Pakistan officially inducts HQ 9 Air Defence system

[khanasifm]

Ok confirmed paa air defence administer the system but overall command with paf and in network you cannot be by your self otherwise you may end up fratricide

All paa pn paf and civil air defence are part of command and control with paf


End of story

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Karachi has a sea port and Lahore can never have that strategic importance hence in case of war, army can even sacrifice Lahore for saving Karachi if they left with no option. Simple as that whether pdf Lahoris like it or not.

Brother we are not living in the 70's era and don't be pessimistic never thought a statement coming from you like that. We will defend every inch of our land and there is more chance of India disappearing if things came to that stage. India is just an elephant can be brought down to the ground just breaking one leg, have confidence in yourself and Iman. We have got differences but when push come to shove united Pakistani's are not born to get defeated.
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Was just adding up a spice :p

 

[The Terminator]

In continuation of my earlier post, pay attention to hatches on the firing module. And you’d see that their location on Uzbek and Pakistani systems is different from vanilla HQ-9/A.
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From these photos we might deduce that Pakistan got new version of FD2000 with some extra love toppings and spices from China and Pakistan to make it to the "HQ-9P" standard

 

[khanasifm]

Pakistan Army commissions HQ-9/P air-defence system

The Pakistan Army's (PA's) Air Defence forces have inducted into service a variant of the Chinese-made HQ-9 surface-to-air missile (SAM) system, according to a 14...

www.janes.com

The HQ-9/P can operate as part of an integrated air and missile defence network, meaning that it will be used to “significantly enhance” the ‘Comprehensive Layered Integrated Air Defence (CLIAD)' along Pakistan's frontiers, noted the ISPR.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

BTW curious to know , how much this procurement cost us. This is a heavy ticket item. After 8 submarines deal, this perhaps the most important buy among all the branches of Pakistan's military.

To me in the last two decades, our most important buys have been 18 F16s block 52 along with AIM120C5s, which we got it thru CSFs. Then, it was the 8 subs deal with China. Not the type 54As or Turkish Milgems but the submarine deal is the single most important strategic weapon systems which we will be start getting by 2024 and lastly these HQ9 SAMs. Buys like these directly upset enemies war plans and their thinking.

Other important buys have been Saab AWACS but they are more like a force multipliers. J10s will be good addition as well but we will be having similar system like them already i.e.block 3 jf17 so to me, after block 52 and aim120c5 bvr missiles, HQ9 procurement stands top of it along with the 8 subs deal in the last 20 years or so.

 

[EternalMortal]

Lahore is symbolic but doesn’t stop Pakistan’s war effort from moving forward. Just because PML(N) decided to make Lahore their entire focus doesn’t mean its advanced infrastructure or food scene have actual contributions to ensuring men & material can be thrown into the defense of the country.
Karachi can be bombarded all over but that is where it needs to be protected due to it providing the lifeline to the Sea and the facilities at SITE,KPT and Port Qasim.

Everything you have provided in Lahore’s defense is purely symbolic and nothing more. Lahore can be leveled to the ground but if the port facilities near Karachi(and Gwadar) keep functioning the rest of the country will continue to operate. Lose the ports and then you can happily go to wagah and twist your mooch on a donkey because no fuel is coming in to run your vehicles.

Sorry, but this is complete nonsense. Lahore isn't just a city with good food & cool architecture. It contributes a lot to the country's economy, food security & human resources. Plus it has a strategic location. Look at the map below. You lose all that plus you'll have an otherwise avoidable refugee crisis with all the lahoris & surrounding areas. All the farmers in b/w lahore & the other cities are also gonna flee since their areas are now going to be battlefields so your food security just took a massive hit. On top of that, you'll also need to allocate resources to take back lahore. Resources that could have been used elsewhere. Karachi's port is also important but it's less so with gwadar & maybe even other ports in future.

 

[Gripen9]

Ok confirmed paa air defence administer the system but overall command with paf and in network you cannot be by your self otherwise you may end up fratricide

All paa pn paf and civil air defence are part of command and control with paf


End of story

Thank you for confirming.

