Featured Pakistan Navy Type 054AP Frigates - Update, News & Discussion

[Tornado23]

THERE IS OTHER WAYS TO PROTECT OUR NAVAL ASSESTS IN SEAS, IN CASE OF WAR WITH INDIA OUR NAVAL ASSEST NOT FIGHTING ALONE IN SEAS, THEY PROTECTED OFTEN FIGHTER ESCORT, FROM UNDERWATER THEY PROTECTED BY OUR SUBS

AS FOR CRUISE MISSILES THAT HAVE A RANGE OF 1500 KMs HAVE CHANCE TO BE DESTROY WITH LAYERED DEFESE SYSTEM BY THE ENEMY, BECUASE THESE ARE SLOW ( ITS DOESN'T MATTER THEY HAVE TERRAIN HUGGING CAPABILITY) THEY HAVE STILL A CHANCE TO BEING INTERCEPTED BUT BALLISTIC MISSILES ARE VIRTUALLY UNSTOPPABLE

Every cruise missile has the chance of being intercepted and destroyed...

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Every cruise missile has the chance of being intercepted and destroyed...

Supersonics has less chances to intercept as compare to subsonic ones because they have less reaction times than subsonic cruise missiles

 

[Akh1112]

Supersonics has less chances to intercept as compare to subsonic ones because they have less reaction times than subsonic cruise missiles

This is not accurate AT ALL.

Supersonics/Hypersonics generally have to fly higher due to the extra speed, this is because the lower you are, the more dense the atmosphere is which means you'd have a lot more drag/resistance.

What this means is that you have a higher chance to be detected as there is nothing to 'hide' you.

Subsonics have the ability to fly low and close to the ground, using the terrain to mask their movement and the earth's horizon to limit detection time. I will attach a graphic that i have made for you below.

This is a VERY simplified example that explains what ive said above. Green being subsonic terrian hugging, Blue being Super/hypersonics. As you can see, the advantage of using the terrain to mask your signature will also give you reduced detection times, especially if you're in a hilly area for example, vs a flat area like the one i have drawn above. There's a reason why LRASM and NSM are subsonic, they allow for late detection due to their low flight altitude vs something like a BrahMos or Oniks.

 

[Tornado23]

Supersonics has less chances to intercept as compare to subsonic ones because they have less reaction times than subsonic cruise missiles

Not necessarily.

Sub sonic cruise missiles are usually terrain hugging missiles with a low RCS. Those are pretty hard to detect and intercept at range. That's their main advantage.

With super sonic cruise missiles... I don't think they can terrain hug, but their main advantage is the low RCS and its speed.

In all honesty the supersonic cm will have the easiest chance of being intercepted. Although it's speed and low RCS can possibly negate that factor.

 

[Akh1112]

Not necessarily.

Sub sonic cruise missiles are usually terrain hugging missiles with a low RCS. Those are pretty hard to detect and intercept at range. That's their main advantage.

With super sonic cruise missiles... I don't think they can terrain hug, but their main advantage is the low RCS and its speed.

In all honesty the supersonic cm will have the easiest chance of being intercepted. Although it's speed and low RCS can possibly negate that factor.

Low RCS is not an inherent quantity of any missile type.

Neither type MUST have a Low RCS, that is up to the designers/requirements. Its not something that is a given.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

This is not accurate AT ALL.

Supersonics/Hypersonics generally have to fly higher due to the extra speed, this is because the lower you are, the more dense the atmosphere is which means you'd have a lot more drag/resistance.

What this means is that you have a higher chance to be detected as there is nothing to 'hide' you.

Subsonics have the ability to fly low and close to the ground, using the terrain to mask their movement and the earth's horizon to limit detection time. I will attach a graphic that i have made for you below.
View attachment 759540

This is a VERY simplified example that explains what ive said above. Green being subsonic terrian hugging, Blue being Super/hypersonics. As you can see, the advantage of using the terrain to mask your signature will also give you reduced detection times, especially if you're in a hilly area for example, vs a flat area like the one i have drawn above. There's a reason why LRASM and NSM are subsonic, they allow for late detection due to their low flight altitude vs something like a BrahMos or Oniks.

