Featured Pakistan Navy Type 054AP Frigates - Update, News & Discussion

[Armchair]

That's true, but I do think some processes and capabilities can be bought to complement the native R&D process. It was that very mix of native and overseas capacity that helped Pakistan bring to nukes fruition and, to be fair, isn't a unique model, it's unfolding as such in Turkey and had taken place in China earlier.

Interesting.

 

[Kamil_baku]

Honestly, I was just thinking of building 2 new Type 052Cs. Or ask for 2 Type 054A-mods with HQ-9 and VL-LACM instead of HQ-16 (to add to the 4 Type 054As on order). But ideally, we'd push for (and get) the 9M96E2 for the 4 Type 054As on order and integrate the Denel Cheetah (10 km, VLS-based) to the F-22P and MILGEM for V/SHORAD + PDMS coverage.

I think the biggest missing point of Type 054A is it doesnt have variable depth sonar(anti submarine which Ada will fit that gap).
What kind of radar will Pakistani type 054 will use? Fregat-ME?
also, what kind of fire control radar it will use for SAM missiles? Front dome?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

I think the biggest missing point of Type 054A is it doesnt have variable depth sonar(anti submarine which Ada will fit that gap).
What kind of radar will Pakistani type 054 will use? Fregat-ME?
also, what kind of fire control radar it will use for SAM missiles? Front dome?

The only one to report details on the 054A (Usman Ansari) was told by a PN official that the PN's 054As will be configured similarly to the PLAN's ... e.g. export variants of each system used (SLR-66 instead of Type 366, etc).

Granted, the PLAN 054As don't have VDS, but that could have been added later (and at much lower cost) than the 4 Ada corvettes. It should also be noted that during IDEAS 2016, the only display which had a CSIC AIP sub and CSIC frigate showed an export variant of the 054A (slight differences in the superstructure and sensors).

 

[Kamil_baku]

The only one to report details on the 054A (Usman Ansari) was told by a PN official that the PN's 054As will be configured similarly to the PLAN's ... e.g. export variants of each system used (SLR-66 instead of Type 366, etc).

Granted, the PLAN 054As don't have VDS, but that could have been added later (and at much lower cost) than the 4 Ada corvettes. It should also be noted that during IDEAS 2016, the only display which had a CSIC AIP sub and CSIC frigate showed an export variant of the 054A (slight differences in the superstructure and sensors).

Actually CHinese also use Fregat-ME which is actually very old radar. I wish Pakistan could ask for and upgrade..
Chinese also use Front Dome fire control radar, which can intercept 4 missiles at the same time.. I think it is the big flow if Indians also know it..
on the other hand, i wish they could have second volume search radar which is very important for air defence frigate. But, if they were use as battle group and with some long range SAM missiles, those gaps will be filled.

I will also mention other radars that ADA use, which was posted by Cabatli today, im not sure about CHinese option or version of them.

ASIST submarine intercept sonar

MATESS Mine detection sonar

SATS Acoustic sound and diver detection sonar

LFAS low frequency towed active sonar

Towed Detection Sonar

Sounding sonar

Hull mounted main sonar

FiberOptic Acoustic Sonar

Acoustic vector sonar

Flank Array Sonar

 

[Super Falcon]

The Atlantic was not shot down at sea.
It was shot down by an IAF Mig 21 over the Rann of Kutch area by an AAM.

It was shootdown at sea its wreckage was found in middle anyway we need good air defence covering well our air

Marines shoukd be given pantsir

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

It was shootdown at sea its wreckage was found in middle anyway we need good air defence covering well our air

Marines shoukd be given pantsir

No it was NOT.
I was there to recover its wreckage...!!!

 

[maxpayne]

No it was NOT.
I was there to recover its wreckage...!!!

Sir, does its wreckage fell.on India side too?

 

[Armchair]

Sir, does its wreckage fell.on India side too?

No.

 

[randomradio]

Lets say there are 30-40 brahmos coming to you! Brahmos can go 120 km with sea skimming mode.

