asaad-ul-islam
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no "dude", I pretty much know that old frigates and subs like agosta-70 or daphne class will be replaced, but probably not anywhere near the amount you're thinking. we're ordering OHP class which are pretty old. even with the written amount of budget, the army overspends. there's some controversy going on right now, I think as a matter of fact about the hidden expenses that the army keeps from the govt.Still your navy does not operate on an infinite budget
Assad defence budget or no defence budget, it does not matter, all these aquisitions will have a set budget and would have been planned in consultation with the executive and the remining arms, so navy cannot go on in an endles purchasing spree. It will simply result in your bean counters diverting funds from other arms.
Dude for the n th time I repeat these are replacements for your older frigates and subs...
the air samply had nothing to do with failure, actually it proved the fact the pakistan tested a plutonium device, which we never claimed to do. most of pakistan's test were successful with controversy, just like India's.Assad there has been intesnse speculation and controversy over the success of the tests , based on air sample. The point is , every design will have certain flaws and these tests are to identify such flaws and rectify and streamline the design.
exactlyYup , sources say that of, the number of tests carried out , two of them especially did not produce expected yeild, so again the scientists had to go to the drawing board, hey but them we can find the equation of state using super computers ...
IPF so far you've given the most absurd statements concerning pakistan's nuclear weapons. the articles that clearly state the pakistan has nuclear capable cruise missiles should make it clear, but you're going to say that it's worthless, right?Assad this is the most absurd statement I have ever heard, the budget is relevant for every nation including China and India. If according to your estimates, if the budget is irrelevant, then you'd already be either bankrupt or your air arm would not have the cash to order to hundred odd J17. Period
must I go through our "bankrupt" past where we drained our economy on defense? since the 90's, we've did either of the following: (guessed estimates)
Pay our debt (40-60% budget)
Defense budget(20% budget)
development/whatever (everything else)
most of our money didn't go into the conventional side, it actually went to the nuclear detterent and delivery systems.
the link I posted says otherwise, there's more if you want.Nope , it is still difficult to buy computers with robust architecture, any university can erect an grid an claim to have super computer, but the point of the matter is, is it robust enough.
i actually have a PS3, but wow seriously?Guess what , your PS2 can perform better than their super computer.
not in pakistan or perhaps even the US. over here in Pakistan. technology has to first come into the military then civilian sector. no where will you see anything on sensor network architecture(C4i/net centric warfare, etc.) in Pakistan or any of its univ. does that mean pakistan does not have this base?Dude super computers begin in civilian laboratories and end up in millitary hands, not the other way around. Building them is no big deal , but perfecting it is the problem and for that you need heck a lot of professors , Univ's working in that area..
Pakistan always has secret "black" projects that run on the "black budget". we didn't know about cruise missiles until it was tested, right? similarily we have to rely on rumours on what pakistan has and doesn't have and believe me, almost everyone here probably has a family member in the military. it's actually military officials who are put in charge of these projects, with no trace of it at all in the civilian sector.
pakistan won't release any information on its prowess in military tech to the public, that's what the ISPR is for. india will announce its intent before it even begins on the project.
show me anything that has to do with missiles, in pakistani univ.Show me, at the minimum Pakistan has grid computing infrastructure first..
Chinese supercomputer headed to top ranks - CNET News.comForget it , Its funny how you can assume that they will transfer such a key and sensitive tech to you in a platter, for which they have toiled for years. ahaam it ain't happening boss, at best they might allow you to run simulation tests in their computers, but then you don't have enough experts to write the code because you did not have the infrastructure to test the code in the first place.
ITworld.com - China to crack supercomputer top 10 list
IndustryWeek : China's High-Tech Export Threatens U.S. Competitiveness
denial, if indians claim that pakistan got nukes from china, i don't see why my statement matters anyway.
um actually here's a link on chinese hackers stealing precious US military tech.Yeah yeah , the hackers and 007s .. and blah blah ... dude for petes sake such software and grids are connected using seperate lines and do not run on lines provided bu ISP's...
Chinese hackers breach US military defences - Software - Breaking Business and Technology News at silicon.com
sigh ... why am i even bothering with an indian who can't accept that fact that pakistan has nuclear weapons, why?Simple, Pakistan by now would have reliable (by your standards) nukes that can be deloivered by BM, SLBM and aircrafts. Period. Pakistan does not have reliable technology to miniaturise nukse that can be mated into cruise missiles. Even if you miniaturise, your engineers do not have infrastructure to test it, that means it is not yet reliable, so givne the resources , Pakistan might mate one or two nukes with cruise missiles, dont expect more...
this is almost as stupid as Vajpayee saying, after the "thermonuclear" test that didn't come out to be, "we have the big bomb now!"
pakistan has had MIRV-ed ballistic missiles(for a while now), nuclear-capable cruise missiles, and bombs that can be delivered from aircraft. SLBM is a bit far off, we also don't have the need for it considering the fact that we can do the same thing with SLCM.
pakistan did a hot test in 1998, but we've been doing cold tests for a while now. the more we did tests, the more compact our designs became. however, miniaturisation for uranium becomes impossible after some point. if we want to MIRV our missiles, the only logical choice would be with a plutonium warhead.
the air sample you mentioned concerning plutonium can be proof of the fact the we can MIRV our missiles. that fact that we are using plutonium warheads for BM and CM's, means that we realized that we can't miniaturised uranium warheads after a certain point.
as for miniaturisation, we don't have proof that india can do it either. but you state that supercomputers will help, and I state that we have what we need but we won't mention it (which we never do, but look at what we have now). neither arguments of ours hold that much ground in terms of facts. so pakistan is where india is at, for that much of a fact.