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do you have any proves of your claims that cross LOC infiltration is in increase? or y ou are just another typical bharti....
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lol 'bleed India with a thousand cuts' we dont need to do that now, indians are doing it themselve i can see some really good news from eastern part of india as far as IOK , we will take this war in you capital like yesterday ...
Guys its a disputed territory and both armies are deployed there against each other. I have my self been to many fronts along the LoC and have fired at Indian positions where 4 Rajput was deployed back in 1999.
There is no point in complaining about this incident as the incidents of sniping and machine gun fire are not unheard.
A ceasefire is agreed but its not mandatory on either parties. They respect it as long as it suits them. Normally things get hot when either side tries to establish new bunkers or positions. Its starts with machine gun fire and mortars and can escalate to heavy machine run fire and in some occasions howitzers are also involved but only if there is some heavy and aggressive movement.
Back in 1999, I visited an injured caption in CHM who got hit by shrapnel from mortar shell while he was deployed with my cousin in Bhimber sector. Both his legs were amputated and he accepted it as a an eventuality. He had been doing the same to Indians when he as directing his fire on their positions.
The thing is, the only causality here in the web are our bruised egos when one taunts the other but the consequences for these guys on either side are very serious and very real. Guys who spend time on the front and come in contact with the other side have great respect for each other. They dont have times for the tantrums we post about each other.
Peace with Pakistan at this moment doesnt fit the Indian armys strategic planning and they as true enemy want to keep Pakistan forces under pressure while its engaged with an insurgency for over a decade now. Therefore we see that no matter what party forms the government in India, any solution, be it Kashmir, Siachin or sir-creek is impossible when any bilateral progress between the two movements is stalled because of the Indian Armys opposition to any such move.
So shortly, expect to see more incidents like these that can escalate to small skirmishes to even something bigger, followed by flagstaff meetings and temporary ceasefire and then back to the same incidents again.
We should put up signboards saying that those who cross the LOC must be prepared to come face to face with death.
WHICH GREAT NATION ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? AND KEEP UR SOLDIERS A KILOMETER AWAY FROM LOC OR ARRANGE SOME EMERFENCY SERVICE TO RESCUE THEM WHEN WE WILL COME TO PUSH THEM BACK........
Thanks for your post and I respect your disagreement with my bolded part. I will have a read about Kyanis alleged disagreement, although I will look it up but will appreciate if you can pass me the link, I have unfortunately missed that news. But indeed there are many reports about Indian Army being a hurdle in the peace process.
I also respect your comment about Indian civilian government being able to control the army no the other way round and having a continuous democratic governments is just an example to see that. What happens behind the scenes is well its all guess work and I have my own take and I dont force it on yourself or others.
Peaceful resolution shows moral and physical strength and maturity among the counter parties not the cowardice. We, the people of this subcontinent deserve a peaceful and harmonious life without threat just like the Europeans are now enjoying. But like I said there are hurdles and it is challenging to achieve the peace but we both desire it.
It is only polite to provide you with reference to support my comment like I asked you for one. It is from Dawn news ( which is a Pakistani paper) but has links to the original content of the diplomatic cables.
Indian army hurdle in way of Siachen solution | Pakistan-Papers | DAWN.COM
Before the discussion gets dragged into a moral argument of who is preventing peace and who isnt, I must say that my comment was just a judgement over the Indian army, they are very much part of the Indian state and they have their stake and say just like Pakistan army has in Pakistan. Whether their influence supports any permanent resolution and solution of our core disagreements is something that is debatable.
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thanks I am reading this through, you posted before I could post my reply. so ignore my request in my earlier post
Thanks for your post and I respect your disagreement with my bolded part. I will have a read about Kyanis alleged disagreement, although I will look it up but will appreciate if you can pass me the link, I have unfortunately missed that news. But indeed there are many reports about Indian Army being a hurdle in the peace process.
I also respect your comment about Indian civilian government being able to control the army no the other way round and having a continuous democratic governments is just an example to see that. What happens behind the scenes is well its all guess work and I have my own take and I dont force it on yourself or others.
Peaceful resolution shows moral and physical strength and maturity among the counter parties not the cowardice. We, the people of this subcontinent deserve a peaceful and harmonious life without threat just like the Europeans are now enjoying. But like I said there are hurdles and it is challenging to achieve the peace but we both desire it.
It is only polite to provide you with reference to support my comment like I asked you for one. It is from Dawn news ( which is a Pakistani paper) but has links to the original content of the diplomatic cables.
Indian army hurdle in way of Siachen solution | Pakistan-Papers | DAWN.COM
Before the discussion gets dragged into a moral argument of who is preventing peace and who isnt, I must say that my comment was just a judgement over the Indian army, they are very much part of the Indian state and they have their stake and say just like Pakistan army has in Pakistan. Whether their influence supports any permanent resolution and solution of our core disagreements is something that is debatable.
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thanks I am reading this through, you posted before I could post my reply. so ignore my request in my earlier post
next time i dont want to hear that our brave soldier martyred without killing the enemies......next time if they fire then teach them a lesson..........
I salute the guardians of my country
Pak army zindabad
Appreciate your reply , will respond later , got work now.
FurthermoreQuotes from the wikileak about Kyani
Miliband thought the remaining obstacle was Pakistani military chief staff general Kayani; he remained 'reluctant' and needed to be persuaded," the cable said.
But the cable does not clarify Miliband's view of Gen Kayani or details of the latter's reluctance. The cable also does not clarify that Gen Kayani's reluctance was about the deal struck by Zardari and Singh and not about resolution of the Kashmir issue
i damn care what people across the border think........the thing i care about is my soldiers who are protecting us day and night from the evil intention of manySome one like you in India may simply be thinking that finally Indian army has started teaching Pakistani army a lesson.. Its a vicious circle mate..
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i am enjoying my stay on the forum............ and why dont u go and read your history....anyway before pointing your fingers at us can u tell why your leaders went to tashkund in 1965.lol..I know what you read in your history books...welcome to the forum...enjoy your stay while you learn more.
Our soldier didn't tried to cross the border he was in neelam valley (Azad kashmir) when died!!!