Featured Pakistan Navy Type 054AP Frigates - Update, News & Discussion

[RangeMaster]

Yes, the initial order included a provision of ordering 2 more without a change in contract terms. But signing a separate contract for additional ships shouldn't be a problem either I guess.

I think so.... But considering the number of projects undertaken / in pipeline by PN, financing it would be a challenge.

 

[luciferdd]

Maybe 2 additional 054AP++ with 4 new X-band FC radar and 70KM range HQ16C(copy from 054A+ in PLN) is suitable,they can be upgrading templates for the 4 old 054AP in the future.

 

[Shah_Deu]

I think so.... But considering the number of projects undertaken / in pipeline by PN, financing it would be a challenge.

It's my personal opinion and I might be wrong, but with the Chinese, financing has never been a challenge for us. That was one of the reasons everyone got on their toes when we started this big item chinese buying spree; 8 subs, 4 Type 54's, HQ-16's, HQ-9's, VT-4's, and now hearing about J-10's. Realistically speaking, in the beginning, given our economic woes, each one of these purchases came as a pleasant surprise. But they were all bought. Given all this, financing is probably at the very back of my mind now.

 

[The Eagle]

IMO, option to Order 2 additional Type 054 A/P will not be the same ships. In-fact, with lot more punch in different areas. In a layman term like 4.5 gen to 4.5++

 

[Pandora]

Maybe 2 additional 054AP++ with 4 new X-band FC radar and 70KM range HQ16C(copy from 054A+ in PLN) is suitable,they can be upgrading templates for the 4 old 054AP in the future.

I think Pakistan will now be interested in heavier tonage ships capable of engaging targets at Hi-Med altitudes. Instead of frigate Pakistan would want a destroyers capable of launching naval version of HQ9. Granted it won't be any time soon bcz Pakistan is heavily invested in Turkish Jinnah class. Although that would be a natural next step if they want a three tier air defense network same as they have on land.

 

[Titanium100]

I think Pakistan will now be interested in heavier tonage ships capable of engaging targets at Hi-Med altitudes. Instead of frigate Pakistan would want a destroyers capable of launching naval version of HQ9. Granted it won't be any time soon bcz Pakistan is heavily invested in Turkish Jinnah class. Although that would be a natural next step if they want a three tier air defense network same as they have on land.

Destroyers should be next target but also mini carrier could be usual something like LDH Anadolua

 

[ARMalik]

No one can match the speed and quality of Chinese Ship Building - it is just incredible !!

 

[waz]

I'd say forsake two more Type54A's and instead go for the 052D destroyer (cost $532 million).

Here is a breakdown of Chinese naval ships by cost;

Patrol By Chinese Carrier Reveals Beijing’s Modern Surface Fleet

In the 2010s China finally developed surface combatants combining stealthy hulls, flexible vertical launch cells to carry a variety of powerful missiles, long-range radars and networked combat systems. Chinese shipbuilders churned out these designs at an astonishing pace.

www.forbes.com

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

I'd say forsake two more Type54A's and instead go for the 052D destroyer (cost $532 million).

Here is a breakdown of Chinese naval ships by cost;

Patrol By Chinese Carrier Reveals Beijing’s Modern Surface Fleet

In the 2010s China finally developed surface combatants combining stealthy hulls, flexible vertical launch cells to carry a variety of powerful missiles, long-range radars and networked combat systems. Chinese shipbuilders churned out these designs at an astonishing pace.

www.forbes.com

Type 054 A/P with some more advanced AESA radar and HQ 16C (70km) naval version defence system along with advanced anti ship cruise missile will be great to have.
But type 52D destroyer will just be a new level capability boost.


Between can you shed some light on anti submarine capability of type 054A/P and where its ASW capability stands against our enemies ASW capabilities.

 

[waz]

Between can you shed some light on anti submarine capability of type 054A/P and where its ASW capability stands against our enemies ASW capabilities.

