Featured Pakistan Navy Type 054AP Frigates - Update, News & Discussion

[The Eagle]

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[dy1022]

 

[FuturePAF]

Do you want something like this?
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Something like the Italian FREMM; Bergamini Class would be a better option; it would be a decent upgrade to the Type 054A design (scaled down off course as the italian fremm is 6700 tons); but smaller versions of each sensor can make the upgraded Type 054A an all-round modern air defense warship for countries like Pakistan. Keeping the 32 Cell VLS system is very important, and upgrading 16 of the cells to launch longer range missiles as in the Type 052D would really help.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-k0MPWURS...Owkl70ceRqgCLcB/s1600/Bergamini+ASW+FREMM.jpg
http://www.navalanalyses.com/2014/08/bergamini-class-fremm-frigates-of.html

 

[waz]

Something like the Italian FREMM; Bergamini Class would be a better option; it would be a decent upgrade to the Type 054A design (scaled down off course as the italian fremm is 6700 tons); but smaller versions of each sensor can make the upgraded Type 054A an all-round modern air defense warship for countries like Pakistan. Keeping the 32 Cell VLS system is very important, and upgrading 16 of the cells to launch longer range missiles as in the Type 052D would really help.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-k0MPWURSkyI/WNmAAXFQyqI/AAAAAAAAJPs/IPQtUeFtoDQRCyA6E2PY9uOwkl70ceRqgCLcB/s1600/Bergamini+ASW+FREMM.jpg
http://www.navalanalyses.com/2014/08/bergamini-class-fremm-frigates-of.html

The price is well out of the reach for the Pakistani navy. These ships at current prices are around $600 million dollars....

 

[FuturePAF]

The price is well out of the reach for the Pakistani navy. These ships at current prices are around $600 million dollars....

Aspects of the Italian Fremm Design should be an inspiration for the upgrade of the Type 054A not that exact ship inself; an integrated mast with X Band directors built in and topped with a modern AESA radar high up, room for long VLS tubes (16 out of the 32) for future Longer range missiles, and integration of sub-systems into the design in such a way to maximize reduction of signatures (IR/Thermal, RCS, Visual).

 

[帅的一匹]

Aspects of the Italian Fremm Design should be an inspiration for the upgrade of the Type 054A not that exact ship inself; an integrated mast with X Band directors built in and topped with a modern AESA radar high up, room for long VLS tubes (16 out of the 32) for future Longer range missiles, and integration of sub-systems into the design in such a way to maximize reduction of signatures (IR/Thermal, RCS, Visual).

brother, the way type54b going is more like ROYAL navy type 45. the best way to reduce sound signature is to make it electric propulsion and CODAG.

we will see type 54b rolling out next year.

one QC280 gasturbine and two france liscnesed produced Diesel engine can make it sailing easily beyond 32 KNOTS.

and yes, type 54 shall have the.ability to fire HQ9b with 220Km range.

 

[alimobin memon]

Some sort of new sensory for Type 1100 ciws ?

 

[dy1022]

Some sort of new sensory for Type 1100 ciws ?

C3I in 054A

 

[m3milk]

What Bilal Khan 777 is trying to say is that Chinese platforms still have a way to go before being as effective as Western platforms. This may not be palatable for the over-patriotic Chinese posters, but is the reality. You're buying warships for a billion dollars or more. But if the quality is low, if the weapons systems are not reliable, then lives will be lost and will China pay back the money?

What if key subsystems don't work as advertised during battle? Chinese equipment is made by workers in state owned factories. They have very low wages. What do you expect? World class systems?

state owned factories? True.
Very low wages? Dude, you could never recruit skilled workers by very low wages in the world's 2nd largest economy, especially in Shanghai the city where the 054a shipyard is located and also one of the most expensive cities in the world to live. Please do some research before you spreading nonsense.

And no one here is forcing or persuading PN to buy Chinese weapons, you could definitely go for 'western platforms' if you like， our own navy has huge demands on those battleships and waiting for deliveries.

Pakistan would always be our best friend no matter you purchase our weapons or not, no conditions apply.

