Pakistan Naval Aviation - Updated

[Windjammer]

 

[Khafee]

@Ulla

Can you share some info. as to when and how we got the Pumas from UAE? I don't remember that transaction taking place in 1977 -1979.

The Puma registry clearly shows with serial number for both production and allocation. From that info. it seems they were delivered to Pakistan after production!

Though UAE does use Puma and Super Puma for Naval use.

Year: 2009
Units: 14
Condition: For immediate use - Not Spare parts.

 

[fatman17]

Year: 2009
Units: 14
Condition: For immediate use - Not Spare parts.

Only 6 - 8 helos were taken

 

[black-hawk_101]

Does PN planning to phase out their Sea Kings and get new or used versions of Mi17s or used Puma ?

 

[Khafee]

Only 6 - 8 helos were taken

Maybe the rest were cannibalized for parts?

Cablegate: Ghq to Transfer Puma Helicopters to Pakistan | Scoop News

Cablegate: Ghq to Transfer Puma Helicopters to Pakistan
Monday, 6 July 2009, 1:17 pm
Ref: 09ABUDHABI686
VZCZCXRO6714
PP RUEHDE RUEHDH RUEHDIR
DE RUEHAD #0686 1871317
ZNR UUUUU ZZH
P 061317Z JUL 09
FM AMEMBASSY ABU DHABI
TO RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHDC PRIORITY 2688
INFO RUEHDE/AMCONSUL DUBAI 8338
RUEHLB/AMEMBASSY BEIRUT 0641
RUEHIL/AMEMBASSY ISLAMABAD 1742
RUEHZM/GULF COOPERATION COUNCIL COLLECTIVE
RHMFIUU/HQ USCENTCOM MACDILL AFB FL
RUEKJCS/SECDEF WASHINGTON DC

UNCLAS ABU DHABI 000686

SENSITIVE
SIPDIS

STATE FOR SRAP, SCA/P, NEA/ARP AND PM/DDTC

E.O. 12958: N/A
TAGS: MARR MOPS PREL ETRD PGOV PK AE
SUBJECT: GHQ TO TRANSFER PUMA HELICOPTERS TO PAKISTAN

1. (SBU) On July 6, the Ambassador met with UAE Armed Forces (GHQ)
Chief of Staff LtGen Mohamed Al Thani Al Rumaithi to urge GHQ to
complete expeditiously necessary USG documents for authorizing the
transfer to Pakistan of US-origin equipment (Rockwell Collins radios
and Cubic PLS) on 14 UAE Puma helicopters. Al Rumaithi said the UAE
was rotating the Pumas out of active duty and hoped to complete the
transfers quickly. He appeared unaware of the specific steps
required to obtain USG approval, but tasked his assistant Brig.
Faris Al Mazrouei with follow up. Al Mazrouei said Pakistan had
told GHQ that neither the radios or PLS were needed. The Ambassador
stressed that the USG could authorize the equipment for transfer to
Pakistan immediately upon receipt of the details from GHQ.

2. (SBU) Later on July 6, GHQ provided the necessary documents for
the transfer authorization of the Rockwell Collins radios, which
have been forwarded to PM/DDTC. Col. Waheed Al Zaaki of GHQ General
Purchasing told EconOff that he is now working to obtain a completed
DSP-83 for the Cubic equipment.
OLSON

 

[Indus Falcon]

@DESERT FIGHTER Any idea how many Pumas we actually got from the UAE?

 

[Humble Analyst]

Boeing is working on upgrading the P8s for the US Navy. I guess it is better for PN to keep using P-3s right now and than acquire much more modernise version of P-8s few years down the road.

India has P8s, would US sell Pakistan now? Highly unlikely

 

[Genghis khan1]

India has P8s, would US sell Pakistan now? Highly unlikely

Why not, US already sold Pakistan P-3s before. US don't care if India bought few P8. US doesn't rely on India as a weapon export market like Russia.

 

[fatman17]

Maybe the rest were cannibalized for parts?

Cablegate: Ghq to Transfer Puma Helicopters to Pakistan | Scoop News

Cablegate: Ghq to Transfer Puma Helicopters to Pakistan
Monday, 6 July 2009, 1:17 pm
Ref: 09ABUDHABI686
VZCZCXRO6714
PP RUEHDE RUEHDH RUEHDIR
DE RUEHAD #0686 1871317
ZNR UUUUU ZZH
P 061317Z JUL 09
FM AMEMBASSY ABU DHABI
TO RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHDC PRIORITY 2688
INFO RUEHDE/AMCONSUL DUBAI 8338
RUEHLB/AMEMBASSY BEIRUT 0641
RUEHIL/AMEMBASSY ISLAMABAD 1742
RUEHZM/GULF COOPERATION COUNCIL COLLECTIVE
RHMFIUU/HQ USCENTCOM MACDILL AFB FL
RUEKJCS/SECDEF WASHINGTON DC

