Pakistan Navy interested in type 056

[Basel]

good. I respect your choice.

and please don't misunderstand me. I never did marketing for 056.

but... some friends compare 056 with Turkish warships. this makes me very unhappy.

Are these Turkish models giving you courage?

Pakistan is buying Turkish ship which are also state of the art in their category so it doesn't make sense to buy another similar capability platform when you already have ordered one type with ToT.

 

[Basel]

wow. Advanced design experience.... wait. does Greece know this? or does Israel know this? and Iran knows about it?

Look! How advanced! 5 years to make 4 light frigates!

no offense. Even Turkey and you can make this warships. Proof-it has nothing to do with the word "advanced".

Dear friend China is catching up with west but west is still some years ahead of China.

Out new F-22P hulls are not as advanced and don't have life like our old US made ship Oliver Perry class.

 

[Basel]

This is SIGMA

These are GOWIND and ADA.

This is Type-56

 

[SBUS-CXK]

What lol. Thats a limitation of the shipyard, not the designer. The Ada class is far superior to the 056 in terms of sensors and armament, thats not even an opinion, thats an observation. Sidenote: dunno where Iran, Israel and Greece come into this. Again, someone is very salty because they cant handle the truth. Wait till i tell you about the 053 family of ships and how outdated they are :O

Tell the truth. I think the Iranian warship model is the best in the world. This is a fact.

of course. 053 very backward. But at least it has qualified warship steel.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

Pakistan is buying Turkish ship which are also state of the art in their category so it doesn't make sense to buy another similar capability platform when you already have ordered one type with ToT.

Dear friend China is catching up with west but west is still some years ahead of China.

Out new F-22P hulls are not as advanced and don't have life like our old US made ship Oliver Perry class.

once again. You are free to buy Turkish warships.

but. Please do not compare Chinese warships with Turkish models.

I regret to say. F-22 is a Pakistani warship. Not a Chinese warship. I certainly congratulate Pakistan for its ability to improve the F-22.

BTW. 056 or 053 (all retired) are the most backward warships in China. Only used for patrols.

Oh and, 054A is also very backward in China (The production line has been closed). But it has 32-VLS. It is still better than some countries’ warship models.

 

[HRK]

once again. You are free to buy Turkish warships.

but. Please do not compare Chinese warships with Turkish models.

I regret to say. F-22 is a Pakistani warship. Not a Chinese warship. I certainly congratulate Pakistan for its ability to improve the F-22.

BTW. 056 or 053 (all retired) are the most backward warships in China. Only used for patrols.

Oh and, 054A is also very backward in China (The production line has been closed). But it has 32-VLS. It is still better than some countries’ warship models.

would just shut up and **** off from this thread you ruin every thread related to PN with your nonsense .....

 

[SBUS-CXK]

What lol. Thats a limitation of the shipyard, not the designer. The Ada class is far superior to the 056 in terms of sensors and armament, thats not even an opinion, thats an observation. Sidenote: dunno where Iran, Israel and Greece come into this. Again, someone is very salty because they cant handle the truth. Wait till i tell you about the 053 family of ships and how outdated they are :O

A simple truth. —— we have different understandings of the word "advanced".

Look. What an advanced light frigate!

 

[SBUS-CXK]

This is SIGMA

These are GOWIND and ADA.

This is Type-56

Remove 056, thank you. It is just a patrol ship.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

@Akh1112 Very interesting-even the Turkish members did not have the courage to compare Chinese warships. Where does your courage come from? Are you there are some misconceptions about the real world? or do you misunderstand the word "advanced"?

or........ How backward are you? ? ?

 

[SSG_Commando]

The Chinese 056 is a decent ship but doesnt suit PN requirement. The Ada class is a best platform which if bought in good quantity i.e. 6-8 ships will make a difference. Also, I think PN should seriously look for an Air defence platform of Chinese origin. I dont think Type-054 will serve the purpose and may require larger ship.

 

[SSG_Commando]

As far PN F-22 is concerned, I think the choice and placement of weaponry was bad. It is poorly configured vessel more than anything else.

 

[Akh1112]

once again. You are free to buy Turkish warships.

but. Please do not compare Chinese warships with Turkish models.