I had mentioned that in another thread (https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/hq-9...e-and-pakistan-air-force.237643/post-13357008) , it is an integrated command (PakADGE) Pakistan Air Defense Ground Environment (that is me using an acronym from the 80s )

The only modification that may have been made to the HQ-9B > HQ-9P is addition of a dedicated Pakistan 2 way datalink ala Link-17 so data can be shared with various sensors be it PAF AEW/C platforms or TPS 77 / YLC radars or even fighter platforms for complete situation awareness.

 

[The Terminator]

But we actually don't know what's the exact range of HQ 9P.
Its either 125km or 250km but its name is not giving us clarity about range

For that we would have to wait for another abhi none done. Even then Army might decide to not to waste a missile on those kind of useless targets.

 

[Aesterix]

I doubt that. Doesn’t make monetary sense (or sense otherwise). The missiles and the launchers would be from an existing system, the most they’d modify is sensors, data links etc (which do seem to be modified). PA is paying to buy the system, not to design, test and create a new one. The system is very likely an HQ-9B with some changes.

You got it all wrong
These systems are highly modular, comprising of many different modules.
If a customer specified change is to be made, it's just a swap of a certain module with something else, and that doesn't cost a lot.

 

[Ali_Baba]

My attempt at what this means in real terms with some placements around Kashmir, Lahore(!!), Karachi and Gawadar. Very extensive when you consider the overlapping areas with high Kill probability in those areas. Pakistan literally needs just 4 systems for this coverage. ( am sure AD folks will do a better job of placement but when you factor the other systems already in place in Pakistan, you can see that Pakistan now has a very good defence setup, one that means even it an aircraft throws some SOW at Pakistan - Pakistan can reach out and shoot down that aircraft over Indian terrority as it attempts to retreat. ).

If you consider that the HQ16 with its 40/50km range giving it a diameter of 100km and the Crotales, and Spada's you can see Pakistan now has a very dense multi-layered defence network and the HQ9 and the HQ16s have been the game changers to make that happen.

At some point when the HQ-9C is made available to Pakistan and it buys a batch of them also - it will make the above map even more interesting!

PS - Does anyone have access to Mathworks? Interesting tool to plot the coverage this puppy will give Pakistan now. 250km range missile means it can cover a 500km diameter interms of defensive cover for a battery with a high kill probability 200km NEZ diameter cover.

Planning Radar Network Coverage over Terrain - MATLAB & Simulink - MathWorks United Kingdom

This example shows how to plan a radar network using propagation modelling over terrain.

uk.mathworks.com

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Sorry, but this is complete nonsense. Lahore isn't just a city with good food & cool architecture. It contributes a lot to the country's economy, food security & human resources. Plus it has a strategic location. Look at the map below. You lose all that plus you'll have an otherwise avoidable refugee crisis with all the lahoris & surrounding areas. All the farmers in b/w lahore & the other cities are also gonna flee since their areas are now going to be battlefields so your food security just took a massive hit. On top of that, you'll also need to allocate resources to take back lahore. Resources that could have been used elsewhere. Karachi's port is also important but it's less so with gwadar & maybe even other ports in future.

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May ALLAH forbid, if Lahore is gone it means Delhi, Ahmedabad, Bombay, Madras, Calcutta etc. are gone too!! Now, Marwari/Parsi/Jain etc. tycoons, who control everything in India including BJP/RSS/Hindutva etc., are no fools!!! They know Dubai and Abu Dhabi, where they park their wealth and mistresses, will be gone too….

 

[The Terminator]

BTW curious to know , how much this procurement cost us. This is a heavy ticket item. After 8 submarines deal, this perhaps the most important buy among all the branches of Pakistan's military.

