Pakistan Navy Questions Thread

[Penguin]

Just I wish that PN is looking in to taking Help from China on Submarines with Partners like Egypt, Libya, Algeria, Tunisia and Morocco.

Morocco and Tunesia have no submarine service. Libya may still have a single ancient Russian Foxtrot left. Algeria has been and is acquiring Kilo's from Russia (total now 6). Egypt is replacing its 4 improved (Harpoon equipped) Russian Romeo class with 209s from Germany. I don't see how these countries would partner and if/when they did, why they would involve China (Russia and Germany are at least as likely as partners).

 

[fatman17]

Morocco and Tunesia have no submarine service. Libya may still have a single ancient Russian Foxtrot left. Algeria has been and is acquiring Kilo's from Russia (total now 6). Egypt is replacing its 4 improved (Harpoon equipped) Russian Romeo class with 209s from Germany. I don't see how these countries would partner and if/when they did, why they would involve China (Russia and Germany are at least as likely as partners).

you actually take this guy N101 seriously?

 

[Nishan_101]

Morocco and Tunesia have no submarine service. Libya may still have a single ancient Russian Foxtrot left. Algeria has been and is acquiring Kilo's from Russia (total now 6). Egypt is replacing its 4 improved (Harpoon equipped) Russian Romeo class with 209s from Germany. I don't see how these countries would partner and if/when they did, why they would involve China (Russia and Germany are at least as likely as partners).

But why not? I am sure once they try they can join in.

 

[Penguin]

But why not? I am sure once they try they can join in.

Egypt and Algeria have already chosen other routes. Which leaves Morocco, Tunisia and Libya. Why would these navies invest in developing a submarine when there are several options (existing subs, tried and tested) available to them ? It would be far more cost-effective for such small navies - if they wanted a submarine service - to buy abroad than to develop domestically.

 

[Nishan_101]

Egypt and Algeria have already chosen other routes. Which leaves Morocco, Tunisia and Libya. Why would these navies invest in developing a submarine when there are several options (existing subs, tried and tested) available to them ? It would be far more cost-effective for such small navies - if they wanted a submarine service - to buy abroad than to develop domestically.

@Penguin I respect your comment but Navies are looking to expand and in submarine fleet all over the world. Even if PN had money they would look towards more submarines although PN had missed the chance of producing 6 Agosta-90Bs instead of 3.

But I would still say that doing JV with China will be helpful in the long run as well.

 

[rockstar08]

@Penguin I respect your comment but Navies are looking to expand and in submarine fleet all over the world. Even if PN had money they would look towards more submarines although PN had missed the chance of producing 6 Agosta-90Bs instead of 3.

But I would still say that doing JV with China will be helpful in the long run as well.

your numbers are always far beyond reality ... and also un necessary ...
Pakistan coast line is small and we should build a large fleet , we have no intentions to invade any country ..
we need a proper defense fleet ..that can be like this ...

10-12 frigate
2-3 Chinese guided missile destroyer on lease ..
6-8 Subs
5-6 Corvette
and less than 10 FAC would be enough ...

any senior member can correct my numbers

 

[fatman17]

PN Budget:
12 Surface Vessels (DDG/FFG)
8 Submarines
3 Midget-Subs
3 Minehunters
10-12 FAC (off-shore)
8-10 patrol boats (inshore)
42-44 ships of all kinds
does not include support vessels (tankers, tugs etc)
does not include PN Aviation assets.
with a budget of roughly $400-500m/year, thats all one can afford to operate

 

[araz]

PN Budget:
12 Surface Vessels (DDG/FFG)
8 Submarines
3 Midget-Subs
3 Minehunters
10-12 FAC (off-shore)
8-10 patrol boats (inshore)
42-44 ships of all kinds
does not include support vessels (tankers, tugs etc)
does not include PN Aviation assets.
with a budget of roughly $400-500m/year, thats all one can afford to operate

