Pakistan-Turkey 4 Milgem Ada Class Corvettes Contract - Construction started

[Rafi]

About PN or PAA?

Both.

 

[mingle]

Both.

Eager especially PAA what shows Up??

 

[Yasser76]

As-159 is basically British Aws heli ie Lynx modified version that pn was trying to get rid of [emoji6]

No, very different beast all together. Basic airframe the same but very different. Like camparing F-15A with F-15Q

 

[Yasser76]

Steel cut on 4th MILGEM at Karachi, pic shows launchers for CAMM-ER and what I think maybe Wild Cat AW159!!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1404765702465196036

 

[Akh1112]

Steel cut on 4th MILGEM at Karachi, pic shows launchers for CAMM-ER and what I think maybe Wild Cat AW159!!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1404765702465196036

they change them every time wtf.

Also, thats the proprietary British VLS which absolutely sucks, i sincerely hope thats not what is selected. I measured the cutout to be Sylver A43 size. Aside from that they speced 16 missiles with only 12 being shown there.


more importantly, those AShM canisters imply its gonna be a new missile, probably PNs supersonic one.

 

[Pakistan Ka Beta]

STEEL CUTTING OF MILGEM CLASS CORVETTE HELD AT KARACHI SHIPYARD & ENGINEERING WORKS

https://twitter.com/x/status/1404769253518155776

https://twitter.com/x/status/1404769256177287174

https://twitter.com/x/status/1404769258089992196

#SteelCuttingCeremony of fourth MILGEM Class Corvettes for Pakistan Navy was held at #Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works (KS&EW), Pakistan. Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Muhammad Amjad Khan Niazi graced the occasion as Chief Guest. The event marked an important milestone in the construction schedule for fourth MILGEM Corvette for PN. Pakistan Navy has concluded contract with M/s ASFAT for construction of 04 x corvettes out of which two are being constructed at Istanbul Naval Shipyard whereas the remaining two at Karachi Shipyard and Engineering Works. These corvettes will be fitted with state-of-art Surface, Sub-Surface and Anti-Air Weapons & Sensors, integrated through an advanced Network Centric Combat Management System. Speaking at the occasion, Chief of the Naval Staff expressed that it is a matter of pride to witness the Steel Cutting of fourth PN MILGEM Corvettes at KS&EW. He added that it is a historic occasion as Ministry of Defence Production, Pakistan Navy, Karachi Shipyard and M/s ASFAT of Turkey have joined hands for construction of this Corvette. The Admiral in his address said that today's event is a defining moment to further cement the bond of friendship between the two strategically aligned nations with common shared values, culture and principles. Naval Chief acknowledged the commitment and dedication of KS&EW and M/s ASFAT for meeting the challenging construction schedule despite ongoing global pandemic. The induction of MILGEM Corvettes will significantly enhance maritime defence and deterrence capabilities of Pakistan Navy. These corvettes will become a core element of PN's kinetic response to traditional and non-traditional challenges and to maintain balance of power in the Indian Ocean Region.

 

[gmres]

Curious

1. If PN Milgem Corvettes / Frigate is better than Ada Class, higher tonnage etc, then why PN simply not opt for the I - Class frigate, which already had VLS and which was approved for production for the Turkish Navy?

2. Jinnah Class looks closer to the Tf - 2000 Frigate, 5000 Ton Class destroyer, with emphasis on AAW, with slight PN modifications e.g LACM?

TF-2000 is above 7000 tonnes of full displacement.

Ada Class was designed to fulfill a role, ASW-Escort and Littoral Patrol corvette.

I Class was re-designed Ada class, customized for Turkish Navy's need as an escort frigate. I class also incorporates a new integrated mast with additional bays for sensors. It was aimed to have 16/32 diagonal launcher tubes, designed to have superior sea-keeping for blue water operations.

Jinnah Class was a re-designed Ada class, customized for Pakistan Navy's need with customized equipment's.

Ada class is also customized as intelligence ship and OPV for Turkish Navy, and corvettes for Ukraine.

they change them every time wtf.

Also, thats the proprietary British VLS which absolutely sucks, i sincerely hope thats not what is selected. I measured the cutout to be Sylver A43 size. Aside from that they speced 16 missiles with only 12 being shown there.


more importantly, those AShM canisters imply its gonna be a new missile, probably PNs supersonic one.