Bro there's so much stuff in the back pages on this thread and others. I'd just be repeating.
But some key takeways;
It fires from the VLC the CY-5 Ying torpedo. The range is reported to be 30 km

Can also use the YU-8 anti-submarine missile, similar to the CY-5 i.e. VLS but with a lighter payload.

https://twitter.com/x/status/880690922266271746

It has variable depth sonar and towed array sonar showing its advanced ASW ability.

 

[ziaulislam]

My record shows that:-
1st ship launched on 2020-08-22
2nd ship launched on 2021-01-29
3rd ship launched on 2021-08-01

So this should be the 4th ship - launched 2021-12-23

if this is true then by end of next year PN will have all four..damn this is fast pace production..
the only shortcoming a noivce can see on type 54A is its SAM system being shorter range ~40-50km with lack of Quad pack systems

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Hudong Shipyard launched three warships today, one for the Chinese Navy, one for the Thai Navy and one for the Pakistani Navy.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1474011626970165254

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

China’s Largest, Most-Advanced Frigate Touted As ‘Carrier Killer’ To Boost Pakistan’s Naval Defense Against India

Pakistan received, what is being described as the most advanced Chinese warship, in November. The first of the four Type 054A warships, named PNS Tughril by the Pakistan Navy, was commissioned just a little over a month ago.

The mammoth warship has since gone to several countries on friendly visits, with Sri Lanka playing the most recent host. While the warship possesses capabilities that give a major fillip to Pakistan’s maritime power, its commissioning had evoked strong reactions from India.

The Indian Navy Chief had earlier remarked that India was constantly monitoring the naval cooperation between Pakistan and China. He had also expressed apprehensions about China’s sale of military hardware to Pakistan affecting the security dynamics in South Asia.

Pakistan was slated to receive its largest-ever warship, PNS Tughril on December 20 after it left the Sri Lankan dock 2 days ago. The warship was received by Colombo for a friendly visit and flag showing mission after which the navies of both countries conducted joint drills called ‘Exercise Lion Star’ so as to enhance interoperability between the two navies, as reported by the Associated Press of Pakistan.

This warship, which was commissioned into the Pakistani Navy in a ceremony held in China, has made several port-calls including in Malaysia and the Philippines, apart from Sri Lanka.

This hints at a Pakistani effort to court the Southeast and South Asian countries even as the cooperation between ASEAN and India deepens and there’s increasing alienation between them and China, Pakistan’s all-weather ally. It is also indicative of the objective to balance India’s engagement with the countries in the Indo-Pacific.

The Tughril Class or Type 054A/P frigate, which is a state-of-the-art, multi-role, and most advanced frigates ever created by China, will arrive in Pakistan on December 20, according to The News. This warship has also been hailed as a game-changer and one that is expected to give a quantum-leap to Pakistan’s Naval Air defenses.

PNS Tughril
The Tughril Class warship, also known as the Type 054A/P frigate, is China’s most advanced, multi-role, and modern frigate. With long-range missiles, an enhanced radar system, electronic warfare, air and surface surveillance and acoustic sensors, and other battle management systems, the guided-missile frigate is designed for intense anti-air, anti-surface, and anti-submarine operations in the high seas.

The battleship is equipped with rapid-reaction, vertical launch system-based SAMs to operate in South Asia’s dense missile threat environment. HHQ-16 SAMs, which are equipped with medium-range air defense missiles, would provide omnidirectional coverage, boosting the Navy’s anti-air warfare/air defense capabilities against aircraft, helicopters, inbound anti-ship missiles and even cruise missiles.

File Image: PNS Tughril
The frigate also has sophisticated sensors and weapons, such as the long-range SR2410C and Type 517/SUR17B air-surveillance radars.

The new Tughril is equipped with electronic warfare systems, the newest surface, subsurface, and anti-air weapons, as well as battle management systems, and is seen as a Chinese-supplied successor to the F-22P frigate. The warship is primarily designed for anti-air warfare, but it can also execute anti-surface and anti-submarine tasks.

