Pakistan Navy to Purchase Frigates from China

[ARMalik]

if building the artificial island near Pakistan coast is not impossible than it must be near to impossible due the the depth of seabed in Arabian ocean near Pakistan's coat

Depth of Indus Fan
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Location of Indus Fan
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Depth of Murray Ridge
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Location of Murray Ridge
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You can observe the depth and location Murray Ridge and Indus fan

Yes this may be true but then there are other options, example, create an Island based on Offshore Oil Rigs technology. It will serve the same purpose. Based on this tech, this Island can be establish anywhere in the Arabian sea.

 

[Armchair]

Another option could be to go for a defensive aircraft carrier, in the 8,000 ton (11,000 ton loaded) range. The Soviets had a defensive carrier strategy that would give their subs the needed time to get out of port.

8000-12000 ton aircraft carriers were common during WW2. Modern, large jets would be hard to mount on such small carriers but WW2 style prop aircraft could work. The flat top superstructure would be a lot cheaper if it didn't have to provide landing for jet aircraft. Using a small number of manned prop fighters (Super tucano types) and a large number of UAVs, UCAVs and a helicopter or 2, you could essentially have a floating island / fleet air defence perimeter.

Just a wild idea but thought its worth sharing.

 

[Basel]

cant we install Aster 30 in this ship?
@wanglaokan @Gryphon

Nope, but possible for customized Miligem.

I agree, I dont see another reason for possible 11 AIP Subs , to defend a small coast line .

PN needs submarines for area denial against IN fleet, also they will be used to hit coastal targets with CMs, also they will be the ones to go after IN nuclear submarines.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Nope, but possible for customized Miligem.

LF-2400 ? it has its own 16 cell VLS , i wonder if it does have space for Aster III ? @Bilal Khan (Quwa)

PN needs submarines for area denial against IN fleet, also they will be used to hit coastal targets with CMs, also they will be the ones to go after IN nuclear submarines.

we need to patrol the extended EEZ as well , IN wont be coming close to Pakistani shores .. Looks like PN is looking for another Gazi to create the fear into IN .

 

[Basel]

LF-2400 ? it has its own 16 cell VLS , i wonder if it does have space for Aster III ? @Bilal Khan (Quwa)



we need to patrol the extended EEZ as well , IN wont be coming close to Pakistani shores .. Looks like PN is looking for another Gazi to create the fear into IN .

All current purchases are meant to cover EEZ, Miligem, FACs, some submarines (numbers depend on requirements), Patrol vessels with airborne assets supported by land assets will cover EEZ, F-22P will be used as per requirements.

 

[YeBeWarned]

All current purchases are meant to cover EEZ, Miligem, FACs, some submarines (numbers depend on requirements), Patrol vessels with airborne assets supported by land assets will cover EEZ, F-22P will be used as per requirements.

we cant just rely on Subs to counter subs , we need a proper ASW asset in place , something like Pi8 Poseidon .. IN will have them in numbers which will make our subs valuable .

 

[Basel]

we cant just rely on Subs to counter subs , we need a proper ASW asset in place , something like Pi8 Poseidon .. IN will have them in numbers which will make our subs valuable .

We need something to support P-3s in open seas and EFT or Su-35 fits that position.

Its not as simple to find modern AIP submarine in open seas as many here think, P-8 is capable platform but modern submarine in professional hands can handle that threat.

 

[YeBeWarned]

We need something to support P-3s in open seas and EFT or Su-35 fits that position.

Its not as simple to find modern AIP submarine in open seas as many here think, P-8 is capable platform but modern substance in professional hands can handle that threat.

IN has capable ASW capabilities , we can not just under estimate our enemy , Pi8 is a capable sub hunter . I know Subs are not easy to detect but they are not invincible either , once they are detected its almost over for them . we needs LR-SAM and Flankers with EW suite in place .. @Bilal Khan (Quwa) what are other possibilities for PN to handle those Pi8's ?

