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About PN or PAA?
Both.
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About PN or PAA?
Eager especially PAA what shows Up??Both.
As-159 is basically British Aws heli ie Lynx modified version that pn was trying to get rid of [emoji6]
they change them every time wtf.Steel cut on 4th MILGEM at Karachi, pic shows launchers for CAMM-ER and what I think maybe Wild Cat AW159!!!
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TF-2000 is above 7000 tonnes of full displacement.Curious
1. If PN Milgem Corvettes / Frigate is better than Ada Class, higher tonnage etc, then why PN simply not opt for the I - Class frigate, which already had VLS and which was approved for production for the Turkish Navy?
2. Jinnah Class looks closer to the Tf - 2000 Frigate, 5000 Ton Class destroyer, with emphasis on AAW, with slight PN modifications e.g LACM?
As requested by Pakistanthey change them every time wtf.
Also, thats the proprietary British VLS which absolutely sucks, i sincerely hope thats not what is selected. I measured the cutout to be Sylver A43 size. Aside from that they speced 16 missiles with only 12 being shown there.
more importantly, those AShM canisters imply its gonna be a new missile, probably PNs supersonic one.
So observations,Steel cut on 4th MILGEM at Karachi, pic shows launchers for CAMM-ER and what I think maybe Wild Cat AW159!!!
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Also Chinese 3D search radar, target illumination radars were removed. Now it looks clean.So observations,
Each Pak-Milgem will be equipped with 12 GWS-26 VLS instead of 16 Sylver-A43 VLS. So total 12 missiles per ship.
The fire control radars have been removed for good as active RF CAMM-ER will work using two way secure data link with Smart-S radar of the warship.
12 is kinda small number. The figure of 16 was good enough. Looks like price adjustment measure... Still, an excellent warship for its size.
We will learn about its anti-ship missiles soon.
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they change them every time wtf.
Also, thats the proprietary British VLS which absolutely sucks, i sincerely hope thats not what is selected. I measured the cutout to be Sylver A43 size. Aside from that they speced 16 missiles with only 12 being shown there.
more importantly, those AShM canisters imply its gonna be a new missile, probably PNs supersonic one.
What does the picture show?So observations,
Each Pak-Milgem will be equipped with 12 GWS-26 VLS instead of 16 Sylver-A43 VLS. So total 12 missiles per ship.
The fire control radars have been removed for good as active RF CAMM-ER will work using two way secure data link with Smart-S radar of the warship.
12 is kinda small number. The figure of 16 was good enough. Looks like price adjustment measure... Still, an excellent warship for its size.
We will learn about its anti-ship missiles soon.
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Well it is a British/Italian missile so we may of had no choice but to use their own VLS as opposed to they Turkish one.
On another note, if that is a Wild Cat, then the UK selling us modern SAMs and choppers is a massive change as they had been very pro Indian in their stance over last 10 years
IMHO...When the PN picked the CAMM-ER, I think MBDA Italy said, "we can guarantee this VLS right now, but we'll work on getting approvals for the SYLVER in the mean time." So the PN probably went with what's sure (and avoid T129-type issues), but it's still hoping for the SYLVER.Well it is a British/Italian missile so we may of had no choice but to use their own VLS as opposed to they Turkish one.
On another note, if that is a Wild Cat, then the UK selling us modern SAMs and choppers is a massive change as they had been very pro Indian in their stance over last 10 years
Nobody said it would be Turk VLS, i said Sylver A43. Aside from that, this is an Italian project and not a british one, the workshare and funding is majority Italian.
Whatever case, can we all agree the project manager for the PN MILGEM hates his life with all of these random scope changes. Man joined thinking it'd be a carbon copy version of Turkey's ASW Ada, but then added VLS, enlarged the ship, and now changed the SAMs multiple times. @SQ8It has British input and it may means the VLS was already adapted and a good off the shelf solution, PN may of had to pay for integrating with another, but why do that if it is working perfectly for the Royal Navy?