Pakistan Navy capable of blocking Strait of Hormuz?

[Goritoes]

Simple, Samander mai Roh Afza mila den gay, Paani sara laal ho jaye ga aur IN submarines ko kuch nazar nai aye ga...

 

[CivilianSupremacy]

Simple, Samander mai Roh Afza mila den gay, Paani sara laal ho jaye ga aur IN submarines ko kuch nazar nai aye ga...

Terrible joke.
If IN submarines had to venture out in kill zone right next to Gwadar then no need for "Roh Afza" anyways.

By 2025 onwards, PN will have clear advantage in submarine fleet over IN. By then most of IN submarine fleet will be 3 to 5 decades old with ZERO AIP enabled subs. While PN will have 11 AIP enabled subs. The main reason for PN's expansion was to enable it to utilize and control this most important passing which is in immediate neighborhood of Gwadar.
PN once fully added with right amount of ships & subs will not let indian oil tankers pass under its nose in the event of full scale war.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Simple, Samander mai Roh Afza mila den gay, Paani sara laal ho jaye ga aur IN submarines ko kuch nazar nai aye ga.

 

[walterbibikow]

Terrible joke.
If IN submarines had to venture out in kill zone right next to Gwadar then no need for "Roh Afza" anyways.

By 2025 onwards, PN will have clear advantage in submarine fleet over IN. By then most of IN submarine fleet will be 3 to 5 decades old with ZERO AIP enabled subs. While PN will have 11 AIP enabled subs. The main reason for PN's expansion was to enable it to utilize and control this most important passing which is in immediate neighborhood of Gwadar.
PN once fully added with right amount of ships & subs will not let indian oil tankers pass under its nose in the event of full scale war.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1598325554142396417

Second stealth-guided missile destroyer under Project 15B delivered to the Navy

When commissioned, the ship will be christened INS Mormugao, named after the port city in Goa.

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Germany Rejects Exports of Engines to Pakistan for Submarines - C4 Defence

Germany is not granting export permits for the engine of eight Type 039B submarines that Pakistan plans to add to its inventory.

www.c4defence.com

 

[CivilianSupremacy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1598325554142396417

Indian Navy takes delivery of the second destroyer - P-15B Mormugao of the INS Visakhapatnam class

Mormugao, also known as Y 12705, was handed over to the Indian Navy on November 24, 2012. She is the second ship of the

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Germany Rejects Exports of Engines to Pakistan for Submarines - C4 Defence

Germany is not granting export permits for the engine of eight Type 039B submarines that Pakistan plans to add to its inventory.

www.c4defence.com

PN is not going to confront IN in middle of Indian ocean. It will stay under cover of PAF's dedicated maritime strike squadrons.

We are talking about this area:

This area is comfortably under reach of PN as well as PAF's martimetime strike fighters. No indian bound oil tanker will pass through this area in case of war.

PN's job is to create A2/AD in its area of interest. If PN has to venture out in middle of ocean and meet IN then ofcourse the numbers favors indians. But here geography favors Pakistan a lot.

 

[VkdIndian]

PN is not going to confront IN in middle of Indian ocean. It will stay under cover of PAF's dedicated maritime strike squadrons.

Would PN have adequate assets to safeguard its areas close to Karachi and put a blockade in the marked area too?
Since India has built strategic oil reserves, this blockade might not be of enough value in a short conflict. And short it is likely to be.
Moreover, there would still be some supply from sources that wouldn’t have to pass through Hormuz.

 

[Zarvan]

I have heard more and more talk from Pakistan Navy officials about acquiring enough naval capability to be able to selectively blockade Strait of Hormuz essentially choking India of vital fuel supplies in case of war.

If you look at the geography, it seems very plausible that PN will be able to impose a very effective blockade.
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With the development of Gwadar port, the ability to blockade the strait seems more and more possible.
It will be very hard for Indian navy to operate in an area where 13 submarines are lurking and JF-17's armed with CM-400AKG will be on constant patrol.

