Pakistan Navy to Purchase Frigates from China

[Armchair]

It'd be interesting if the Chinese themselves opt for a basic aircraft carrier - e.g. store, launch and recover - as a means to rapidly build a expeditionary naval air presence. It could still be capable enough to support fast jets via catapults, but if the acquisition and initial support cost is kept within $1bn, it could be doable for the PN. In fact, the Chinese would be ideal partners for this because they can scale the development overhead across many ships.

PS: I know we're getting 'fanciful' with the carrier talk and all, but sometimes, you have to push for high expectations so as to build incentive and determination to proper in the required inputs (e.g. the economy).

That's what I love to hear - let's at least imagine. You don't know what you are rejecting unless you at least first consider it. The problem with fast jets is that they require a very strong deck for landing and takeoff. For a Super Tucano class, the actual aircraft carrier can be considerably smaller and cheaper. You could even use catapults but even without them, they would work.

If you built a BAe SABA type for the PA, and built some navalized version of them for the PN, you could have an aircraft carrier at about 400 million USD. If you used piston engines rather than turboprops, you could build them cheap. For instance, in the civilian aircraft market, a 4 seater with a turboprop can be about 2 million USD, for the same aircraft, a piston engine costs 1 million USD.

If you build a SABA with a piston engine, you could build them at 4-6 million USD, all things considered. If you built 100 units for the PA, and 25 for the PN, you'd have a low cost carrier air wing. Add a pair of helicopters for good measure, and you have a bare basic but operational aircraft carrier that can project power and even be used as a diplomatic tool in the Gulf. So, at about 550 million to 600 million, you have a budget, pocket aircraft carrier that can support your naval strike force both defensively and offensively.

They can hunt incoming cruise missiles, conduct ASW (S-3 Viking type version) take out enemy helicopters and who knows? even enemy fighters, given how the early Harriers fought of much faster jets during the Falklands, this doesn't seem impossible. Particularly with A-Darters and HMDs.

 

[CriticalThought]

It'd be interesting if the Chinese themselves opt for a basic aircraft carrier - e.g. store, launch and recover - as a means to rapidly build a expeditionary naval air presence. It could still be capable enough to support fast jets via catapults, but if the acquisition and initial support cost is kept within $1bn, it could be doable for the PN. In fact, the Chinese would be ideal partners for this because they can scale the development overhead across many ships.

PS: I know we're getting 'fanciful' with the carrier talk and all, but sometimes, you have to push for high expectations so as to build incentive and determination to proper in the required inputs (e.g. the economy).

It would be nice if Pakistan could create some artificial islands within its own EEZ. To that effect, recently, a dredger was loaned by China to PN. We should make the best use of it.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

all you need to do is to shoot down those P8I at 180-200km distance by deploying Jf17 III with PL15 (dual pulse solid rocket motor)VLRAAm.

india only have 8 P8I.

Jf17III can carry at least 2 PL15 for air superiority.

Their P8I would not be flying without CAP and AEW, and they will have similar BVR options in their package.

We need submarines which can accommodate 2000km SLCMs, to hit enemy deep or from safe distance but still with 450km CM PN will go after important enemy coastal targets even if it deploy P-8s, its cat and mouse game and cat not always win.

The sea is a large place to find a dinky little submarine lurking at 200 meters with a SLCM load with "other" options.

In theory, yes, but the cost of the Aster 30 (plus radar, other electronics, integration and testing) will probably cost as much as the ship, maybe more. The PN could basically wait for the next gen of Chinese SAMs (e.g. rumoured HQ-26).

ASTER 30 would not be offered for a Chinese platform, unless the combat system is from the same source. Same would be CAMM ER, but combat system would have to be from same source. This will be a problem with most western systems being procured will have some issue when the platform is Eastern sourced.

 

[帅的一匹]

Their P8I would not be flying without CAP and AEW, and they will have similar BVR options in their package.



The sea is a large place to find a dinky little submarine lurking at 200 meters with a SLCM load with "other" options.



ASTER 30 would not be offered for a Chinese platform, unless the combat system is from the same source. Same would be CAMM ER, but combat system would have to be from same source. This will be a problem with most western systems being procured will have some issue when the platform is Eastern sourced.

AZM comes into play if enemy run CAP and AEW.

 

[Storm Force]

AZM comes into play if enemy run CAP and AEW.

