Pakistan seeks big powers’ help to settle Kashmir issue

[NHUDA]

You should check various studies by various organizations that have placed India in top 3 economies by 2050. Certainly by population India will the largest country in the world.

As on your rest of the post, I would repeat it....you are optimistic that Pakistan can force India to give up its territory. Not going to happen...no powerful countries give up territory. China will give up Tibet, nor Pakistan will give up Baluchistan.

As I said only solution LOC as IB with some adjustments and people given the option to migrate to India or Pakistan. This is the essence of Musharaf formula, and that is what the solution will be.

I would again want to reiterate, that India will indeed be a Great Economy by 2050,but numbers do not make the countries great alone ... i still do not see US, Russia, China relegating thr powers in future to be the major game player (unless something drastic happens) ....

and secondly ... i didn't say Pakistan will bring india to its knees to give up kashmir ... i said Pakistan can work out for a two state Solution to Palestine in coordination with Muslim Countries specifically and European Countries Generally .. thr is a Ground base for that ... once this achieve it can still use or TRY to use the same mechanism for the resolution of Kashmir which again is not giving up its territory (whole J&K) to Pakistan but only giving up the Valley to be independent .. something india can bargain for .in future (who knows) !

Same as india thinks today that it has more to loose in fighting war with Pakistan ... it may end up realising by giving up a little it can gain a lot more !

 

[Sam.]

I would again want to reiterate, that India will indeed be a Great Economy by 2050,but numbers do not make the countries great alone ... i still do not see US, Russia, China relegating thr powers in future to be the major game player (unless something drastic happens) ....

and secondly ... i didn't say Pakistan will bring india to its knees to give up kashmir ... i said Pakistan can work out for a two state Solution to Palestine in coordination with Muslim Countries specifically and European Countries Generally .. thr is a Ground base for that ... once this achieve it can still use or TRY to use the same mechanism for the resolution of Kashmir which again is not giving up its territory (whole J&K) to Pakistan but only giving up the Valley to be independent .. something india can bargain for .in future (who knows) !

Same as india thinks today that it has more to loose in fighting war with Pakistan ... it may end up realising by giving up a little it can gain a lot more !

Valley won't be given but people can run their own govt respectively. We can trade valley for Sindh though so are you going to?

 

[Soumitra]

I would again want to reiterate, that India will indeed be a Great Economy by 2050,but numbers do not make the countries great alone ... i still do not see US, Russia, China relegating thr powers in future to be the major game player (unless something drastic happens) ....

and secondly ... i didn't say Pakistan will bring india to its knees to give up kashmir ... i said Pakistan can work out for a two state Solution to Palestine in coordination with Muslim Countries specifically and European Countries Generally .. thr is a Ground base for that ... once this achieve it can still use or TRY to use the same mechanism for the resolution of Kashmir which again is not giving up its territory (whole J&K) to Pakistan but only giving up the Valley to be independent .. something india can bargain for .in future (who knows) !

Same as india thinks today that it has more to loose in fighting war with Pakistan ... it may end up realising by giving up a little it can gain a lot more !

Europe and US support Israel. Why will they support you for Palestine. When Saudi Arabia with control of World's oil could not get Palestine how can Pakistan? And with the rise of Right wing parties in Europe whatever little support you might expect is going to diminish

 

[Hephaestus]

You forgot that they also have Zaid Hamid's Roohani Fauj:

All said & done. '71 ki ladai mein kyun nahin aaye.... ye ghudsavar?

 

[NHUDA]

Europe and US support Israel. Why will they support you for Palestine. When Saudi Arabia with control of World's oil could not get Palestine how can Pakistan? And with the rise of Right wing parties in Europe whatever little support you might expect is going to diminish

US indeed will not support Palestine over israel (unless everyone else will be supporting Palestine) .... but France, Italy, Germany and many other countries are now siding with Palestine right to have a free state ... . even UK is not facing growing pressure to do so the same ... so ground work is already laid ....

again i m not saying Pakistan will lead the whole setup but it can make concrete and continuous effort to get the issue solved ... Muslim countries (Arab to be specific) have always asked for End of israel and Complete Palestine state ... but if Pakistan can coordinate with turkey, Indonesia, Saudia and Iran to agree on the two state solution . it will not take much to bring Everyone on same page, including Hamas & Fatah (PLO) ... !!

and thn israel & USA can be under UN mandate have to give into the call !