But Sìr if the navy tried harder and shoved a frigate far up tbe rear end of the profligate politicians then perhaps the economy might Improve and then we could get the martians to smuggle all the gold on Mars and dump it in Pakistan and then we could ask the Trontons from Planet X84zy to take one ounce of gold and replace it with 10 ounces of Platinum and then we can do a JV with russia China and whoever the hell else we can think of and build rivers of viagra and Import all the ladies of the world and then @@@#×÷#$%/=+ad nauseum. And then the chair of TT will perhaps not call me mate and tell me in a very condescending manner not to give such a pile of shit a negative rating. Sir how is that for a rant from an old man.
Sir it may be time for me to go but it annoys me the way this forum has gone to the dogs and the cats and all the rest. I hope you enjoy the post and understand the thoughts it is written with.
kindest regards.
Araz

 

[Penguin]

But Sìr if the navy tried harder and shoved a frigate far up tbe rear end of the profligate politicians then perhaps the economy might Improve and then we could get the martians to smuggle all the gold on Mars and dump it in Pakistan and then we could ask the Trontons from Planet X84zy to take one ounce of gold and replace it with 10 ounces of Platinum and then we can do a JV with russia China and whoever the hell else we can think of and build rivers of viagra and Import all the ladies of the world and then @@@#×÷#$%/=+ad nauseum. And then the chair of TT will perhaps not call me mate and tell me in a very condescending manner not to give such a pile of shit a negative rating. Sir how is that for a rant from an old man.
Sir it may be time for me to go but it annoys me the way this forum has gone to the dogs and the cats and all the rest. I hope you enjoy the post and understand the thoughts it is written with.
kindest regards.
Araz

Very good!

 

[EagleEyes]

But Sìr if the navy tried harder and shoved a frigate far up tbe rear end of the profligate politicians then perhaps the economy might Improve and then we could get the martians to smuggle all the gold on Mars and dump it in Pakistan and then we could ask the Trontons from Planet X84zy to take one ounce of gold and replace it with 10 ounces of Platinum and then we can do a JV with russia China and whoever the hell else we can think of and build rivers of viagra and Import all the ladies of the world and then @@@#×÷#$%/=+ad nauseum. And then the chair of TT will perhaps not call me mate and tell me in a very condescending manner not to give such a pile of shit a negative rating. Sir how is that for a rant from an old man.
Sir it may be time for me to go but it annoys me the way this forum has gone to the dogs and the cats and all the rest. I hope you enjoy the post and understand the thoughts it is written with.
kindest regards.
Araz

Nishan and his multiple ID is banned permanently. If you have suggestions to improve feel free to post where you know it will be read.

 

[Zarvan]

Nishan and his multiple ID is banned permanently. If you have suggestions to improve feel free to post where you know it will be read.

Why you banned Nishan Permanently ?

 

[fatman17]

But Sìr if the navy tried harder and shoved a frigate far up tbe rear end of the profligate politicians then perhaps the economy might Improve and then we could get the martians to smuggle all the gold on Mars and dump it in Pakistan and then we could ask the Trontons from Planet X84zy to take one ounce of gold and replace it with 10 ounces of Platinum and then we can do a JV with russia China and whoever the hell else we can think of and build rivers of viagra and Import all the ladies of the world and then @@@#×÷#$%/=+ad nauseum. And then the chair of TT will perhaps not call me mate and tell me in a very condescending manner not to give such a pile of shit a negative rating. Sir how is that for a rant from an old man.
Sir it may be time for me to go but it annoys me the way this forum has gone to the dogs and the cats and all the rest. I hope you enjoy the post and understand the thoughts it is written with.
kindest regards.
Araz

we are the last of the dinosaurs sirjee....

 

[Quwa]

If only the corrupt politicians and their enablers (in the military, bureaucracy, business community, etc) just called it quits and left for their foreign-based homes. Everyone wins.

 

[Malghani]

 

[Commandant]

Hi

I have a question about Pakistan Navy , anybody can help me ?

I was wondering if anybody knows anything about 2 former Destroyers of Iranian navy that Pakistan bought in early 90s

they were ex USN destroyers ( USS Zellars (DD-777) and USS Stormes (DD-780) ) that were in service in IRN under the names of Babr (D61) and Palang (D62)

I was wondering if you could tell me if they are in service or they were bought just to be scrapped