Pakistan needs to focus & spend more on its education sector which is lagging behind.

[TheSolution]

Bro, read the syllabus and then compare it to British O & A levels and then tell what isn't bad about it. Read the two articles that I have posted down below. I am not a fan of Dawn but they are 100% correct in their criticism of the SNC. The vast majority of the SNC is all about memorization. There's even less focus on science in SNC as compared to the current syllabus. Instead of going all out in the promotion of science, these retards chose to place even lesser emphasis on it. This SNC turned me from a fan of IK to a hater. It is insane to me that a guy who went to Aitchison College and Oxford University endorses this pathic curriculum.

DISSECTING THE SINGLE NATIONAL CURRICULUM

A closer review of the recently-announced education policy material throws up many issues of concern.

www.dawn.com

A great leap backward

Courses appear to reinforce a closed mindset and have nothing to do with the requirements of a modern education system.

www.dawn.com

Wow I didn't look into it this much, another good idea which has been poorly executed.

There should have been a special focus and emphasis on STEM. He literally could have taken inspiration from British/American/Chinese for this aspect. It's literally the most important thing

 

[_NOBODY_]

Wow I didn't look into this much, another good idea which has been poorly executed.

There should have been a special focus and emphasis on STEM. He literally could have taken inspiration from British/American/Chinese for this aspect. It's literally the most important thing

I don't why our stupid politicians just copy the syllabus of Cambridge O & A levels, especially since it is widely taught in our private schools. Do you want to read another sad fact? Islamic Studies is taught better in O & A levels than it is in our national curriculums.

 

[TheSolution]

I don't why our stupid politicians just copy the syllabus of Cambridge O & A levels, especially since it is widely taught and a lot in private schools. Do you want to read another sad fact? Islamic Studies is taught better in O & A levels than it is in our national curriculums.

This indirectly proves the point of the thread

The quality of our human resource is absolute garbage hence we are getting these type of shitty reforms.

They might as well hire foreigners to implement reforms because their own brains are just going to ruin things further.

Hire a Chinese or Western team for some core aspects, I swear these idiots are going to ruin things even more.

 

[TheSolution]

Bro, read the syllabus and then compare it to British O & A levels and then tell what isn't bad about it. Read the two articles that I have posted down below. I am not a fan of Dawn but they are 100% correct in their criticism of the SNC. The vast majority of the SNC is all about memorization. There's even less focus on science in SNC as compared to the current syllabus. Instead of going all out in the promotion of science, these retards chose to place even lesser emphasis on it. This SNC turned me from a fan of IK to a hater. It is insane to me that a guy who went to Aitchison College and Oxford University endorses this pathic curriculum.

DISSECTING THE SINGLE NATIONAL CURRICULUM

A closer review of the recently-announced education policy material throws up many issues of concern.

www.dawn.com

A great leap backward

Courses appear to reinforce a closed mindset and have nothing to do with the requirements of a modern education system.

www.dawn.com

I just finished reading those articles but honestly I see a bigger problem in their criticism, while it requires a much bigger emphasis and focus on STEM, they seem to be against having a single national curriculum at all, and want separate provincial curriculums. They see it as wrong...

They also seem to be strictly against the "nationalism" it apparently enforces, and apparently it prevents critical thinking? What does this even mean? Can Pakistan not present its own historical and national narrative to its people?

What does critical thinking even mean in this context... it's as if they want people to question the existence of Pakistan and indirectly promote ethno-separatism. I seriously feel they may be partially funded by certain actors.

In my opinion by preventing a national curriculum, and disguising questioning the existence of a state or even perceived nationalism as preventing critical thinking, it feels these people don't want social/national cohesion. They may be genuine in their opinion, but without social cohesion Pakistan will be ideologically divided and it will undoubtedly fuel ethno-separatism. In Pakistan this translates into terrorism and ethnic riots.

Pakistan is an ideological entity to begin with, without national cohesion and at least common ideological grounds regarding Pakistan, it won't exist. So these people to me seem to be funded by certain actors or aren't very bright.

Honestly given how deep certain foreign elements are operating in Pakistan, I do think they've been prodded to say such things.

