Pakistan to acquire six submarines from China

[Capt.Popeye]

@ Ang,
You have very sharp eyes, muy Amigo!

 

[ANG]

Hi, thanks I try to read stuff in detail and caught that. Maybe Pakistan will be lucky and China will give it a soft loan. No western country will give them a loan.

On a side note, it is really sad to see a country of a 180M being so financially mismanaged and having such a corrupt government, just the economist/statistician in me talking.

 

[IceCold]

Hi, according to this article, the submarine purchase is still up in the air as there are no funds (3rd to last paragraph).

Saturday, March 12, 2011
Later on speaking with reporters, Senator Lt Gen (Retd) Javed Asharaf Qazi said because of current financial crunch in the economy of the country, panel could not recommend to purchase the sub-marines, though it is needed, but there is no money for the purpose, as directing to concerned officials to plan a new strategy for meet the defense requirement as keeping in view next 25 years.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

With the major chunk eaten by corruption, mismanagement, WOT.......it is not surprising that no amount is left for the up gradation of navy which is an equally important if not more arm of a countries defense which is faced by so many threats. I wonder if we actually going to realize this before or after someone actually imposes a blockade on Pakistan.

 

[Indus Falcon]

If you don;t have the money would you go talking about designing a sub? I think they are trying to put pressure on the Chinese to come up with a good financial solution.

The Chinese will most probably come up with a good solution, reason being, a strong Pakistani Navy is in their interest too!

 

[Indus Falcon]

Secondly, If you have noticed, each time Pakistan goes in for joint production / R&D with the Chinese, they end up with a much better product too.

 

[Areesh]

If you don;t have the money would you go talking about designing a sub? I think they are trying to put pressure on the Chinese to come up with a good financial solution.

The Chinese will most probably come up with a good solution, reason being, a strong Pakistani Navy is in their interest too!

I agree with Abu Nasar's post. It looks like this is a tactic by Pakistan to gain as much as financial leverage in this deal from China. Obviously nobody goes for submarine designs if it has no money to buy it.

 

[Tameem]

It looks like this is a tactic by Pakistan to gain as much as financial leverage in this deal from China.

Wrong...Its the other way around!! Chinese Authorities are foreseeing an esclation of conflicts in south china sea in proper and eventually throughout its borders in general within next half a decade and therefore all these extraordinary involvement in defence, communication etc matters of ours are the preparation of that worst case scenario.

Nevertheless, time will tell who is milking whom!!

 

[Manticore]

any timeframe of production in mind?

 

[Super Falcon]

still cabinaet has to reply i think we have to wait for next three years finally they sign on paper and chinese firm cut the steel as our navy lacklusterness we have seen wait for next 3 years time sir

 

[Areesh]

Wrong...Its the other way around!! Chinese Authorities are foreseeing an esclation of conflicts in south china sea in proper and eventually throughout its borders in general within next half a decade and therefore all these extraordinary involvement in defence, communication etc matters of ours are the preparation of that worst case scenario.

Nevertheless, time will tell who is milking whom!!

I don't know who is milking whom but it is a win win situation till now.

 

[Kompromat]

NO MORE SUBS YET

Pakistan Military Review: Senate’s Standing Committee on Defence Production Rejects New Submarine Project for PN

 

[Pak_Sher]

Yes, there is no money for the submarines since the parlimentarian looters have allocated Rs. 3.1 billion (3,100,000,000.00) for new lodges and under ground tunnel to the parliment house.

I would recommend to cancel the lodges for the looters and buy the submrines.

 

[Pak_Sher]

January 22, 2011The opposition leader wondered why the project was being initiated when several other welfare schemes were not being launched because of lack of funds. ISLAMABAD: The Leader of Opposition in the National Assembly, Chuadhry Nisar Ali Khan, has termed the Rs3 billion project of Parliament Lodges’ Phase-II an extravagance, calling for shelving it because of the economic squeeze.

In a letter written to Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani on Friday, Chaudhry Nisar expressed concern that such an ambitious project had been launched for lawmakers at a time when the nation was facing an economic crisis, said Rao Saleem, a media adviser to the Leader of Opposition.

The opposition leader wondered why the project was being initiated when several other welfare schemes were not being launched because of lack of funds.

He referred to the misery of thousands of flood victims who were still homeless and living in tents, saying they were still waiting for monetary support from the government to restart their normal life.

Under the new project inaugurated by Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani on Wednesday, two new blocks would be constructed in the compound of Parliament Lodges to house 104 family suites for lawmakers and 500 quarters for their servants.

Under the project, two new blocks will be constructed in the compound of Prliament Lodges which will have 104 family suites for lawmakers and 500 quarters for their servants.

The project has been awarded to a construction firm Habib Rafique Limited reportedly owned by a close friend of Mr Gilani.

According to a CDA official, the project had been awarded at rates 35 per cent above the estimated cost.

The new project shows the priority the government accords to plans at a time when all sides in parliament have been calling for austerity and amid demand of the opposition to cut at least 30 per cent government expenditure.

At present Parliament Lodges complex has nine blocks, including seven under the use of parliamentarians and the remaining two meant for the administration.

The existing seven residential blocks house 358 family suites against total 442 Senators and MNAs.

Nisar asks PM to shelve Parliament Lodges

 

[Pfpilot]

I'm no expert but I feel this leaves us dangerously vulnerable. We only have 3 modern subs in the Agosta 90s, that is nowhere near enough. If the PN instead bought more modern frigates, I would understand, but to neglect the navy when it is already far weaker than its Indian counterpart doesn't seem that smart. So now we have lost out on these Chinese subs and the German subs before that...whats the next step?

 

[TOPGUN]

Wow just when the news was getting better we all spoke to soon no subs for awhile.. offcourse the nation needs to stand on its feet first and kick out this courpt gov.