It includes anti-ship cruise missile launchers armed with the CM-302/ YJ-12 supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles, known as Yu-8 ASROCs. The YJ-12 is regarded as “the most dangerous anti-ship missile China has ever created”. With a range of 400-500 km and a payload of 200 kg, it is often called a ‘carrier killer’ capable of posing a ‘significant danger’ to even the most powerful air defense systems, outranging the US’s primary ASCM, the RGM-84 Harpoon.

Indian observers are concerned that the YJ-12 might endanger India’s own fleet of seven frigates being created under Project 17A, which will be equipped with hypersonic BrahMos cruise missiles.

Anti-submarine torpedo launchers, anti-submarine rocket launchers, and decoy rocket launchers are also on board Tughril. The Type 054A also includes world-class stealth features such as a sloped hull design, radar-absorbent materials, and a smaller superstructure to reduce radar cross-section.

It includes a stern flight deck and a hangar large enough to house a helicopter, enhancing Pakistan’s offensive power against any hostile maritime interdiction for decades.

Potential Geopolitical Impact
The Pakistani media has reflected some concerns that the Pakistani security ecosystem has been guided by the pursuit to modernize its navy. According to some quarters in Pakistan, India’s centrality and role in the Indo-Pacific region and India’s newly gained access to the Duqm port of Oman — all have a bearing on the Gwadar port and the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC).

This is indicative of Pakistan’s willingness to acquire advanced and lethal warships in order to create deterrence against its arch-rival in the Indian Ocean region. China, too, has been invested in modernizing Pakistan’s military as India forge closer military ties with the United States.

The polarization between the Pakistan-China and India-United States makes it imperative for China to create a balance of power so as to counter its rivals. Beijing has also reportedly agreed to supply more frigates and J-10C aircraft to Pakistan.

China’s Largest, Most-Advanced Frigate Touted As 'Carrier Killer' To Boost Pakistan's Naval Defense Against India

Pakistan received, what is being described as the most advanced Chinese warship, in November. The first of the four Type 054A warships, named PNS Tughril by the Pakistan Navy, was commissioned just a little over a month ago. The mammoth warship has since gone to several countries on friendly...

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[lcloo]

if this is true then by end of next year PN will have all four..damn this is fast pace production.

The expected hand-over date to Pakistan navy is as below

1st ship launched on 2020-08-22 + 14 months = 2021 November 8th
2nd ship launched on 2021-01-29 + 14 months = 2022 March or earlier
3rd ship launched on 2021-08-01 + 14 months = 2022 September or earlier
4th ship - launched 2021-12-23 + 14 months = 2023 February or earlier

The out-fitting and sea trial period can be between 12 to 14 months.

 

[waz]

China’s Largest, Most-Advanced Frigate Touted As ‘Carrier Killer’ To Boost Pakistan’s Naval Defense Against India

Pakistan received, what is being described as the most advanced Chinese warship, in November. The first of the four Type 054A warships, named PNS Tughril by the Pakistan Navy, was commissioned just a little over a month ago.

The mammoth warship has since gone to several countries on friendly visits, with Sri Lanka playing the most recent host. While the warship possesses capabilities that give a major fillip to Pakistan’s maritime power, its commissioning had evoked strong reactions from India.

The Indian Navy Chief had earlier remarked that India was constantly monitoring the naval cooperation between Pakistan and China. He had also expressed apprehensions about China’s sale of military hardware to Pakistan affecting the security dynamics in South Asia.

Pakistan was slated to receive its largest-ever warship, PNS Tughril on December 20 after it left the Sri Lankan dock 2 days ago. The warship was received by Colombo for a friendly visit and flag showing mission after which the navies of both countries conducted joint drills called ‘Exercise Lion Star’ so as to enhance interoperability between the two navies, as reported by the Associated Press of Pakistan.

This warship, which was commissioned into the Pakistani Navy in a ceremony held in China, has made several port-calls including in Malaysia and the Philippines, apart from Sri Lanka.