IN WHICH DECADE ??? are you talking about

Today the P8 posedion will be escorted by either MIG29K from Navy or SU30MKI from air force

But I don't see the JF17 with a PL15 it does not exist

IF you move to 2022-2024 when you may have this JF17 with PL15
Then India may be escorting P8 with Rafales armed with meteore BVR and French Aesa
Or even F16/70 with Aesa and Amraam C7

YOUR AZM is a million miles away ,,,,,,, By which time India will have added 25 more warships

 

[syed_yusuf]

IN WHICH DECADE ??? are you talking about

Today the P8 posedion will be escorted by either MIG29K from Navy or SU30MKI from air force

But I don't see the JF17 with a PL15 it does not exist

IF you move to 2022-2024 when you may have this JF17 with PL15
Then India may be escorting P8 with Rafales armed with meteore BVR and French Aesa
Or even F16/70 with Aesa and Amraam C7

YOUR AZM is a million miles away ,,,,,,, By which time India will have added 25 more warships

rafel full ops readiness and numbers are not till 2021
su30mki is not cutting edge anyway
mig-29K is no F-15 silent eagle

AZM might be a decade away in numbers... but upgraded F-16 and blk3 JFT will be enough to ward off any AIF threats

 

[Storm Force]

rafel full ops readiness and numbers are not till 2021
su30mki is not cutting edge anyway
mig-29K is no F-15 silent eagle

AZM might be a decade away in numbers... but upgraded F-16 and blk3 JFT will be enough to ward off any AIF threats

Bulk 3 JFT is unknown . The Current JFT is so basic it doesn't even carry a HMD or HOBS missle. So lets see what improvements you make in blk 3 first...... There is at lesast a dozen I'm[provememts needed to make the JFT a worthy opponent for IAF top end mki/mirage 2000 or MIG29 fighters.

As For F16 are these prone to sanctions now our relations have soured with USA and if I recall there are only 18 block 52 the rest are 30 years old base line F16 with outdated engines and radars

 

[TOPGUN]

Bulk 3 JFT is unknown . The Current JFT is so basic it doesn't even carry a HMD or HOBS missle. So lets see what improvements you make in blk 3 first...... There is at lesast a dozen I'm[provememts needed to make the JFT a worthy opponent for IAF top end mki/mirage 2000 or MIG29 fighters.

As For F16 are these prone to sanctions now our relations have soured with USA and if I recall there are only 18 block 52 the rest are 30 years old base line F16 with outdated engines and radars

Don't you worry about it storm we got it covered trust me on that ….

 

[Storm Force]

Don't you worry about it storm we got it covered trust me on that ….

lol

 

[Hamza913]

if I recall there are only 18 block 52 the rest are 30 years old base line F16 with outdated engines and radars

45 of them were upgraded extensively to block 50 standard. The remaining 13 are the Jordanian F-16's (no clue what state they're in).

 

[BHarwana]

45 of them were upgraded extensively to block 50 standard. The remaining 13 are the Jordanian F-16's (no clue what state they're in).

 

[syed_yusuf]

Bulk 3 JFT is unknown . The Current JFT is so basic it doesn't even carry a HMD or HOBS missle. So lets see what improvements you make in blk 3 first...... There is at lesast a dozen I'm[provememts needed to make the JFT a worthy opponent for IAF top end mki/mirage 2000 or MIG29 fighters.

As For F16 are these prone to sanctions now our relations have soured with USA and if I recall there are only 18 block 52 the rest are 30 years old base line F16 with outdated engines and radars

Bulk 3 JFT is unknown . The Current JFT is so basic it doesn't even carry a HMD or HOBS missle. So lets see what improvements you make in blk 3 first...... There is at lesast a dozen I'm[provememts needed to make the JFT a worthy opponent for IAF top end mki/mirage 2000 or MIG29 fighters.

As For F16 are these prone to sanctions now our relations have soured with USA and if I recall there are only 18 block 52 the rest are 30 years old base line F16 with outdated engines and radars

Please first upgrade ur junk mig29 to upgrade, upgrade ur mirage to -5 and then talk about what match what not.

Till then IAF haven't advantage.

There is a block 4 in planning also for jft

By then u upgrade all 80's IAF junk PAF will be rolling off AZM

so relax

 

[TOPGUN]

lol

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