 

[Menace2Society]

Main problem is corrupt politicians and political Islam. Get rid of them both and everything will fix itself.

 

[Erieye]

I just finished reading those articles but honestly I see a bigger problem in their criticism, while it requires a much bigger emphasis and focus on STEM, they seem to be against having a single national curriculum at all, and want separate provincial curriculums. They see it as wrong...

They also seem to be strictly against the "nationalism" it apparently enforces, and apparently it prevents critical thinking? What does this even mean? Can Pakistan not present its own historical and national narrative to its people?

What does critical thinking even mean in this context... it's as if they want people to question the existence of Pakistan and indirectly promote ethno-separatism. I seriously feel they may be partially funded by certain actors.

In my opinion by preventing a national curriculum, and disguising questioning the existence of a state or even perceived nationalism as preventing critical thinking, it feels these people don't want social/national cohesion. They may be genuine in their opinion, but without social cohesion Pakistan will be ideologically divided and it will undoubtedly fuel ethno-separatism. In Pakistan this translates into terrorism and ethnic riots.

Pakistan is an ideological entity to begin with, without national cohesion and at least common ideological grounds regarding Pakistan, it won't exist. So these people to me seem to be funded by certain actors or aren't very bright.

Honestly given how deep certain foreign elements are operating in Pakistan, I do think they've been prodded to say such things.

Same, STEM criticism was fair but then the articles started lowkey supporting ethno-separatism narratives that would empower them, especially in the younger generations making them ripe for utilisation by hostile agencies...

@PanzerKiel @Signalian Unironically you should black vigo the authors of those articles it's very sus. I find it shocking that Turkey's track record with journalists is worse than Pakistan's, it means Turkey is doing a much better job keeping them anti-nationals under control. Not enough vigo'ing happening with these so-called journalists...

 

[TheSolution]

Same, STEM criticism was fair but then the articles started lowkey supporting ethno-separatism narratives that would empower them, especially in the younger generations making them ripe for utilisation by hostile agencies...

@PanzerKiel @Signalian Unironically you should black vigo the authors of those articles it's very sus. I find it shocking that Turkey's track record with journalists is worse than Pakistan's, it means Turkey is doing a much better job keeping them anti-nationals under control. Not enough vigo'ing happening with these so-called journalists...

you might be joking but the hostile networks run deep

I've been wanting to open a thread on this for a long time

https://twitter.com/x/status/1305756160008560640

 

[CLUMSY]

I agree. PTI started to roll out a new single national curriculum where progress would be monitored by international standards.

During the Musharraf era a lot of money was thrown into the HEC, but that all stopped too. Our universities don't produce very many PHDs or quality research.

Most importantly and most easy step we fail on is vocational qualifications.

Our population if properly trained as trades people could earn a very good living in Blue collar jobs abroad and improve the quality of thier families lives back home.

The single national curriculum is an absolute joke...
The books are dated, the pak studies books are ridiculous as hell especially. I dont like Islamic Studies being obligatory. Especially surahs being obligatory to learn.

Honestly i think decentralization of education in many areas can certainly help in quite a few ways. It allows families of various social, religious and cultural backgrounds to choose what is best for them. I dont like seeing education as a business but it would also see more competition, schools will start introducing new ideas and concepts into their curriculums to compete.

 

[_NOBODY_]

Same, STEM criticism was fair but then the articles started lowkey supporting ethno-separatism narratives that would empower them, especially in the younger generations making them ripe for utilisation by hostile agencies...

@PanzerKiel @Signalian Unironically you should black vigo the authors of those articles it's very sus. I find it shocking that Turkey's track record with journalists is worse than Pakistan's, it means Turkey is doing a much better job keeping them anti-nationals under control. Not enough vigo'ing happening with these so-called journalists...

Strongly disagree, Dawn's sympathy towards ethnonationalists should only be intellectually challenged in a nonviolent manner. The authoritarian black vigo method will do more harm than good, doing this will further support their narrative. Erdogan's authoritarianism will backfire on him badly, the vast majority of his support comes from rural Turkey. Erdogan is hated in big cities like Istanbul, Ankara and Izmir and he is hated for valid reasons. Just look how Erdogan is treating Istanbul's mayor even though this mayor is loved by the people of Istanbul.

