Problem is with two extreme thoughts . Suggestion of Rejecting joint excercise with Us doesnt mean we going for direct conflict or having such excerices doesn't really means both are trustworthy allies again .
Unfortunatley in last 2 decades there is genetic malfunction developed in our armed forces officers that whenever they are engaged in a argument regarding Us pak relation and if it turns out to be like having dignified stand in various matters ( as Ik did recently ) they at once jump out to extreme , " Hey we can't confront US , they are super power bla bla .."
No one is asking you to have head on collision with Super power ..thats fooly . But the point is very simple that diplomaticaly and militarily pakistan should align and postion according to its vested interests but like a soveriegn nation in a dignified way .
History teaches us US is not a trustworthy ally . Pakistan should more tilt itself toward Russia and china , making its relations more sttong with eurpean nations specially germany and at same time normalizing its ties with US , help them out of Afghanistan if they really wana move out . Engage russians ,Chines , japanies , european companies economicaly in CPEC .

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Pakistan has no interest in any Global Game , we want good relation with all nations of world and benefit from cultural exchange with people who respect our values and our way of life

It is a very simple philosophy , respect others as they respect you. If you are treated badly just walk away from those folks

These Training are not necessary in present atmosphere

 

[Hayreddin]

Military relations have developed on a seperate track and are great backchannels for diplomacy.

But these backchannel military diplomacy presented with perception of watching US interests due to few policy makers indviduals vested interests in post retirement lucarative offers . I said this is perception and its about few not all of ghem . So let the politcians be on driving seat aith advisory of think tanks from various armed forces .

Pakistan has no interest in any Global Game , we want good relation with all nations of world and benefit from cultural exchange with people who respect our values and our way of life

It is a very simple philosophy , respect others as they respect you. If you are treated badly just walk away from those folks

These Training are not necessary in present atmosphere

Agreed but pakistan is already pushed into ground of global game you have no choice you are already one of the player . But safe play and securing ur interests in defensive way would be more suitable.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Ffs ... it's only a training exercise. Go for it. Turkey, that much touted friend of Pakistan is part of NATO and holds land, sea and air exercises regularly. It even had them with Israel and will do at some point in the future again. But on the other hand they are not averse to buying Russianm S-400 missiles or saying "no" to USA when they wanted access to attacxk Iraq ~ unlike Pakistan which said "yes' to access Afghanistan.

Yet over a feeakin exercise people are making a big drama over it .....

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

EX Girl friend the one does not want but still cannot see in others arms...

So is this how it feels when you watch an EX?

 

[JohnWick]

Red flag at home.

 

[ZedZeeshan]

So is this how it feels when you watch an EX?

I think you never had a girl friend...