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probably more, as agosta's cost was about 1Billion for three, that too in the late nineties, rate of everything has gone sky high since then.
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I believe cost was some $750m for the price they are excellent submarines even today the price of $1b for 3 is nothing with better french technologies.
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obviously sir.... but how much can we afford? like i remember u214 deal was of around $1b for 3 subs 5 years back..... so i was thinking that although chinese would be less than that but if u add inflation and also top quality things even chinese cost modest amounts.... comparing $2 billion for six kilos in 2009.... i am expecting PN deal to be atleast $3 billion for six subs with AIP. Also keep in mind that saudi's going for old u-209 subs is expected to be $650 million a piece. so subs are getting very expensive.
What do you Sir?
@Penguin sir your comments on this will be much appreciated.
sir but today you would get just one sub for $750 mil whether german or french.
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Saudi case
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=62360
> 500 million euro or 700 million dollar apiece
> down to 480 million euro if/when 25 are acquired
Misinterpeted.
NOT 2.5billion euro 3.3b dolla per unit!
Saudi Arabia eyes Germany's Type 209 submarines | Terminal X
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=62360
> 500 million euro or 700 million dollar apiece
> down to 480 million euro if/when 25 are acquired
Misinterpeted.
Saudi Arabia 'plans to buy German submarines' | News | DW.DE | 03.11.2013
NOT 2.5billion euro 3.3b dolla per unit!
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Hey man, gold plated submarines that transform into autobots don't come cheap!
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Class 209 PN
NRP Tridente Type 209PN
Unitary Cost: USD$500 million
Singapore Buys New Subs | malaysiaflyingherald
ROKN Chang Bogo Class Submarines - Naval Technology
note: The Chang Bogo class is a variant of the Type 209-1200 > 359 million dollar each
Vietnam Confirms Kilo Sub Buy at Shangri-La | Defense News | defensenews.com about 500 million dollar each in 2011. However ...
Russia dominates Asian market with 28 diesel subs
So it is more like $350 million apiece, which is up from 2007 unitprices
Russia Submarine Import and Export Behavior | Articles | NTI Analysis | NTI
It depends though, what is included in the deal.
Scorpene
Scorpene Basic-AIP
Scorpene submarine scandal - Malaysia Factbook
How much for the Scorpenes? | Free Malaysia Today
Type 214 submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So, the 214TN will be at least 333 million euro (not counting the value of any Turkish electronics and weapons)
Warship Costs | New Wars
It is a safe bet an SS or SSK will set you back at least $350 million to $600 million, a piece.
Chucks, forgot about the gold .....
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Pakistan-Qatar naval co-operation at ‘all-time high’
Pakistan Navy submarine PNS M Hashmat.
10:50 PM
26
March
2014
By Salman Siddiqui/Staff Reporter
The collaboration between Pakistani and Qatari naval forces is at an all-time high with the number of Pakistani personnel on deputation reaching around 170, Pakistan Navy’s Rear Admiral M Amjad, Deputy Chief of Naval Staff (Training & Evaluation) said yesterday.
In an interview with Gulf Times, the senior official said that due to the close relations between the two countries, Pakistan Navy was consistently participating in the Doha International Maritime Defence Exhibition and Conference (Dimdex) since 2008.
Pakistan Navy has brought three naval ships PNS Alamgir, PNS Quwwat, PNS Rasadgar and one submarine PNS M Hashmat to Dimdex 2014.
“The collaboration between our two navies is excellent and very high. Our men, both serving and retired are on deputation at the Qatari naval forces that number around 170 people,” Amjad said.
“The Qatari navy and air force chiefs have told me that they are totally satisfied with the quality of manpower we have sent here to serve in Qatar. They regard them very highly and have indicated their interest to ask for more officers and sailors in the future. We have assured them of our co-operation to whatever extent it is possible,” he added.
The navy officer said that Pakistan could offer a lot in terms of training and degree courses to Qatari military personnel. “They have asked already for training of their aviation crew, including their helicopter observers.”
Pakistan Navy’s Rear Admiral M Amjad,
Deputy Chief of Naval Staff
(Training & Evaluation). Photo by Salman Siddiqui
About Pakistan’s role in promoting maritime security, he said that Pakistan Navy was part of the Coalition Maritime Campaign Plan since April 2004. “We have participated with about 50 ships and have also contributed with aircraft. Our co-operation has been unbroken and every year we have made major contributions,” he said.
He spoke about the successes in anti-piracy and anti-smuggling operations in the Horn of Africa. Also, he highlighted the fact that the navy had provided manpower and commanded several times the task force 150 and the Combined Task Force 151.