The Oniks's range is 120Km due to MTCR restrictions. But Brahmos's range is much more than that because we never bothered about the MTCR when the missile was designed. The actual range of the Brahmos is more than 600Km at high altitude.

Thats why latest antiship missiles only use passive thermal head instead of radar..

Thermal seekers are used when stealth is desired. But you should prefer active seekers as your first priority.

 

[syed_yusuf]

The Oniks's range is 120Km due to MTCR restrictions. But Brahmos's range is much more than that because we never bothered about the MTCR when the missile was designed. The actual range of the Brahmos is more than 600Km at high altitude.



Thermal seekers are used when stealth is desired. But you should prefer active seekers as your first priority.

that is not correct
at high altitude it is 300KM at low altitude it is 120 KM. 600KM range version is been perceived and may be ready for testing.

 

[randomradio]

that is not correct
at high altitude it is 300KM at low altitude it is 120 KM. 600KM range version is been perceived and may be ready for testing.

As I said, you are referring to the export version of the P-800 Oniks. The Brahmos had no MTCR restriction in range. It was just kept a secret. There is no special new 600Km version. All they have to do is open up another fuel tank that's currently locked. That's why testing for range extension is being conducted with operational missiles. It's just that the guidance requires some adjustments to bring out the full range at high altitude. But at low altitude, the range of the missile was much higher than 120Km.

There is a new version that has a range of over 800Km.

 

[帅的一匹]

type 54A did add VDS since year 2014.

type54 does have VDS.

 

[syed_yusuf]

As I said, you are referring to the export version of the P-800 Oniks. The Brahmos had no MTCR restriction in range. It was just kept a secret. There is no special new 600Km version. All they have to do is open up another fuel tank that's currently locked. That's why testing for range extension is being conducted with operational missiles. It's just that the guidance requires some adjustments to bring out the full range at high altitude. But at low altitude, the range of the missile was much higher than 120Km.

There is a new version that has a range of over 800Km.

nope u r wrong my friend these are all feel good speculations. the reality already listed above by me.

 

[Kamil_baku]

As I said, you are referring to the export version of the P-800 Oniks. The Brahmos had no MTCR restriction in range. It was just kept a secret. There is no special new 600Km version. All they have to do is open up another fuel tank that's currently locked. That's why testing for range extension is being conducted with operational missiles. It's just that the guidance requires some adjustments to bring out the full range at high altitude. But at low altitude, the range of the missile was much higher than 120Km.

There is a new version that has a range of over 800Km.

MTCR restiriction is for 300km, and its for export if somebody sell it to you.. I think, thats why they mentioned that they developed it with Russia not to be in that restiriction..
The higher the missile fly, the thinner air which it can fly longer, like 300km for Brahmos, but it will also let other ships to see it early and shoot it with longer range SAM missiles..
Brahmos has 120km range if it flies with see skimming mode, i know what i am talking about..

 

[randomradio]

MTCR restiriction is for 300km, and its for export if somebody sell it to you.. I think, thats why they mentioned that they developed it with Russia not to be in that restiriction..
The higher the missile fly, the thinner air which it can fly longer, like 300km for Brahmos, but it will also let other ships to see it early and shoot it with longer range SAM missiles..
Brahmos has 120km range if it flies with see skimming mode, i know what i am talking about..

Brahmos's range is 600Km. When it gets into the sea skimming mode, the range is still much greater than 120Km.

Basically, the missile does 290Km at high altitude and also 290Km in sea skimming mode. That's how it was designed for peacetime operations. During wartime operations, the high altitude mode would increase to 450Km with small modifications to the plumbing and software. There is another way to open up the missile to 600Km, which takes a bit of effort, but can be done.

These extended range tests are being conducted with user inventory. Do you know what that means?

I would actually recommend looking up the capability of the Russian version of the P-800 Oniks. Brahmos is simply a renamed P-800 with an Indian guidance system.