As requested by Pakistan
The design has gone through one major re-design, 2 minor re-design. Great opportunity for future cooperation as Both engineers work on the project.

 

[Tipu7]

Steel cut on 4th MILGEM at Karachi, pic shows launchers for CAMM-ER and what I think maybe Wild Cat AW159!!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1404765702465196036

So observations,
Each Pak-Milgem will be equipped with 12 GWS-26 VLS instead of 16 Sylver-A43 VLS. So total 12 missiles per ship.
The fire control radars have been removed for good as active RF CAMM-ER will work using two way secure data link with Smart-S radar of the warship.

12 is kinda small number. The figure of 16 was good enough. Looks like price adjustment measure... Still, an excellent warship for its size.

We will learn about its anti-ship missiles soon.

 

[gmres]

So observations,
Each Pak-Milgem will be equipped with 12 GWS-26 VLS instead of 16 Sylver-A43 VLS. So total 12 missiles per ship.
The fire control radars have been removed for good as active RF CAMM-ER will work using two way secure data link with Smart-S radar of the warship.

12 is kinda small number. The figure of 16 was good enough. Looks like price adjustment measure... Still, an excellent warship for its size.

We will learn about its anti-ship missiles soon.

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Also Chinese 3D search radar, target illumination radars were removed. Now it looks clean.
Personally i was expecting them to keep VLS platform, make it lower and fill it with 24-32 Camm-ER.

 

[Yasser76]

they change them every time wtf.

Also, thats the proprietary British VLS which absolutely sucks, i sincerely hope thats not what is selected. I measured the cutout to be Sylver A43 size. Aside from that they speced 16 missiles with only 12 being shown there.


more importantly, those AShM canisters imply its gonna be a new missile, probably PNs supersonic one.

Well it is a British/Italian missile so we may of had no choice but to use their own VLS as opposed to they Turkish one.

On another note, if that is a Wild Cat, then the UK selling us modern SAMs and choppers is a massive change as they had been very pro Indian in their stance over last 10 years

 

[Dreamer.]

So observations,
Each Pak-Milgem will be equipped with 12 GWS-26 VLS instead of 16 Sylver-A43 VLS. So total 12 missiles per ship.
The fire control radars have been removed for good as active RF CAMM-ER will work using two way secure data link with Smart-S radar of the warship.

12 is kinda small number. The figure of 16 was good enough. Looks like price adjustment measure... Still, an excellent warship for its size.

We will learn about its anti-ship missiles soon.

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What does the picture show?

 

[Akh1112]

Well it is a British/Italian missile so we may of had no choice but to use their own VLS as opposed to they Turkish one.

On another note, if that is a Wild Cat, then the UK selling us modern SAMs and choppers is a massive change as they had been very pro Indian in their stance over last 10 years

Nobody said it would be Turk VLS, i said Sylver A43. Aside from that, this is an Italian project and not a british one, the workshare and funding is majority Italian.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Well it is a British/Italian missile so we may of had no choice but to use their own VLS as opposed to they Turkish one.

On another note, if that is a Wild Cat, then the UK selling us modern SAMs and choppers is a massive change as they had been very pro Indian in their stance over last 10 years

IMHO...When the PN picked the CAMM-ER, I think MBDA Italy said, "we can guarantee this VLS right now, but we'll work on getting approvals for the SYLVER in the mean time." So the PN probably went with what's sure (and avoid T129-type issues), but it's still hoping for the SYLVER.

@Akh1112 The CAMM-ER isn't tied to one specific VLS type.

The end-user can ask for Mk41 or SYLVER. It's possible that the Turkish VLS can also be an option for this provided it meets the missile's specifications and someone pays up for NREs of integrating it.

 

[Yasser76]

Nobody said it would be Turk VLS, i said Sylver A43. Aside from that, this is an Italian project and not a british one, the workshare and funding is majority Italian.

It has British input and it may means the VLS was already adapted and a good off the shelf solution, PN may of had to pay for integrating with another, but why do that if it is working perfectly for the Royal Navy?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

It has British input and it may means the VLS was already adapted and a good off the shelf solution, PN may of had to pay for integrating with another, but why do that if it is working perfectly for the Royal Navy?

Whatever case, can we all agree the project manager for the PN MILGEM hates his life with all of these random scope changes. Man joined thinking it'd be a carbon copy version of Turkey's ASW Ada, but then added VLS, enlarged the ship, and now changed the SAMs multiple times. @SQ8