Once HQ-9 is acquired, Pakistan's writ on the area will be strengthened even more as it will be very hard to send aircraft against P-3C Orions when the area will be covered by HQ-9 missiles.

The only but vital precaution PN will have to take will be to ensure that Strait of Hormuz stays open to normal International shipping, otherwise oil prices will skyrocket and the whole world will be pissed at us. Military intelligence will have to play a very important role in this regard.

P.S: I apologize for poor Paint skills

To effectively do it you need bigger ships and ships with serious offensive punch. Without that you can't do it also more Submarines.

 

[dbc]

Hi,

That was not an intelligent comment from you---but guess what---you write your mind---.

If Pak military was in Yemen / GCC---blocking straits of Hormuz would not even arise---would not become an issue.

The US had requested Pak military to take charge of Yemen crisis---it would have been upto pak military to decide what to do---.

India would have been in no position to threaten already established pak military in the region---.

@dbc----young person----think before you talk----. You excel at the equipment you use---so stay within those parameters---.

Note:---I re-read your post---. Stay with your day job---. Just because you wear a uniform---you think makes you clever---. Sonny---I have made some 2-3 stars lick their own behinds---you don't count to much---.

wow you sure roasted me good.
if Pakistan military was in Yemen, oh well; if only wishes were horses. Besides I guess you need to look at a map first to figure out how non-existent Pakistani forces in Yemen would interdict shipping in the strait all the way from Yemen.

As for 'established' Pakistan forces in GCC those guys are over in GCC to earn Dirhams/ Riyals under the command of the host nation. Pakistan military have no command authority over these personnel. Plus their numbers can't blockade a shawarma shop leave alone the Hormuz strait. As usual your ego is cashing checks your meagre mental faculties can't cash.

 

[dbc]

I am seeing hillarious responses. People should also bother to read the contents of the post and not just the title. He specifically said about only indian ships

Couple of things you've conveniently ignored. All shipping through the Strait of Hormuz must pass through Iranian or Omani waters. These are the only two countries with legal rights to interdict shipping in those waters. Both countries permit 'innocent passage' but will not tolerate third party harassment of ships via the strait.

Second, the volume of cargo shipped on Indian flagged vessels that transit the strait is minuscule. In other words a majority of Indian cargo is shipped onboard vessels that belong to a third country.

So unless Pakistan is willing to incur the wrath of several important powerful nations the idea of blocking the strait is beyond silly.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Couple of things you've conveniently ignored. All shipping through the Strait of Hormuz must pass through Iranian or Omani waters. These are the only two countries with legal rights to interdict shipping in those waters. Both countries permit 'innocent passage' but will not tolerate third party harassment of ships via the strait.

Second, the volume of cargo shipped on Indian flagged vessels that transit the strait is minuscule. In other words a majority of Indian cargo is shipped onboard vessels that belong to a third country.

So unless Pakistan is willing to incur the wrath of several important powerful nations the idea of blocking the strait is beyond silly.

You conveniently ignored, right after Iran-Oman starts Pakistan-Oman maritime boundary. So unless Oil tankers wants to take many days and 1000 mile detours into Omanion water, just to avoids PMSA search and rescue Area of responsibility. There is no going around PN.

Btw issue is neither Iran nor Oman, because they will mostly likely be secretly sharing intel and hosting and fueling PN boats.

No supposedly important powerful third country will unleash anything just because one of the commercial tanker registered in their country decided to make extra bucks to transport oil into a war zone. Btw most of these oil tankers are registered in not so important powerful countries to avoid Taxes like Panama.

 

[CivilianSupremacy]

Couple of things you've conveniently ignored. All shipping through the Strait of Hormuz must pass through Iranian or Omani waters. These are the only two countries with legal rights to interdict shipping in those waters. Both countries permit 'innocent passage' but will not tolerate third party harassment of ships via the strait.

Second, the volume of cargo shipped on Indian flagged vessels that transit the strait is minuscule. In other words a majority of Indian cargo is shipped onboard vessels that belong to a third country.