I regret to say. F-22 is a Pakistani warship. Not a Chinese warship. I certainly congratulate Pakistan for its ability to improve the F-22.

BTW. 056 or 053 (all retired) are the most backward warships in China. Only used for patrols.

Oh and, 054A is also very backward in China (The production line has been closed). But it has 32-VLS. It is still better than some countries’ warship models.

A closed production line means nothing... The F-16 Blck 52 production line is also closed. Does that mean it is backwards?

Also, Chinese warships arent being compared with Turkish "models". The Ada class is an in service ship, one that is superior to the 056 may i add. Regardless of it being better than some navies ships, it doesn't discount that it is a good ship, vs the 056 atleast. However, this is a fruitless comparison as these two ships are for two different roles and have two VERY different capabilities. A 056 purchase would mean extensive upgrades within a few years like on the F-22P. Once again, legacy Chinese vessels cannot and will not be able to meet the needs of the PN in the current/future threat environment. The Turks are very good in producing advanced systems and electronics and also give us access to advanced NATO tech, something China cannot provide.

 

[Akh1112]

@Akh1112 Very interesting-even the Turkish members did not have the courage to compare Chinese warships. Where does your courage come from? Are you there are some misconceptions about the real world? or do you misunderstand the word "advanced"?

or........ How backward are you? ? ?

I think you need to wipe your tears and open your eyes. If you genuinely think the 056 is superior or even on par with the Ada Class you really are delusional.

 

[Akh1112]

As far PN F-22 is concerned, I think the choice and placement of weaponry was bad. It is poorly configured vessel more than anything else.

This is not entirely true but you could argue it also is. The problem is, back then the PN did not have access to the systems it does now. If we wanted a cheap hull with advanced systems, we could have looked to a solution like the Thai navy where they had 053 hulls and a complete western electronics, radar and weapons suite. However, such a system would have been unachievable for the PN and probably still is- I say this because in terms of western VLS systems, the Sylver series are the only ones realistically available to us, however, they are big and heavy. Such an addition would require a structural redesign, one that would probably far exceed the value proposition of such a solution, you would also need to get the necessary export permissions and for all of the OEM's to work together. This was just one example of the VLS, now just imagine how much of a pain it would be to get all of these OEM's to work together for the hundreds of systems needed on a modern warship. At the time, the Chinese didn't really have much to offer either in terms of the 053H3 design, they themselves use a similarly configured variant, while the F-22P has some sensor differences, it is specced in a similar way to the PLA 053H3. This was just a limitation of the Chinese industry. Honestly, IMO the F-22P's should be sold off while they still have life in them, that money should be put towards something like J-Class, otherwise another alternative would be to transfer them to MSA or lastly, have them no longer serve a front line role, however do keep them as reserves with them being replaced by a superior surface combatant, such as the J-Class.

 

[Akh1112]

The Chinese 056 is a decent ship but doesnt suit PN requirement. The Ada class is a best platform which if bought in good quantity i.e. 6-8 ships will make a difference. Also, I think PN should seriously look for an Air defence platform of Chinese origin. I dont think Type-054 will serve the purpose and may require larger ship.

Its not necessarily decent, well, decent is relative to be fair, for some low budget low threat level African nation, it is definitely a step in the correct direction, however PN cannot afford to have such a sitting duck/resource hog in its fleet as you said. I also agree as you can tell, the J-Class specifically is the best option, ill explain why alongside why i am also kinda against a foreign long range air defence platform:

For J-Class, i think having a dedicated ASW variant would be the smartest choice, this is because the J-Class is capable of defending itself whereas a smaller ship is not. Our current threats consist of the BrahMos, Klub, Mig-29K etc, now, having just the base Ada, while again, it is a stellar ship, it doesn't posses the defensive capabilities we need it to. Relying on a PMDS is not enough for us, it could seriously put us at a disadvantage. This is where the medium/longer ranged air defence capabilities of the J-Class will be beneficial. It would also be beneficial for cost reasons as you wouldn't need some form of air defence vessel to escort it to ensure its safety. Oh also, the J-Class would be a true multi role platform that could conduct actual blue water missions and wont have to just stick to littoral waters.