Featured Pakistan Navy Type 054AP Frigates - Update, News & Discussion

[OIO]

Unbelievable pace at which Chinese roll out ships. Not taking anything away from their expertise, since so many Type 054As have been rolled out, the production process seems to have smoothened alot.

I personally think before the Type 054A production stops, it would make sense to place an order of 4 more. Looking at the pace, even an order placed now might get us these ships before all the Babur Class deliveries are made.

The Pakistan Navy urgently needs the 054ap to serve. It was originally planned that two of the 054ap would be built in Pakistan.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Universal VLS system

The 850mm (cell width) universal VLS system comes in three sizes/depths: "Defence" (3.3m) good for quad pack, "Tactical" (7m) fit for most common arsenal like HQ-9 or YJ-18, and "Strike" (9m) which is reserved for very large missiles say ASAT, sea-based mid-course interception or BM.

Technically speaking it's possible to put the universal VLS on 054A except perhaps the "Strike" (9m) module, it's just too deep that even 052D at best has 2 modules (16 cells) in the forward according to some observers, or perhaps none at all. Also note the 850 mm cell width is much larger (than say 635mm Mk41 or even 710mm Mk57), hence number of cells could be reduced as a result, that's why 052D carries 64 bigger cells while the likes of AB/Atago/Maya carry 96 smaller cells.

 

[Shah_Deu]

The Pakistan Navy urgently needs the 054ap to serve. It was originally planned that two of the 054ap would be built in Pakistan.

Well, it is very much plausible that the option for the extra two frigates in the original contract is taken and the frigates are then constructed in Pakistan. Our shipyard though has its hands full with the ongoing projects for the next 5-6 years atleast if not more. There might still be some free docks available to accommodate these vessels but for constructing so many vessels simultaneously needs extensive manpower and trained labour which might become a bottleneck as we ramp our ambitious plans. And considering that the Chinese shipyards are just churning out these ships like chips, it might not be a bad idea to buy them off the shelf.

 

[Zarvan]

Brothers the issue with the Type 52D is that it's $920 million ship. There is no way that funds for that would exist, and if they did there would be severe cutbacks elsewhere.
The Type 52D offer similar capabilities e.g. 64 VLS tubes for half that cost, and it is feasible to purchase two for under $1 billion, which is less than what was paid for the four Tyep 54A's but gives us exceptional capability.

You will have no need of Type 52 D if you can get Universal VLS on Type 54 A. Trust me what you need is Universal VLS. 32 VLS of Universal type are more then enough. Just induct 8 to 10 Type 54 A which have Universal VLS system

The 850mm (cell width) universal VLS system comes in three sizes/depths: "Defence" (3.3m) good for quad pack, "Tactical" (7m) fit for most common arsenal like HQ-9 or YJ-18, and "Strike" (9m) which is reserved for very large missiles say ASAT, sea-based mid-course interception or BM.

Technically speaking it's possible to put the universal VLS on 054A except perhaps the "Strike" (9m) module, it's just too deep that even 052D at best has 2 modules (16 cells) in the forward according to some observers, or perhaps none at all. Also note the 850 mm cell width is much larger (than say 635mm Mk41 or even 710mm Mk57), hence number of cells could be reduced as a result, that's why 052D carries 64 bigger cells while the likes of AB/Atago/Maya carry 96 smaller cells.

That strike 9 M module is exactly what I am talking about. That is exactly what we need. We need a beast which can fire long range cruise missile like of 1600 KM range.

 

[RealNapster]

That strike 9 M module is exactly what I am talking about. That is exactly what we need. We need a beast which can fire long range cruise missile like of 1600 KM range

Babar is 6.2 meter. Why you need 9 meter module for that ??? Other than Babar what option do we have ? None. Harbah is also a variant of Babar. Also, draught of Type 054A is 5 meter. This means in the VLS part of ship the total depth from deck surface to bottom is no more than 7 - 7.5 meter. Can you put a 9 meter VLS in that ?

 

[syed_yusuf]

Why dont Pakistan adopt this 9 meter universal design to be adopted for Jinnah class project ... The way I see it ... PN should place an order for an additional 2-3 type54ap and move on to a bigger Jinnah class project to incorporate all these changes. We would 9 meter long cells to accommodate hq9p type missile to provide outward looking anti air coverage.

Babar is 6.2 meter. Why you need 9 meter module for that ??? Other than Babar what option do we have ? None. Harbah is also a variant of Babar. Also, draught of Type 054A is 5 meter. This means in the VLS part of ship the total depth from deck surface to bottom is no more than 7 - 7.5 meter. Can you put a 9 meter VLS in that ?

Vls babur is appx 7.2 meter long with booster . I am assuming babur 1b is of same size.

