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ISLAMABAD: Naval officials informed the Standing Committee on Defence Monday that the federal government has endorsed a summary to get eight submarines from China.

Pakistan's military has long been a major importer of defence equipment, particularly from key ally China.

After the Cold War ended Pakistan began to deepen defence and economic ties with China.

Take a look: With new JF-17, Pakistan aims for boost to defence exports

The committee was informed that Secretary of the Economic Affairs division Muhammad Saleem Sethi would be leaving for China tomorrow where the issue is expected to come under discussion.

The officials also said that the national security committee will give the final nod to go ahead with the plan to get eight submarines from China.

"Other proposals are under consideration as well. The Pakistan navy is also in touch with Germany, Britain and France to purchase used submarines," officials informed the committee.

Keeping in view the level of threat and the present status of submarines, naval officials said Pakistan needed the latest submarines.

The naval officials also revealed that France had refused to provide submarines to Pakistan.

They said there seemed to be various reasons behind France's refusal to sell submarines to Pakistan — including an issue of technology transfer. On the other hand, they said France was selling its submarines to India.

The naval officials rejected some committee members' concerns that Chinese technology was not of satisfactory quality.They said there was no such issue at hand as JF-17 has proven to be a world class military jet.

The officials informed the standing committee that Pakistan's defence relations with Russia were also improving.

On the other hand, there appeared to be a divide among committee members whether Pakistan should send troops to Saudi Arabia.

Defence Secretary Lieutenant General (retd) Alam Khattak said that the Pakistan Army would abide by the government's decision on whether to send troops to Saudi Arabia to partake in a military campaign in Yemen.

This was the first time that the defence secretary spelled out the official stance of the Pakistan Army on sending troops to Saudi Arabia to partake in a military campaign in Yemen.

His brief comment came in response to a volley of questions by committee members as to whether military troops would be sent to the Saudi kingdom.

Chairman Sheikh Rohail Asghar maintained that the Pakistan Army should chase terrorists regardless of their location but women members belonging to the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) and Awami National Party (ANP) had a different point of view.
 
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ISLAMABAD: Naval officials informed the Standing Committee on Defence Monday that the federal government has endorsed a summary to get eight submarines from China.

Pakistan's military has long been a major importer of defence equipment, particularly from key ally China.

After the Cold War ended Pakistan began to deepen defence and economic ties with China.

Take a look: With new JF-17, Pakistan aims for boost to defence exports

The committee was informed that Secretary of the Economic Affairs division Muhammad Saleem Sethi would be leaving for China tomorrow where the issue is expected to come under discussion.

The officials also said that the national security committee will give the final nod to go ahead with the plan to get eight submarines from China.

"Other proposals are under consideration as well. The Pakistan navy is also in touch with Germany, Britain and France to purchase used submarines," officials informed the committee.

Keeping in view the level of threat and the present status of submarines, naval officials said Pakistan needed the latest submarines.

The naval officials also revealed that France had refused to provide submarines to Pakistan.

They said there seemed to be various reasons behind France's refusal to sell submarines to Pakistan — including an issue of technology transfer. On the other hand, they said France was selling its submarines to India.

The naval officials rejected some committee members' concerns that Chinese technology was not of satisfactory quality.They said there was no such issue at hand as JF-17 has proven to be a world class military jet.

The officials informed the standing committee that Pakistan's defence relations with Russia were also improving.

On the other hand, there appeared to be a divide among committee members whether Pakistan should send troops to Saudi Arabia.

Defence Secretary Lieutenant General (retd) Alam Khattak said that the Pakistan Army would abide by the government's decision on whether to send troops to Saudi Arabia to partake in a military campaign in Yemen.

This was the first time that the defence secretary spelled out the official stance of the Pakistan Army on sending troops to Saudi Arabia to partake in a military campaign in Yemen.

His brief comment came in response to a volley of questions by committee members as to whether military troops would be sent to the Saudi kingdom.

Chairman Sheikh Rohail Asghar maintained that the Pakistan Army should chase terrorists regardless of their location but women members belonging to the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) and Awami National Party (ANP) had a different point of view.



While officials are staying tight-lipped about the sale price, it is likely to be substantially less than the $16-18 million cost of an F-16.

Ha ha what an article. Pl spare us from PK media. Today Dawn also reported that the 8 subs will cost between 8 to 10 billion US $. What crap
 
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Depending on when the agreement is signed 4 boats will be built in China and 4 at KSEW. China can deliver 1 boat per year after completion of sea trials. Expect 1st boat to be delivered late 2016 or early 2017 with the remaining delivered by 2020 as KSEW should also start delivery after 2017. Each boat will cost roughly US $ 275 to 300 mill with western AIP
 
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Depending on when the agreement is signed 4 boats will be built in China and 4 at KSEW. China can deliver 1 boat per year after completion of sea trials. Expect 1st boat to be delivered late 2016 or early 2017 with the remaining delivered by 2020 as KSEW should also start delivery after 2017. Each boat will cost roughly US $ 275 to 300 mill with western AIP

What about improved F-22Ps sir? Also on the plate or just another bs news?
 