 

[_NOBODY_]

I just finished reading those articles but honestly I see a bigger problem in their criticism, while it requires a much bigger emphasis and focus on STEM, they seem to be against having a single national curriculum at all, and want separate provincial curriculums. They see it as wrong...

They also seem to be strictly against the "nationalism" it apparently enforces, and apparently it prevents critical thinking? What does this even mean? Can Pakistan not present its own historical and national narrative to its people?

What does critical thinking even mean in this context... it's as if they want people to question the existence of Pakistan and indirectly promote ethno-separatism. I seriously feel they may be partially funded by certain actors.

In my opinion by preventing a national curriculum, and disguising questioning the existence of a state or even perceived nationalism as preventing critical thinking, it feels these people don't want social/national cohesion. They may be genuine in their opinion, but without social cohesion Pakistan will be ideologically divided and it will undoubtedly fuel ethno-separatism. In Pakistan this translates into terrorism and ethnic riots.

Pakistan is an ideological entity to begin with, without national cohesion and at least common ideological grounds regarding Pakistan, it won't exist. So these people to me seem to be funded by certain actors or aren't very bright.

Honestly given how deep certain foreign elements are operating in Pakistan, I do think they've been prodded to say such things.

Trust me these elements can't be classified as foreign even if we assume that they are being backed by foreign entities. These elements are a direct reaction to the religious extremism and politicization of Islam in the country kind of like Hitler was the reaction to the post world war 1 treatment of Germany by countries like Britain and France. My example is farfetched but you should get the point.

 

[Erieye]

The single national curriculum is an absolute joke...
The books are dated, the pak studies books are ridiculous as hell especially. I dont like Islamic Studies being obligatory. Especially surahs being obligatory to learn.

Honestly i think decentralization of education in many areas can certainly help in quite a few ways. It allows families of various social, religious and cultural backgrounds to choose what is best for them. I dont like seeing education as a business but it would also see more competition, schools will start introducing new ideas and concepts into their curriculums to compete.

Decentralised education is literally the worst idea i've ever heard of. You can disagree with the contents of the cirriculum and we can debate over that, but other than that it is a negative.

Firstly you say that you dont want education to be a business, but then do you expect the government to create a different cirriculum for every other school location? Tf

Also it makes more sense if everyone is taught the same cirriculum, then takes a standardised test, so we can better compare the quality of an individual and his capabilities with his peers across the nation.

This also helps higher education institutions to judge their candidate's capabilities because everyone has taken a standardised test and can be judged equally. This isn't possible if you're taking random different courses and random exams.

This is how it works internationally, and then you have the option to also choose which specific subjects you want to study, but having people study individual cirriculums is pure stupidity and makes you disorganised.

@_NOBODY_ Opinion on this

 

[TheSolution]

Trust me these elements can't be classified as foreign even if assume that they are being backed by foreign entities. These elements are a direct reaction to the religious extremism and politicization of Islam in the country kind of like Hitler was the reaction to the post world war 1 treatment of Germany by countries like Britain and France. My example is farfetched but you should get the point.

Yeah you're probably right tbf

The single national curriculum is an absolute joke...
The books are dated, the pak studies books are ridiculous as hell especially. I dont like Islamic Studies being obligatory. Especially surahs being obligatory to learn.

Honestly i think decentralization of education in many areas can certainly help in quite a few ways. It allows families of various social, religious and cultural backgrounds to choose what is best for them. I dont like seeing education as a business but it would also see more competition, schools will start introducing new ideas and concepts into their curriculums to compete.

Decentralisation is a stupid idea.

Also you know even here in Britain, US, pretty much all across the world you can choose the subjects you study right?

But to completely decentralise it makes you completely disorganised:

- How will you compare everyone's capabilities across the board if people aren't taking the same exam, and haven't even studied the same curriculum??

- how will top tier universities know the quality of their applicants if everyone is taking random curriculum courses with their own exams, because there is no wide data pool to compare to??