To me in the last two decades, our most important buys have been 18 F16s block 52 along with AIM120C5s, which we got it thru CSFs. Then, it was the 8 subs deal with China. Not the type 54As or Turkish Milgems but the submarine deal is the single most important strategic weapon systems which we will be start getting by 2024 and lastly these HQ9 SAMs. Buys like these directly upset enemies war plans and their thinking.

Other important buys have been Saab AWACS but they are more like a force multipliers. J10s will be good addition as well but we will be having similar system like them already i.e.block 3 jf17 so to me, after block 52 and aim120c5 bvr missiles, HQ9 procurement stands top of it along with the 8 subs deal in the last 20 years or so.

Why do you randomly pick and choose?

Type 54AP frigate is the most advanced Pakistani frigate with much better Air Defence capabilities and all new VLS launch systems. It would provide PN with all new capabilities and would be the tip of the spear for PN surface fleet for the foreseeable future. And here you are downplaying it as if it's just another patrol vessel.

J-10s and JF-17s are of different weight classes with entirely different aerodynamic configuration. J-10C is comparable to the latest F-16 blocks, and with canard-delta design + thrust vectoring engine it surpasses the F-16s in some categories.

AEW&C are crucial assets for any military today with their highly capable long range flying radars, massive communication nodes working like a flying regional command and control system with latest data link along with Airborne Early Warning and EW flying giant. It was one of the most vital system employed why Pakistan massively outmatched and outsmarted India in Feb 2019 skirmish. Any modern military fighting without these assets would effectively be fighting while being blind and deaf.

Apart from that yeah absolutely, submarine deal is one the most important and big ticket deal for Pakistan.

 

[The Terminator]

It's neither A nor B nor C. We got it changed to fit our requirements. Trust me it would be way different from any existing version

HQ-9BP

Or

HQ-9CP

 

[HRK]

our most important buys have been 18 F16s block 52 along with AIM120C5s, which we got it thru CSFs

just for sake of record

- full amount was paid by Pakistani government coffer ..... CSF was not used to pay for F-16 blk-52+ purchase

- CSF is also our own money which we used to spend in advance on operations in support of US WOT and US was in agreement to reimburse our expenses

- US till to date has not settled our expenditures not even the amount already approved by US congress for reimbursement.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Why do you randomly pick and choose?

Type 54AP frigate is the most advanced Pakistani frigate with much better Air Defence capabilities and all new VLS launch systems. It would provide PN with all new capabilities and would be the tip of the spear for PN surface fleet for the foreseeable future. And here you are downplaying it as if it's just another patrol vessel.

J-10s and JF-17s are of different weight classes with entirely different aerodynamic configuration. J-10C is comparable to the latest F-16 blocks, and with canard-delta design + thrust vectoring engine it surpasses the F-16s in some categories.

AEW&C are crucial assets for any military today with their highly capable long range flying radars, massive communication nodes working like a flying regional command and control system with latest data link along with Airborne Early Warning and EW flying giant. It was one of the most vital system employed why Pakistan massively outmatched and outsmarted India in Feb 2019 skirmish. Any modern military fighting without these assets would effectively be fighting while being blind and deaf.

Apart from that yeah absolutely, submarine deal is one the most important and big ticket deal for Pakistan.

All the things/systems you mentioned are indeed important in their domains but if you have to single out the top most crucial ones than long range bvr missiles, subs and HQ9s stands out. Navy ships are vulnerable to subs easily. If India has to launch an attack on Karachi port thru airforce than they will make sure that their subs start making PN ships lives hell well in advance just before their air campaign .

Secondly on feb27 , AWACS might have played important role but it was Df20 jamming which really bamboozled iaf and aim120c5s, which outgunned them. Now pl15 will do the same job and hopefully even better.

just for sake of record

- full amount was paid by Pakistani government coffer ..... CSF was not used to pay for F-16 blk-52+ purchase

- CSF is also our own money which we used to spend in advance on operations in support of US WOT and US was in agreement to reimburse our expenses

- US till to date has not settled our expenditures not even the amount already approved by US congress for reimbursement.

Noted and thanks.