 

[Armchair]

state owned factories? True.
Very low wages? Dude, you could never recruit skilled workers by very low wages in the world's 2nd largest economy, especially in Shanghai the city where the 054a shipyard is located and also one of the most expensive cities in the world to live. Please do some research before you spreading nonsense.

And no one here is forcing or persuading PN to buy Chinese weapons, you could definitely go for 'western platforms' if you like， our own navy has huge demands on those battleships and waiting for deliveries.

Pakistan would always be our best friend no matter you purchase our weapons or not, no conditions apply.

Whatever helps you feel better, my Chinese brother.

 

[CriticalThought]

Whatever helps you feel better, my Chinese brother.

Hey, you are the same guy displaying rude behaviour on the other thread as well. You are the kind of person who levels personal attacks, presents specious arguments, and tries to hide behind fallacious logic in order to shout down people who are debating logically. And now you are trying to be rude to our Chinese friends as well without presenting any objective evidences. You are a really sad piece of work.

@wanglaokan

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Stop
I can not imagine there are double face people like you in Pakistan who are wolfs under sheep’s skin to undermine the relationship between China and Pakistan

Kindly stop your abuse for PDF members. Immediately. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean you go about calling people names. You are not doing China any favors by showing such childish behavior.

state owned factories? True.
Very low wages? Dude, you could never recruit skilled workers by very low wages in the world's 2nd largest economy, especially in Shanghai the city where the 054a shipyard is located and also one of the most expensive cities in the world to live. Please do some research before you spreading nonsense.

And no one here is forcing or persuading PN to buy Chinese weapons, you could definitely go for 'western platforms' if you like， our own navy has huge demands on those battleships and waiting for deliveries.

Pakistan would always be our best friend no matter you purchase our weapons or not, no conditions apply.

This argument has no bearing on Government of Pakistan strategy and discussions. Kindly stop arguing.

 

[royalharris]

Kindly stop your abuse for PDF members. Immediately. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean you go about calling people names. You are not doing China any favors by showing such childish behavior.

Kindly stop your abuse for PDF members. Immediately. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean you go about calling people names. You are not doing China any favors by showing such childish behavior.



This argument has no bearing on Government of Pakistan strategy and discussions. Kindly stop arguing.

Learn Chinese,go around,do some research,Say same real professional thing
Or else,your professional title will cheat a lot of people

 

[帅的一匹]

say something positive, dont sling mud at each other . its useless and annoying.

stay on topic.

Hey, you are the same guy displaying rude behaviour on the other thread as well. You are the kind of person who levels personal attacks, presents specious arguments, and tries to hide behind fallacious logic in order to shout down people who are debating logically. And now you are trying to be rude to our Chinese friends as well without presenting any objective evidences. You are a really sad piece of work.

@wanglaokan

lets not get carried away, stay on topic brother.

these guys are professional, and we are just military fans.

we cant level attacks on personal, unless technically debate. otherwise our enemies will gloat over it.

lets call it an end.

 

[araz]

state owned factories? True.
Very low wages? Dude, you could never recruit skilled workers by very low wages in the world's 2nd largest economy, especially in Shanghai the city where the 054a shipyard is located and also one of the most expensive cities in the world to live. Please do some research before you spreading nonsense.

And no one here is forcing or persuading PN to buy Chinese weapons, you could definitely go for 'western platforms' if you like， our own navy has huge demands on those battleships and waiting for deliveries.

Pakistan would always be our best friend no matter you purchase our weapons or not, no conditions apply.

PN makes a judgement based on its requirements and its budget. The 054A provides all the requisite capabilities in the ball park figure at a price to fit PN's bidget. The Chinese Government sanctions loans to buy the product and so it happens. The capabilities are current and much beyond what PN currently has. So a welcome step. The quality of product and armaments and upgradeability is something only PLAN/ PN can comment on. Obviously with mass production of a mature design quality would have to be good. Howecer for the moment lets leave that discussion out of the fray. Once the product arrives it will be a litmus test for its quality. I remain interested in why PN does not want to upgrade its F22ps inspite of theChinese offer.
@Bilal Khan 777 , @Bilal Khan (Quwa),@Oscar any thoughts.
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