Decentralised education is literally the worst idea i've ever heard of. You can disagree with the contents of the cirriculum and we can debate over that, but other than that it is a negative.

Firstly you say that you dont want education to be a business, but then do you expect the government to create a different cirriculum for every other school location? Tf

Also it makes more sense if everyone is taught the same cirriculum, then takes a standardised test, so we can better compare the quality of an individual and his capabilities with his peers across the nation.

This also helps higher education institutions to judge their candidate's capabilities because everyone has taken a standardised test and can be judged equally. This isn't possible if you're taking random different courses and random exams.

This is how it works internationally, and then you have the option to also choose which specific subjects you want to study, but having people study individual cirriculums is pure stupidity and makes you disorganised.

@_NOBODY_ Opinion on this

This basically sums up exactly what I meant.

Standardised curriculums and exams helps us compare the quality of individuals and also helps universities pick applicants for limited courses, especially top tier universities.

 

[_NOBODY_]

I just finished reading those articles but honestly I see a bigger problem in their criticism, while it requires a much bigger emphasis and focus on STEM, they seem to be against having a single national curriculum at all, and want separate provincial curriculums. They see it as wrong...

They also seem to be strictly against the "nationalism" it apparently enforces, and apparently it prevents critical thinking? What does this even mean? Can Pakistan not present its own historical and national narrative to its people?

What does critical thinking even mean in this context... it's as if they want people to question the existence of Pakistan and indirectly promote ethno-separatism. I seriously feel they may be partially funded by certain actors.

In my opinion by preventing a national curriculum, and disguising questioning the existence of a state or even perceived nationalism as preventing critical thinking, it feels these people don't want social/national cohesion. They may be genuine in their opinion, but without social cohesion Pakistan will be ideologically divided and it will undoubtedly fuel ethno-separatism. In Pakistan this translates into terrorism and ethnic riots.

Pakistan is an ideological entity to begin with, without national cohesion and at least common ideological grounds regarding Pakistan, it won't exist. So these people to me seem to be funded by certain actors or aren't very bright.

Honestly given how deep certain foreign elements are operating in Pakistan, I do think they've been prodded to say such things.

Everything should be questioned including the existence and purpose of Pakistan. If we can't ask ourselves these questions then we can't go far. Such questions are extremely important for truly understanding ourselves and our country. Let me give you my example. When I was a teenager I used to hate it when my parents used to tell me to offer prayer. This sudden dislike for religion made me question everything about myself. These were stressful years of my life due to this. This caused me to properly study Islam along with all the other major religions and after doing so I fell in love with Islam and this time my heart fully accepted it. Now imagine how things would have turned out if I didn't question any of this and kept praying blindly with no seriousness whatsoever. This is why critical thinking is extremely important. I gave this example because the importance of critical thinking in social sciences and STEM is too obvious.

 

[VCheng]

I don't why our stupid politicians just copy the syllabus of Cambridge O & A levels, especially since it is widely taught in our private schools. Do you want to read another sad fact? Islamic Studies is taught better in O & A levels than it is in our national curriculums.

But they do. For their kids of course. Not for every kid in the nation. Just look at IK as an example. Or his own kids even.

 

[TheSolution]

Everything should be questioned including the existence and purpose of Pakistan. If we can't ask ourselves these questions then we can't go far. Such questions are extremely important for truly understanding ourselves and our country. Let me give you my example. When I was a teenager I used to hate it when my parents used to tell me to offer prayer. This sudden dislike for religion made me question everything about myself. These were stressful years of my life due to this. This caused me to properly study Islam along with all the other major religions and after doing so I fell in love with Islam and this time my heart fully accepted it. Now imagine how things would have turned out if I didn't question any of this and kept praying blindly with no seriousness whatsoever. This is why critical thinking is extremely important. I gave this example because the importance of critical thinking in social sciences and STEM is too obvious.

I agree, but there is a fine line between questioning and then prepping someone's mind to go and join BLA/TTP or whatever.

First step is always ideological influence.

Let me remind you the Karachi suicide bomber was a well-read female. We don't have the luxury like other nations to simply keep discussions as online Twitter rhetoric, for us it directly translates into serious destabilisation and terrorism.