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Depending on when the agreement is signed 4 boats will be built in China and 4 at KSEW. China can deliver 1 boat per year after completion of sea trials. Expect 1st boat to be delivered late 2016 or early 2017 with the remaining delivered by 2020 as KSEW should also start delivery after 2017. Each boat will cost roughly US $ 275 to 300 mill with western AIP
Price is good. Waiting to know about the finalized equipment and weaponry.

And Urdu media should be banned to report defence related news
 
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Yes. Urdu media should be banned to report defence related news
 
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Govt approves purchase of 8 Chinese submarines, six ATRs aircraft for Pakistan Navy
Army to follow policy of govt about Saudi-Yemen situation: defence secretary




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ISLAMABAD – National Assembly Standing Committee on Defence was told on Tuesday that the army would follow the policy of the government relating to Saudi–Yemen conflict.


The meeting was also told that the government has approved the purchase of eight submarines from China while negotiations are also being held with different countries including Germany, Britain and France for the purchase of second hand submarines. Meeting of the standing committee was held here on Tuesday under the chairmanship of Shaikh Rohail Asghar. It was attended by the secretary defence, the additional secretary defence, the director general military land and other senior officials.


Additional Defence secretary Rear Admiral Mukhtar Khan said that National Security Committee has approved in principle the project to acquire eight Chinese submarines. Financial negotiations for the same are in advance stages. He further said that Pakistan navy requirement of special funds of $ 294 million to upgrade/induct ATRs aircraft has been approved by Ministry of Defence in consultation with the finance division. Summary has been submitted for approval of National Security Committee.


To a question, he informed that Pakistan Navy is also participating in the operation to bring the Pakistani Nationals from Yemen and for this purpose one ship of Pakistan Navy has already been moved towards Yemen and the second ship is ready for departure. The defence secretary said that different options are under consideration for evacuation of Pakistanis in Yemen. One option is to take the Pakistanis to Djibouti and then bring them by air to Pakistan.


There were heated exchanges between Pakistan Muslim League-N’s Junaid Anwar Chaudhry and Muttahida Qaumi Movement’s Kashwar Zehra over Pakistan’s support to Saudi Arabia. Chairman of the Committee said that Pakistan army should follow those who have destroyed peace in Pakistan and other Islamic countries. The committee members expressed their strong resentment for not being invited to Pakistan Day Parade.


Mahmood Khan Achakzai said that matter of acquisition of land in Swat for establishment of Cantonment be settled with the local people as there is great concern because their crops are being destroyed. The standing committee formed a sub committee comprising Mahmood Khan Achakzai, Musarrat Zeb and Saeed Khan to help settle the matter while Director General Military Lands promised to submit a report soon to the committee.


Govt approves purchase of 8 Chinese submarines, six ATRs aircraft for Pakistan Navy
 
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Pakistan in talks with China 'for eight submarines'

Farhan Bokhari, Islamabad and James Hardy, London - IHS Jane's Navy International

31 March 2015



China is marketing the Type 041 SSK overseas as the S20. Source: IHS/Patrick Allen

The Pakistani government has approved the purchase of eight new submarines from China, senior Pakistan Navy officers told the National Assembly's defence committee on 31 March.

In 2011 the government revealed that the navy had begun discussions with China to buy six submarines, with the number of platforms subsequently raised to eight. Those discussions began after the Pakistan Navy stepped back from pursuing the purchase of three submarines from Germany on cost grounds.

The navy officials who spoke on 31 March neither revealed the type of boats to be ordered nor a likely price.

A Pakistani Foreign Ministry official told IHS Jane's that while he did not know which platform would be supplied to Pakistan, "in the recent past, there have been reports of discussions for the Type 041 submarines".

The Type 041 'Yuan' class is described by IHS Jane's Fighting Ships as a diesel electric attack submarine (SSK), potentially with Stirling air independent propulsion, that is armed with YJ-2 (YJ-82) anti-ship missiles and a combination of Yu-4 (SAET-50) passive homing and Yu-3 (SET-65E) active/passive homing torpedoes.

Since 2004 12 Type 041 submarines are believed to have been launched, while the US Department of Defense estimated in its May 2013 annual report to Congress on China's military that production could reach 20 ships. An export version, marketed as the S20 and unveiled in February 2013, displaces about 2,300 tonnes.

The PN is known to operate five French submarines: three Agosta 90B (Khalid-class) submarines purchased in the 1990s and two ageing Agosta 70 (Hashmat-class) boats dating from the late 1970s.

Lieutenant General Talat Masood (retd), who is now a commentator on defence affairs, told IHS Jane's it was "difficult to imagine a price of less than USD500 million per submarine, if not more". By comparison IHS Jane's DS Forecast notes that the Indian Navy is paying USD763 million per boat for six DCNS Scorpene SSKs.

Masood said that in view of the close defence collaboration that exists between China and Pakistan, Beijing was likely to extend a long-term loan, possibly at a low interest rate, to cover the cost of the Type 041s.
 
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Financial Times reported that the deal could be worth 4-5 billion dollars quoting navy sources aware of negotiations
 
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