Note: if you can dig out my older posts I was always of the openion that babur missile had a range of appx 1000 km from inception

 

[Shotgunner51]

9 meter long cells to accommodate hq9p type

Like most arsenal, HQ-9 can also fit into "Tactical" aka 7m cell. In fact most VLS cells on 052D are 7m (though some observers believe 16 cells in forward maybe 9m, and some in aft are 3.3m).

But the "Strike" (9m) module are certainly used in 055 which was designed to carry out sea-based ASAT/ABM missions.

 

[Super Falcon]

Can these ships communicate with turkish corvetes

 

[waz]

You will have no need of Type 52 D if you can get Universal VLS on Type 54 A. Trust me what you need is Universal VLS. 32 VLS of Universal type are more then enough. Just induct 8 to 10 Type 54 A which have Universal VLS system

That's true but the ship's capabilities.

Here's a comparison;

China Declares Latest Type 052D Destroyer and Type 054A Frigate ‘Combat Ready’

The Chinese People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) has declared two new surface combatants ready for combat.

thediplomat.com

 

[luciferdd]

Like most arsenal, HQ-9 can also fit into "Tactical" aka 7m cell. In fact most VLS cells on 052D are 7m (though some observers believe 16 cells in forward maybe 9m, and some in aft are 3.3m).

View attachment 803641
View attachment 803637

But the "Strike" (9m) module are certainly used in 055 which was designed to carry out sea-based ASAT/ABM missions.

No,even the VLS cells before the hangar are 9m long,you can find the video that 9m long YJ-18 is launching from them.

 

[monitor]

Type 054A/P frigate of Pakistan Navy will use Chinese CM-501GA anti-ship missiles from Z-9EC helicopter

According to information published by the "TIMESNOWNEWS.COM" on December 29, 2021, the Type 054A/P frigate of the Pakistani will use a Chinese-made Z-9EC helicopter armed with CM-501GA anti-ship missiles.
According to open sources information, the Pakistan Navy ordered four Type 054A/P frigates to China. The first Type 054A/P for Pakistan was launched on 22 August 2020 while the second frigate was launched on 29 January 2021. In November 2021, Navy Recognition has reported that Pakistan Navy has commissioned the first Chinese-made Type 054A Guided Missile Frigate PNS Tughri.

The Harbin Z-9 is an attack helicopter produced by the Harbin Aircraft Industry Group. The Z-9EC is an anti-submarine warfare variant developed for the Pakistan Naval Air Arm. The helicopter is equipped with ASW torpedoes and a mix of sensors and radars to find, track and destroy enemy submarines.

The CM-501GA is an anti-ship missile manufactured in China by the company China Aerospace Science & Industry Corporation. The design of the missile is based on CM501G, a land attack missile first revealed during the 9th Zhuhai Airshow held in November 2012. The CM-501GA is a lighter version and only has a range of 40 km compared to the CM501G missile which has a firing range of 70 km.

The CM-501GA uses TV/infrared imaging combined with end-guided guidance and uses the inertial navigation system that may be assisted by the global satellite navigation system for cruise guidance. The CM-501GA missile is 2 meters long and has a diameter of 180 mm. It weighs 100 kilograms and uses a 20-kilogram high-explosive warhead with a range of 5-40 kilometers. The manufacturer claims that its hit accuracy can be controlled within 1 meter and the hit rate is 90%.

 

[aziqbal]

The Pakistan Navy urgently needs the 054ap to serve. It was originally planned that two of the 054ap would be built in Pakistan.

it was but believe it or not Pakistans build is also alot more expensive than China

with shipbuilding the more units you build the cheaper it gets and I think building 4 units in China is better

also KSEW is busy with MILGEM I dont think they have the appetite to also start Type 054AP alongside the SSK programme

also the fact that China can pump these out fall quickly it makes perfect sense to have China build all 4

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Should have added a Ship construction port in Gwadar under CPEC , and let Chinese build 2 Type054 , there , they would have trained the local staff at same time as well

Perhaps a consideration for future

China's ship building really comes down to utilizing lot of heavy machinery and ability to mobilize large number of engineers and workers efficiently , their engineering speed is truly a case study

(Not sure if there were technical reasons for not initiating such move)

 

[ABBASIA]

AOA Folks,

Where is the first beast now a days, doing recce of all nooks and corners of Indian waters.

 

[lcloo]

China does not need super rich billionaires that keep their personal wealth growing bigger every year. Too many billionaires will create large income gap between the rich and the pool, and that is not the aim of a socialist communist China.

China need to have a social environment of sharing of common wealth for everyone. Capitalism can be tolerated to a certain degree where it benefits the country and the common people, but not to the extend that it increase tensions on the social economic relations between the rich and the poor.

What China need is large cooperations that give its majority share holdings to all its employees like Huawei. Huawei in reality is owned by its employees, its founder hold less than 2% of its shares.