Featured Pakistan Navy Type 054AP Frigates - Update, News & Discussion

[YeBeWarned]

The answer is no. PN prefers to choose a mature product.

Type 54A is carrying HQ16 right ? which version 40km or 70km ?

 

[ziaulislam]

Type 54A is carrying HQ16 right ? which version 40km or 70km ?

i think it should be able to carry both version, as the system is the same, just the missle is different

 

[LKJ86]

Type 54A is carrying HQ16 right ? which version 40km or 70km ?

Type 054A is carrying HQ-16 and Yu-8.
The range of HQ-16B/C is about 70km, but HQ-16B is land-based.
And of course, Type 054A FFG chooses to carry HQ-16C.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Type 054A is carrying HQ-16 and Yu-8.
The range of HQ-16B/C is about 70km, but HQ-16B is land-based.
And of course, Type 05A FFG chooses to carry HQ-16C.

That means PN type 54's will have HQ16C with 70Km .. Good and thanks bro

 

[LKJ86]

That means PN type 54's will have HQ16C with 70Km .. Good and thanks bro

Of course, PN's Type 054A can carry HQ-16C, but I am not sure whether PN has chosen it already.

 

[FuturePAF]

Of course, PN's Type 054A can carry HQ-16C, but I am not sure whether PN has chosen it already.

Based on PLAN Shipbuilding and Radar programs, would upgrading the Type 054A design, to handle a saturation attack, be necessary or is the current design good enough to detect, track, and guide enough HQ-16C (max range 70 km) to engage half a dozen Brahmos at once?

Would an upgrade the design to something like the ANZAC Frigates or something like the Spanish F-110 Frigates (similar configuration to the Type 55; with multiple bands of radar stacked on top of each other in an integrated mast) be worth it? If the Upgrade is necessary to reliably engage at least threats many threats at once, how much extra would an upgrade to each of the two mentioned design cost be? (Open to all members, but especially to members that read Chinese language forums and could give more information on capability and cost estimates based on past programs).

If successful, a modified design could be applied to the current PLAN Type 054A designs (lowering unit costs for the upgrades) and give them better Independent Air Defense capabilities to protect corvettes and patrol boats, freeing up the Destroyers to operate further away in Blue Waters.

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[LKJ86]

Based on PLAN Shipbuilding and Radar programs, would upgrading the Type 054A design, to handle a saturation attack, be necessary or is the current design good enough to detect, track, and guide enough HQ-16C (max range 70 km) to engage half a dozen Brahmos at once?

Would an upgrade the design to something like the ANZAC Frigates or something like the Spanish F-110 Frigates (similar configuration to the Type 55; with multiple bands of radar stacked on top of each other in an integrated mast) be worth it? If the Upgrade is necessary to reliably engage at least threats many threats at once, how much extra would an upgrade to each of the two mentioned design cost be? (Open to all members, but especially to members that read Chinese language forums and could give more information on capability and cost estimates based on past programs).

If successful, a modified design could be applied to the current PLAN Type 054A designs (lowering unit costs for the upgrades) and give them better Independent Air Defense capabilities to protect corvettes and patrol boats, freeing up the Destroyers to operate further away in Blue Waters.

http://miragec14.blogspot.com/2018/07/spain-cleared-to-buy-aegis-systems-for.html
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-IKK8SQ6t...5c0NonMpRynKt2dXx_cqMbGtACLcBGAs/s640/1td.jpg

1. PLAN never considers to use Type 054A for air defense missions, and Type 052C/D and 055 will do that job instead. HQ-16C is enough to PLAN's Type 054A in the near future, just like Type 056A that only has HQ-10. So, there is no rush to upgrade PLAN's Type 054A.

2. But to PN, Type 054A may be requsted to do more jobs, including the fleet air defense. But Type 054A is just about 4000 tons, and its modified design for air defense doesn't mean much. To be honest, PN should buy some Type 052D DDGs for the fleet air defense. HHQ-9B/C can provide what you need.

 

[YeBeWarned]

i think it should be able to carry both version, as the system is the same, just the missle is different

the Dynamics of the two missile with 40 and 70 KM range would be different hence accommodating it in the Same VLS would have been difficult .

2. But to PN, Type 054A may be requsted to do more jobs, including the fleet air defense. But Type 054A is just about 4000 tons, and its modified design for air defense doesn't mean much. To be honest, PN should buy some Type 052D DDGs for the fleet air defense. HQ-9B/C can provide what you need.

PN for the near future will not go for Specific Role ships as our budget does not allow that Luxury , we will be getting multi-role Frigates which as you will be assigned on various roles ,type 54A is very basic yet modern design for a Multi purpose frigate , which PN can easily turned into a Air Defense Frigate , put HQ-16C on it along with CIWS and 1 FL-3000 on the back , that is pretty decent AD you talking about here .

 

[LKJ86]

the Dynamics of the two missile with 40 and 70 KM range would be different hence accommodating it in the Same VLS would have been difficult .

In fact, HQ-16/A and HQ-16B/C are almost the same size, so they can be in the same VLS. But HQ-16/A is outdated.

 

[YeBeWarned]

In fact, HQ-16A and HQ-16B are the same size, so they can be in the same VLS. But HQ-16A is outdated.

What HQ-16C ? does it have new seeker or guidance ? compared to old models ?

 

[LKJ86]

HQ-16A & HQ-16B

 

[HRK]

PN should buy some Type 052D DDGs for the fleet air defense. HHQ-9B/C can provide what you need.

actually there are few active ships in PLAN in which PN might find interest in future to adopt as second hand purchase in few years like
2 Type-51C (operational with PLAN almost from 12-13 years)
2 Type-52B (operational with PLAN almost from 14 years)
2 Type-52C (earlier two examples, operational with PLAN almost from 13 years)

 

[LKJ86]

actually there are few active ships in PLAN in which PN might find interest in future to adopt as second hand purchase in few years like
2 Type-51C (operational with PLAN almost from 12-13 years)
2 Type-52B (operational with PLAN almost from 14 years)
2 Type-52C (earlier two examples, operational with PLAN almost from 13 years)

1. Type 051C DDG only can use Russia's SAN6, no HHQ-9.
2. The air defense system of Type 054A FFG is better than that of Type 052B DDG.
3. Type 052C DDG doesn't use the same VLS as Type 052D/055 DDGs.

 

[HRK]

1. Type 051C DDG only can use Russia's SAN6, no HHQ-9.
2. The air defense system of Type 054A FFG is better than that of Type 052B DDG.
3. Type 052C DDG doesn't use the same VLS as Type 052D/055 DDGs.

I know but this is the best we might be able to afford in next 5-7 years, during this time most of the above mention ships would have completed their 17-20 years of service in PLAN and might be required midlife upgrade to continue their services with PLAN, but I don't think Chinese Navy would be much interested in their midlife upgrades as the inclusion of new and modern DDGs would be more than sufficient to meet PLAN need for extended period in future.

In this case these ships with midlife upgrade would be useful for PN.

 

[LKJ86]

I know but this is the best we might be able to afford in next 5-7 years, during this time most of the above mention ships would have completed their 17-20 years of service in PLAN and might be required midlife upgrade to continue their services with PLAN, but I don't think Chinese Navy would be much interested in their midlife upgrades as the inclusion of new and modern DDGs would be more than sufficient to meet PLAN need for extended period in future.

In this case these ships with midlife upgrade would be useful for PN.

You are right.