Thats why i said tht only Palestine Solution (which is more visible issue of the world) can provide a template to Kashmir solution !

 

[Tom M]

Thr is No Irony in asking P5 to raise a matter .... IF (& its a Big IF) the Security Council indeed go ahead and consider the Kashmir a Humanitarian Crises, it can make way for referendum till UN peacekeeping intervention ..

You are correct, but only if their case is represented by someone (genuine) among them (just like the Palestinian's do). As long as someone else try and represent the case/cause of Kashmir in international forums, you can't expect anything.

 

[NHUDA]

You are correct, but only if their case is represented by someone (genuine) among them (just like the Palestinian's do). As long as someone else try and represent the case/cause of Kashmir in international forums, you can't expect anything.

I agree & as we both agree Remove the Travel ban on Kashmiri Leaders and let them Travel to US for UN conventions ...

 

[Ea Returns]

I agree & as we both agree Remove the Travel ban on Kashmiri Leaders and let them Travel to US for UN conventions ...

Suit yourself. Utter UN when it's Kashmir but harbor a UN designated terrorist who openly organize rallies/public gatherings? World is fool, isn't it.

 

[Zain Malik]

.... on a wise note..... khudi ko ker blund itna.... ki harr razza se pehle khuda puche tujse bata bande Teri razza kya hai......

your poetry has gone wrong mr.

KHUD HI KO KAR BULAND ITNA K HAR TAQDEER SE PEHLE
KHUDA BANDE SE KHUD POOCHE BATA TERI RAZA KIYA HA

 

[BABA AGHORI]

your poetry has gone wrong mr.

KHUD HI KO KAR BULAND ITNA K HAR TAQDEER SE PEHLE
KHUDA BANDE SE KHUD POOCHE BATA TERI RAZA KIYA HA

Shukariya Sir g.... hope it helps ...

 

[Tom M]

I agree & as we both agree Remove the Travel ban on Kashmiri Leaders and let them Travel to US for UN conventions ...

Travel ban is and was always temporary as you may know. It is to avoid conspiracies hatched outside the nation whole the valley is still struggling for normalcy. Because it is the time to exploit the situation. Once everything is cool for sometime the ban would be lifted for sure. Every country would do that.

If the travel ban were permanent, one of the Kashmiri separatist leader wouldn't have married a woman of Pakistan origin.

 

[Counterpunch]

1950 - 98 most effective superpower backing was not enough to implement pakistani dream even when India itself was weak .... let's see which magic wand China has....
Russia..... aaamm aaahhmm aaahhhmmm


.... on a wise note..... khudi ko ker blund itna.... ki harr razza se pehle khuda puche tujse bata bande Teri razza kya hai......

Man I so hate it when someone rapes a beautiful piece of poetry. That is intellectual terrorism!

Khudi ko ker buland itna k har taqdeer se pehlay.........
Khuda banday se khud poochay, bata teri raza kya hai

What classic piece of poetry

On topic: I think this is part of diplomatic effort, nothing new. An attempt to keep it alive on diplomatic front, though Pakistan knows all too well it does not have too many friends owing to increasing polarity due to religion mixed with extremism. But efforts such as these will keep it in the news which is good enough for now

 

[BABA AGHORI]

Man I so hate it when someone rapes a beautiful piece of poetry. That is intellectual terrorism!

Khudi ko ker buland itna k har taqdeer se pehlay.........
Khuda banday se khud poochay, bata teri raza kya hai

What classic piece of poetry

On topic: I think this is part of diplomatic effort, nothing new. An attempt to keep it alive on diplomatic front, though Pakistan knows all too well it does not have too many friends owing to increasing polarity due to religion mixed with extremism. But efforts such as these will keep it in the news which is good enough for now

Yes, I knw.. Pakistan is putting alot of effort to keep it alive.. and India will make sure it becomes a dead cause asap....
Both wants to make the cost unbearable for the other side.....

 

[Lurch Adams]

All said & done. '71 ki ladai mein kyun nahin aaye.... ye ghudsavar?

The force is weak in Bongland. I should know. I live here.

 

[raj76]

I agree & as we both agree Remove the Travel ban on Kashmiri Leaders and let them Travel to US for UN conventions ...

well separatist Kashmiri leaders will have to write there identity as indian if they want passport umm actually if they do that there is nothing left to talk about