 

[Basel]

IN has capable ASW capabilities , we can not just under estimate our enemy , Pi8 is a capable sub hunter . I know Subs are not easy to detect but they are not invincible either , once they are detected its almost over for them . we needs LR-SAM and Flankers with EW suite in place .. @Bilal Khan (Quwa) what are other possibilities for PN to handle those Pi8's ?

We need submarines which can accommodate 2000km SLCMs, to hit enemy deep or from safe distance but still with 450km CM PN will go after important enemy coastal targets even if it deploy P-8s, its cat and mouse game and cat not always win.

 

[ARMalik]

Another option could be to go for a defensive aircraft carrier, in the 8,000 ton (11,000 ton loaded) range. The Soviets had a defensive carrier strategy that would give their subs the needed time to get out of port.

8000-12000 ton aircraft carriers were common during WW2. Modern, large jets would be hard to mount on such small carriers but WW2 style prop aircraft could work. The flat top superstructure would be a lot cheaper if it didn't have to provide landing for jet aircraft. Using a small number of manned prop fighters (Super tucano types) and a large number of UAVs, UCAVs and a helicopter or 2, you could essentially have a floating island / fleet air defence perimeter.

Just a wild idea but thought its worth sharing.

Armchair exactly. This is the type of out of box thinking the PN in specific, and the military in general needs desperately, and that was the purpose of my earlier posts. The capability to increase loiter time, and strike and defend a much larger area with limited available resources. It can be done, and it should be done.

 

[帅的一匹]

IN has capable ASW capabilities , we can not just& under estimate our enemy , Pi8 is a capable sub hunter . I know Subs are not easy to detect but they are not invincible either , once they are detected its almost over for them . we needs LR-SAM and Flankers with EW suite in place .. @Bilal Khan (Quwa) what are other possibilities for PN to handle those Pi8's ?

all you need to do is to shoot down those P8I at 180-200km distance by deploying Jf17 III with PL15 (dual pulse solid rocket motor)VLRAAm.

india only have 8 P8I.

Jf17III can carry at least 2 PL15 for air superiority.

 

[syed_yusuf]

Can Pakistan use nuclear power engines on these Subs

French has used nuclear engines on its SSN and those SSN are 2600 tons

 

[YeBeWarned]

We need submarines which can accommodate 2000km SLCMs, to hit enemy deep or from safe distance but still with 450km CM PN will go after important enemy coastal targets even if it deploy P-8s, its cat and mouse game and cat not always win.

2000 KM is too much for PN , i think the most they will go is 1000KM which too seems unlikely in near future .

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Another option could be to go for a defensive aircraft carrier, in the 8,000 ton (11,000 ton loaded) range. The Soviets had a defensive carrier strategy that would give their subs the needed time to get out of port.

8000-12000 ton aircraft carriers were common during WW2. Modern, large jets would be hard to mount on such small carriers but WW2 style prop aircraft could work. The flat top superstructure would be a lot cheaper if it didn't have to provide landing for jet aircraft. Using a small number of manned prop fighters (Super tucano types) and a large number of UAVs, UCAVs and a helicopter or 2, you could essentially have a floating island / fleet air defence perimeter.

Just a wild idea but thought its worth sharing.

It'd be interesting if the Chinese themselves opt for a basic aircraft carrier - e.g. store, launch and recover - as a means to rapidly build a expeditionary naval air presence. It could still be capable enough to support fast jets via catapults, but if the acquisition and initial support cost is kept within $1bn, it could be doable for the PN. In fact, the Chinese would be ideal partners for this because they can scale the development overhead across many ships.

PS: I know we're getting 'fanciful' with the carrier talk and all, but sometimes, you have to push for high expectations so as to build incentive and determination to proper in the required inputs (e.g. the economy).

 

[Basel]

2000 KM is too much for PN , i think the most they will go is 1000KM which too seems unlikely in near future .

Nope, even 2500km is not much for PN as IN is expanding rapidly and will try to have some control over Indian Ocean so PN will need long range strike capabilities also it will put stress on IN assets as they will need to deploy more of them to keep PN substance away from launching CMs.