“Pakistan’s location at the mouth of the Gulf is very strategic. It is imperative for us to keep very good relations with all the countries in this region,” he said.
About the Gwadar port in Balochistan province, he dispelled the reports that claim that it was a military venture between Pakistan and China. “Gwadar is our national requirement because we have only two ports that are in close proximity of our arch enemy. So, we needed a port at a considerable distance that would service our commercial requirements. At present, we don’t see any military role being played from Gwadar, which exists purely for the sake of safer trade, shorter routes and in our national interest.”
Earlier yesterday, Zain Zulfiquar, Mission Commander of PNS Alamgir, PNS Quwwat, PNS Rasadgar and PNS M Hashmat gave a briefing to visitors.
He said that it was in Pakistan’s interest that sea lines of communication emanating from the Strait of Hormuz and across Horn of Africa remain secure. “Pakistan shares the international will and desire to eradicate piracy…it stands ready to make its contributions in these efforts.”
10:50 PM
26
March
2014
By Salman Siddiqui/Staff Reporter
The collaboration between Pakistani and Qatari naval forces is at an all-time high with the number of Pakistani personnel on deputation reaching around 170, Pakistan Navy’s Rear Admiral M Amjad, Deputy Chief of Naval Staff (Training & Evaluation) said yesterday.
In an interview with Gulf Times, the senior official said that due to the close relations between the two countries, Pakistan Navy was consistently participating in the Doha International Maritime Defence Exhibition and Conference (Dimdex) since 2008.
Pakistan Navy has brought three naval ships PNS Alamgir, PNS Quwwat, PNS Rasadgar and one submarine PNS M Hashmat to Dimdex 2014.
“The collaboration between our two navies is excellent and very high. Our men, both serving and retired are on deputation at the Qatari naval forces that number around 170 people,” Amjad said.
“The Qatari navy and air force chiefs have told me that they are totally satisfied with the quality of manpower we have sent here to serve in Qatar. They regard them very highly and have indicated their interest to ask for more officers and sailors in the future. We have assured them of our co-operation to whatever extent it is possible,” he added.
The navy officer said that Pakistan could offer a lot in terms of training and degree courses to Qatari military personnel. “They have asked already for training of their aviation crew, including their helicopter observers.”
Pakistan Navy’s Rear Admiral M Amjad,
Deputy Chief of Naval Staff
(Training & Evaluation). Photo by Salman Siddiqui
About Pakistan’s role in promoting maritime security, he said that Pakistan Navy was part of the Coalition Maritime Campaign Plan since April 2004. “We have participated with about 50 ships and have also contributed with aircraft. Our co-operation has been unbroken and every year we have made major contributions,” he said.
He spoke about the successes in anti-piracy and anti-smuggling operations in the Horn of Africa. Also, he highlighted the fact that the navy had provided manpower and commanded several times the task force 150 and the Combined Task Force 151.
“Pakistan’s location at the mouth of the Gulf is very strategic. It is imperative for us to keep very good relations with all the countries in this region,” he said.
About the Gwadar port in Balochistan province, he dispelled the reports that claim that it was a military venture between Pakistan and China. “Gwadar is our national requirement because we have only two ports that are in close proximity of our arch enemy. So, we needed a port at a considerable distance that would service our commercial requirements. At present, we don’t see any military role being played from Gwadar, which exists purely for the sake of safer trade, shorter routes and in our national interest.”
Earlier yesterday, Zain Zulfiquar, Mission Commander of PNS Alamgir, PNS Quwwat, PNS Rasadgar and PNS M Hashmat gave a briefing to visitors.
He said that it was in Pakistan’s interest that sea lines of communication emanating from the Strait of Hormuz and across Horn of Africa remain secure. “Pakistan shares the international will and desire to eradicate piracy…it stands ready to make its contributions in these efforts.”
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Pakistan-Qatar naval co-operation at ‘all-time high’
Pakistan Navy submarine PNS M Hashmat.
10:50 PM
26
March
2014
By Salman Siddiqui/Staff Reporter
The collaboration between Pakistani and Qatari naval forces is at an all-time high with the number of Pakistani personnel on deputation reaching around 170, Pakistan Navy’s Rear Admiral M Amjad, Deputy Chief of Naval Staff (Training & Evaluation) said yesterday.
In an interview with Gulf Times, the senior official said that due to the close relations between the two countries, Pakistan Navy was consistently participating in the Doha International Maritime Defence Exhibition and Conference (Dimdex) since 2008.