Yes sir I know these facts but the time between detection and the the hitting the targets for subsonic cruise missiles have a more chance to being destroyed ( more reaction times for subsonic cruise missiles)

There is a article on various sources that's says USN is being concerned to hybrid cruise missiles ( subsonic in cruise phase ànd terminal supersonic) like clubs version that are extremely hard to be intercept

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Not necessarily.

Sub sonic cruise missiles are usually terrain hugging missiles with a low RCS. Those are pretty hard to detect and intercept at range. That's their main advantage.

With super sonic cruise missiles... I don't think they can terrain hug, but their main advantage is the low RCS and its speed.

In all honesty the supersonic cm will have the easiest chance of being intercepted. Although it's speed and low RCS can possibly negate that factor.

Yes you're right, but you're also consider that the time between detection ànd hitting the targets because of its slow speed its has more reaction times to intercept

Lets assume subsonic cruise missile is detected by the sensors to the range of 25 km so travelling to 25 km subsonic cruise missile can cover that distance in about 180 seconds

Ànd now compare this situation with supersonic cruise missile if we assume supersonic cruise missile that's being detected by your sensors 40 km away to cover that distance its takes 25 to 50 seconds to reach the target, so hence it has far less reaction times to being intercepted

But you're right supersonic cruise missiles are not true CRUISE missiles much higher than subsonic cruise missiles which is SEA SKIMMERS (TRAVELLING FEW METERS ABOVE THE SEAS) whereas supersonic cruise missiles can CRUISE TENS OF METERS ABOVE THE SEAS, ànd supersonic cruise missiles has BIG RCS and IR signatures hence it being detected far earlier than subsonic ones

But USN is worries about HYBRID CRUISE MISSILES (SUBSONIC CRUISE+ TERMINAL SUPERSONIC) like Russian club series of cruise missiles they have both qualities ( subsonic's STEALTH+LESS REACTION TIMES of supersonic cruise missiles) ànd USN considered them extremely hard to intercept

 

[Tornado23]

Yes you're right, but you're also consider that the time between detection ànd hitting the targets because of its slow speed its has more reaction times to intercept

Lets assume subsonic cruise missile is detected by the sensors to the range of 25 km so travelling to 25 km subsonic cruise missile can cover that distance in about 180 seconds

Ànd now compare this situation with supersonic cruise missile if we assume supersonic cruise missile that's being detected by your sensors 40 km away to cover that distance its takes 25 to 50 seconds to reach the target, so hence it has far less reaction times to being intercepted

But you're right supersonic cruise missiles are not true CRUISE missiles much higher than subsonic cruise missiles which is SEA SKIMMERS (TRAVELLING FEW METERS ABOVE THE SEAS) whereas supersonic cruise missiles can CRUISE TENS OF METERS ABOVE THE SEAS, ànd supersonic cruise missiles has BIG RCS and IR signatures hence it being detected far earlier than subsonic ones

But USN is worries about HYBRID CRUISE MISSILES (SUBSONIC CRUISE+ TERMINAL SUPERSONIC) like Russian club series of cruise missiles they have both qualities ( subsonic's STEALTH+LESS REACTION TIMES of supersonic cruise missiles) ànd USN considered them extremely hard to intercept

Both of them have their benefits and drawbacks.

Both of them can be intercepted. At the end of the day, it depends how you are shooting them, where you are shooting them and what you are shooting them at.

 

[waz]

Brothers stick to the topic.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Latest image of our frigate.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1412967784804278280

 

[SD 10]

Latest image of our frigate.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1412967784804278280

NOw thats a proper ship

 

[Ali_Baba]

There used to be a time when all PN would buy was 25-year old relics & cast-offs from the UK and USA and had to beg for them, and now - finally we can see PN procure brand new ships with the latest weapons systems and equipments.

Very refreshing.

 

[MastanKhan]

There used to be a time when all PN would buy was 25-year old relics & cast-offs from the UK and USA and had to beg for them, and now - finally we can see PN procure brand new ships with the latest weapons systems and equipments.

Very refreshing.

Hi,

Those two enemy subs close tp gwadar made the chinese reset their priorities fast.

 

[LKJ86]

PLAN's 31st Type 054A FFG launched

Via @鹰眼军视 from Weibo

 

[Tornado23]

Hi,

Those two enemy subs close tp gwadar made the chinese reset their priorities fast.

Come again?