This hints at a Pakistani effort to court the Southeast and South Asian countries even as the cooperation between ASEAN and India deepens and there’s increasing alienation between them and China, Pakistan’s all-weather ally. It is also indicative of the objective to balance India’s engagement with the countries in the Indo-Pacific.

The Tughril Class or Type 054A/P frigate, which is a state-of-the-art, multi-role, and most advanced frigates ever created by China, will arrive in Pakistan on December 20, according to The News. This warship has also been hailed as a game-changer and one that is expected to give a quantum-leap to Pakistan’s Naval Air defenses.

PNS Tughril
The Tughril Class warship, also known as the Type 054A/P frigate, is China’s most advanced, multi-role, and modern frigate. With long-range missiles, an enhanced radar system, electronic warfare, air and surface surveillance and acoustic sensors, and other battle management systems, the guided-missile frigate is designed for intense anti-air, anti-surface, and anti-submarine operations in the high seas.

The battleship is equipped with rapid-reaction, vertical launch system-based SAMs to operate in South Asia’s dense missile threat environment. HHQ-16 SAMs, which are equipped with medium-range air defense missiles, would provide omnidirectional coverage, boosting the Navy’s anti-air warfare/air defense capabilities against aircraft, helicopters, inbound anti-ship missiles and even cruise missiles.

File Image: PNS Tughril
The frigate also has sophisticated sensors and weapons, such as the long-range SR2410C and Type 517/SUR17B air-surveillance radars.

The new Tughril is equipped with electronic warfare systems, the newest surface, subsurface, and anti-air weapons, as well as battle management systems, and is seen as a Chinese-supplied successor to the F-22P frigate. The warship is primarily designed for anti-air warfare, but it can also execute anti-surface and anti-submarine tasks.

It includes anti-ship cruise missile launchers armed with the CM-302/ YJ-12 supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles, known as Yu-8 ASROCs. The YJ-12 is regarded as “the most dangerous anti-ship missile China has ever created”. With a range of 400-500 km and a payload of 200 kg, it is often called a ‘carrier killer’ capable of posing a ‘significant danger’ to even the most powerful air defense systems, outranging the US’s primary ASCM, the RGM-84 Harpoon.

Indian observers are concerned that the YJ-12 might endanger India’s own fleet of seven frigates being created under Project 17A, which will be equipped with hypersonic BrahMos cruise missiles.

Anti-submarine torpedo launchers, anti-submarine rocket launchers, and decoy rocket launchers are also on board Tughril. The Type 054A also includes world-class stealth features such as a sloped hull design, radar-absorbent materials, and a smaller superstructure to reduce radar cross-section.

It includes a stern flight deck and a hangar large enough to house a helicopter, enhancing Pakistan’s offensive power against any hostile maritime interdiction for decades.

Potential Geopolitical Impact
The Pakistani media has reflected some concerns that the Pakistani security ecosystem has been guided by the pursuit to modernize its navy. According to some quarters in Pakistan, India’s centrality and role in the Indo-Pacific region and India’s newly gained access to the Duqm port of Oman — all have a bearing on the Gwadar port and the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC).

This is indicative of Pakistan’s willingness to acquire advanced and lethal warships in order to create deterrence against its arch-rival in the Indian Ocean region. China, too, has been invested in modernizing Pakistan’s military as India forge closer military ties with the United States.

The polarization between the Pakistan-China and India-United States makes it imperative for China to create a balance of power so as to counter its rivals. Beijing has also reportedly agreed to supply more frigates and J-10C aircraft to Pakistan.

China’s Largest, Most-Advanced Frigate Touted As 'Carrier Killer' To Boost Pakistan's Naval Defense Against India

Pakistan received, what is being described as the most advanced Chinese warship, in November. The first of the four Type 054A warships, named PNS Tughril by the Pakistan Navy, was commissioned just a little over a month ago. The mammoth warship has since gone to several countries on friendly...

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There's three more of them coming, possibly two more, although my previous statement of purchasing the Type 52D is preferable.