So unless Pakistan is willing to incur the wrath of several important powerful nations the idea of blocking the strait is beyond silly.

How on earth Oman & Iran can stop Pakistan from stopping Oil tankers bound to india? and why would they even bother. If India normally receives 70-80% of its crude oil through this route, then this will be ideal place to stop the most important commodity.

You conveniently are underestimating Pakistan's resolve when it comes to its national security.

When Soviet Union was a super power, Pakistan didn't even cared to show restraint and shot any Soviet fighter jets over the western borders.

When US was in Afghanistan, Pakistan did what it thought was necessary for its Nat Security and supported certain groups. the Haqqanis. Who eventually have some of the positions in Taliban regime now. US , their presidents, head of US commands all kept pointing fingers and saying that Pak is giving shelter or what not.. But Pak always do what it thinks is good for its Nat security.

Pakistan continued its nuclear program despite several warnings and detonated its nukes despite whole world's severe consequences warnings.
and You think Pakistan will care that Iran / Oman are getting annoyed that we are stopping indian bound oil tankers ?. I have already explained, its not a political question at all. In war, countries do whatever is necessary. The real question is can Pakistan allocate couple of its subs or some assets for this task. IMO, it can post 2025.

 

[Foinikas]

Actually,this thread is very interesting.

If we take the subject in a completely theoretical scenario and imagine that politically,the Pakistan Navy is allowed to blockade the Strait of Hormuz for ships of Indian interest,the thread is very very interesting.

The PN is currently rebuilding itself and is determined to never again allow the Indian Navy to gain supremacy in the region,during a war.

 

[KaiserX]

Would PN have adequate assets to safeguard its areas close to Karachi and put a blockade in the marked area too?
Since India has built strategic oil reserves, this blockade might not be of enough value in a short conflict. And short it is likely to be.
Moreover, there would still be some supply from sources that wouldn’t have to pass through Hormuz.

For all your talk the reality is your military is not even as capable as the russians. Even the russians are leaps and bounds ahead of india yet are getting spanked on daily basis by ukraine.

Similarly the level of spanking ukraine gives russia can be amplified 10 fold to give you an idea of the spanking pakistan will give bhindia. You taking even an inch of pak will always remain a pipedream.

What is your military? Made up of junk soviet/russian era military weapons. The quality of your military today is highly questionable. Quality of training, quality of combined opps, etc…

Even your militarys mobilization can be seens years away forget abt months. Theres a reason your not even capable of hitting a compound 300 miles away from your border while pakistan had your brigade headquarters in HMD sight and landed a laser guided bomb 100 meters away with 0 reaction

 

[VkdIndian]

For all your talk the reality is your military is not even as capable as the russians. Even the russians are leaps and bounds ahead of india yet are getting spanked on daily basis by ukraine.

Ok ok.
I just put up few logical questions and you go on a rant.
I step back.
Don’t be so angry.

 

[Abid123]

Would PN have adequate assets to safeguard its areas close to Karachi and put a blockade in the marked area too?

Probably not now. You might wanna have a look at the modernization currently going on in PN.

> 4 x Type-054AP frigates under construction (delivery 2021-23)

> 4 x MILGEM ships under construction (del 2023-25)

> 1 x Jinnah-class Frigate construction (del 2026-27)

> Two Damen made corvettes to join soon.

> Deal for 6 heavier tonnage corvettes to be concluded soon

> 8 x Hangor-class subs under construction (del 2022-28)

> 1 x Yuan-class sub being acquired from China for training purposes

> 1 more Modernised ATR-72 ASW aircraft to join soon (total 3 such planes)

> 10 jet-powered MP aircraft for ASW role to be acquired as a replacement of P-3C Orions. Deal for 1 is concluded

> Hypersonic P282 ship-launched anti-ship/land-attack ballistic missile

> MALE UAV contract concluded

Post 2030 PN would have enough assets to protect Karachi and put a blockade on the strait of Hormuz.