UNCLAS ABU DHABI 000686

SENSITIVE
SIPDIS

STATE FOR SRAP, SCA/P, NEA/ARP AND PM/DDTC

E.O. 12958: N/A
TAGS: MARR MOPS PREL ETRD PGOV PK AE
SUBJECT: GHQ TO TRANSFER PUMA HELICOPTERS TO PAKISTAN

1. (SBU) On July 6, the Ambassador met with UAE Armed Forces (GHQ)
Chief of Staff LtGen Mohamed Al Thani Al Rumaithi to urge GHQ to
complete expeditiously necessary USG documents for authorizing the
transfer to Pakistan of US-origin equipment (Rockwell Collins radios
and Cubic PLS) on 14 UAE Puma helicopters. Al Rumaithi said the UAE
was rotating the Pumas out of active duty and hoped to complete the
transfers quickly. He appeared unaware of the specific steps
required to obtain USG approval, but tasked his assistant Brig.
Faris Al Mazrouei with follow up. Al Mazrouei said Pakistan had
told GHQ that neither the radios or PLS were needed. The Ambassador
stressed that the USG could authorize the equipment for transfer to
Pakistan immediately upon receipt of the details from GHQ.

2. (SBU) Later on July 6, GHQ provided the necessary documents for
the transfer authorization of the Rockwell Collins radios, which
have been forwarded to PM/DDTC. Col. Waheed Al Zaaki of GHQ General
Purchasing told EconOff that he is now working to obtain a completed
DSP-83 for the Cubic equipment.
OLSON

This is about the radios on the Pumas as pumas are french manufactured.

 

[black-hawk_101]

India has P8s, would US sell Pakistan now? Highly unlikely

Give away OHPs and buy some more P-3Cs.

 

[Humble Analyst]

Give away OHPs and buy some more P-3Cs.

Are
OHPs that bad, would that exchange be possible and getting rid of six Frigates for P3s?

 

[Aamir Hussain]

Uncle Sam is operating a WalMart now -- if u don't like it get a refund or exchange with other goodies!

On a serious note -- we might still have two P-3C's earmarked for us (Conversion to AWACS -- both systems were to be earmarked separately - we were supposed to pay for the conversion to AWAC's and the for the radar systems) and there was talk of replacing the two lost in the PNS Mehran incident. I wonder what happened to that?

 

[CHI RULES]

Give away OHPs and buy some more P-3Cs.

PN has only one OHP and it is also useless in current configuration perhaps we should break it down and sell it's scrap.

 

[Khafee]

This is about the radios on the Pumas as pumas are french manufactured.

Are you trolling a newbie on the forum?

Cablegate: Ghq to Transfer Puma Helicopters to Pakistan
Monday, 6 July 2009, 1:17 pm
Cable: Wikileaks
Ref: 09ABUDHABI686


VZCZCXRO6714
PP RUEHDE RUEHDH RUEHDIR
DE RUEHAD #0686 1871317
ZNR UUUUU ZZH
P 061317Z JUL 09
FM AMEMBASSY ABU DHABI
TO RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHDC PRIORITY 2688
INFO RUEHDE/AMCONSUL DUBAI 8338
RUEHLB/AMEMBASSY BEIRUT 0641
RUEHIL/AMEMBASSY ISLAMABAD 1742
RUEHZM/GULF COOPERATION COUNCIL COLLECTIVE
RHMFIUU/HQ USCENTCOM MACDILL AFB FL
RUEKJCS/SECDEF WASHINGTON DC

UNCLAS ABU DHABI 000686

SENSITIVE
SIPDIS

STATE FOR SRAP, SCA/P, NEA/ARP AND PM/DDTC

E.O. 12958: N/A
TAGS: MARR MOPS PREL ETRD PGOV PK AE
SUBJECT: GHQ TO TRANSFER PUMA HELICOPTERS TO PAKISTAN

1. (SBU) On July 6, the Ambassador met with UAE Armed Forces (GHQ)
Chief of Staff LtGen Mohamed Al Thani Al Rumaithi to urge GHQ to
complete expeditiously necessary USG documents for authorizing the
transfer to Pakistan of US-origin equipment (Rockwell Collins radios
and Cubic PLS) on 14 UAE Puma helicopters. Al Rumaithi said the UAE
was rotating the Pumas out of active duty and hoped to complete the
transfers quickly. He appeared unaware of the specific steps
required to obtain USG approval, but tasked his assistant Brig.
Faris Al Mazrouei with follow up. Al Mazrouei said Pakistan had
told GHQ that neither the radios or PLS were needed. The Ambassador
stressed that the USG could authorize the equipment for transfer to
Pakistan immediately upon receipt of the details from GHQ.

2. (SBU) Later on July 6, GHQ provided the necessary documents for
the transfer authorization of the Rockwell Collins radios, which
have been forwarded to PM/DDTC. Col. Waheed Al Zaaki of GHQ General
Purchasing told EconOff that he is now working to obtain a completed
DSP-83 for the Cubic equipment.
OLSON

Cablegate: Ghq to Transfer Puma Helicopters to Pakistan | Scoop News

 

[Humble Analyst]

PN has only one OHP and it is also useless in current configuration perhaps we should break it down and sell it's scrap.

Thanks, I read we got it 1 in 2010 and we were supposed to get 5 more and probably never got them. Will they exchange it with P3s? LOLZ