Pakistan Navy has brought three naval ships PNS Alamgir, PNS Quwwat, PNS Rasadgar and one submarine PNS M Hashmat to Dimdex 2014.
“The collaboration between our two navies is excellent and very high. Our men, both serving and retired are on deputation at the Qatari naval forces that number around 170 people,” Amjad said.
“The Qatari navy and air force chiefs have told me that they are totally satisfied with the quality of manpower we have sent here to serve in Qatar. They regard them very highly and have indicated their interest to ask for more officers and sailors in the future. We have assured them of our co-operation to whatever extent it is possible,” he added.
The navy officer said that Pakistan could offer a lot in terms of training and degree courses to Qatari military personnel. “They have asked already for training of their aviation crew, including their helicopter observers.”
Pakistan Navy’s Rear Admiral M Amjad,
Deputy Chief of Naval Staff
(Training & Evaluation). Photo by Salman Siddiqui
About Pakistan’s role in promoting maritime security, he said that Pakistan Navy was part of the Coalition Maritime Campaign Plan since April 2004. “We have participated with about 50 ships and have also contributed with aircraft. Our co-operation has been unbroken and every year we have made major contributions,” he said.
He spoke about the successes in anti-piracy and anti-smuggling operations in the Horn of Africa. Also, he highlighted the fact that the navy had provided manpower and commanded several times the task force 150 and the Combined Task Force 151.
“Pakistan’s location at the mouth of the Gulf is very strategic. It is imperative for us to keep very good relations with all the countries in this region,” he said.
About the Gwadar port in Balochistan province, he dispelled the reports that claim that it was a military venture between Pakistan and China. “Gwadar is our national requirement because we have only two ports that are in close proximity of our arch enemy. So, we needed a port at a considerable distance that would service our commercial requirements. At present, we don’t see any military role being played from Gwadar, which exists purely for the sake of safer trade, shorter routes and in our national interest.”
Earlier yesterday, Zain Zulfiquar, Mission Commander of PNS Alamgir, PNS Quwwat, PNS Rasadgar and PNS M Hashmat gave a briefing to visitors.
He said that it was in Pakistan’s interest that sea lines of communication emanating from the Strait of Hormuz and across Horn of Africa remain secure. “Pakistan shares the international will and desire to eradicate piracy…it stands ready to make its contributions in these efforts.”
PN should bring in Libya, Algeria, Tunisia and start up a plan with China on Submarines and Ships:
U-Boats:
07 SSBNs: 7000 Tons
11 SSKs: 3500 Tons
11 SSKs: 1600-1800 Tons
11 SSKs: 700 Tons (Coastal)
7-11 SSG Subs: 110-210
5-7 Rescue Submarines: Any Weight
Note: Although the size of the Submarine fleet looks very huge but its better to have more and more submarines than surface combatants as Navies really needs submarines that are fully capable of doing any role.
For Ships:
11 Frigates: 3000-3400 Tons with 2-16Cell VLS Launchers
11 FACs: 1100 Tons with 1-16Cell VLS Launchers
11-16 Missile Crafts: 300-410 Tons Armed with 8 AShMs.
5-7 Tankers and Logistical Ships: 17000 Tons; Able to carry SSGs Submarines about 2 of them.
Large number of Manned and unmanned boats for coastal Security and delivery of Army men across sea.
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Class 209 PN
NRP Tridente Type 209PN
Unitary Cost: USD$500 million
Singapore Buys New Subs | malaysiaflyingherald
ROKN Chang Bogo Class Submarines - Naval Technology
note: The Chang Bogo class is a variant of the Type 209-1200 > 359 million dollar each
Vietnam Confirms Kilo Sub Buy at Shangri-La | Defense News | defensenews.com about 500 million dollar each in 2011. However ...
Russia dominates Asian market with 28 diesel subs
So it is more like $350 million apiece, which is up from 2007 unitprices
Russia Submarine Import and Export Behavior | Articles | NTI Analysis | NTI
It depends though, what is included in the deal.
Scorpene
Scorpene Basic-AIP
Scorpene submarine scandal - Malaysia Factbook
How much for the Scorpenes? | Free Malaysia Today
Type 214 submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So, the 214TN will be at least 333 million euro (not counting the value of any Turkish electronics and weapons)
Warship Costs | New Wars
It is a safe bet an SS or SSK will set you back at least $350 million to $600 million, a piece.
Chucks, forgot about the gold .....
can you post some info on the price and specs of the Soryu class sub of japan? i heard it carries 20+ torpedoes and missiles?
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So Germans have lost it again. Better for them to convince KSA, UAE, Oman, Yemen. To have them on JV for Submarines....
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