Pakistan must sign no-war pact with India: Former diplomat Ashraf Jehangir Qazi

[Paji]

I don't think India has any interest in signing a no-war declaration with Pakistan. The Indian establishment knows that Pakistan is in no position to wage war against India and India has nothing to gain by signing such a declaration. India's strategy is to isolate Pakistan diplomatically and watch the centrifugal forces within Pakistan weaken it to a point that it is left with no option but to agree to settle all bilateral disputes on India's terms. Unlike Bilawal, India's foreign policy is not handled by amateurs.

 

[-=virus=-]

it would be a good opportunity for India to do this, and I doubt they would get a better opportunity to do so.
But the external backlash with the international community will be absolute massive, not to mention that China will likely get involved because India will definitely struggle through kashmir.
India will ultimately defeat Pakistan in a conventional war, but it will be extremely bloody and slow

India is not going to launch any offensive of any sort, and it shouldn't. India's plan is to secure its portion of Kashmir and be done with it. Look, we have nothing to gain by getting into a full scale conflict. It's not as if we are eyeing their natural resources or anything. For all the talk of getting back GB etc, trust me, the RW do not want more Muslims in the country. They barely tolerate the ones which are there. The security situation has been getting better and that is what is important. Let bygones be bygones. Negotiate a peace agreement and close the chapter.

true, already on the boil.. we needn't stir that pot much less we get singed ourselves with the splatter, leave em to their own devices.

Meanwhile just a little stir and Bharti Basanti already suffering miscarriage.

meh, weak sauce.. get your own erstwhile home in order.

 

[Chopchop]

No need of treaty, we already dont have war.
I think good thing to do is make reservation in colleges in both countrys for other country student. Make it easy to do business. Make more meetings. Make rule to not talk bad about other country on tv.
I think, something like this is more good then treaty.

 

[hussain0216]

Pakistan’s Afghanistan policy has been a gift to India.”

Absolutely, Right.. Pakistan made mistakes from the late 1970s.

Yeah destroying 20 years of Indian investment, plotting and planning has been a gift to India

The underhand desperation for Pakistan to work with India and allow India to access the region is a no no for Pakistan


Repeatedly hitting and blocking India at every turn is vital for Pakistan

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Accuses leaders, institutions, and elites of failing Pakistan.

Tells the same leaders, institutions, and elites to sign a no-war pact with India.

Yeah, that's going to look good.

/s

People like this guy should be speaking to the public and demanding that they change the status-quo. Tell the people to stop trusting in their leaders and institutions and, in turn, demand real and comprehensive change. Of course, taking such a stand will torpedo this guy's status within the current set-up, but alas, too few (if any) at the top want to sacrifice their spot for the sake of the nation. That's why we can never look to them for leadership.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Yeah destroying 20 years of Indian investment, plotting and planning has been a gift to India

The underhand desperation for Pakistan to work with India and allow India to access the region is a no no for Pakistan


Repeatedly hitting and blocking India at every turn is vital for Pakistan

"Destroyed herself" is the more preferable word here.

After the Taliban, the situation in Pakistan is worse than before.

Yeah, have this Good and Bad Taliban Policy, It is really good actually for India.

 

[Tornado23]

the iron is hot and conditions ripe for India to strike

a favorable deal on Kashmir with the much beleaguered powers that be running Pakistan for now

its like the stars have aligned

the Indian Navy, along with Iranian as well as Pakistani Baloch allies could carve out a little port bordering Iran and have a permanent military installation there

that way India can also keep an eye on Gwadar and the Chinese activity in the area

@313ghazi @hussain0216 @Paitoo @villageidiot @Areesh

That's a brilliant plan to get nuked

 

[hussain0216]

Accuses leaders, institutions, and elites of failing Pakistan.

Tells the same leaders, institutions, and elites to sign a no-war pact with India.

Yeah, that's going to look good.

/s

There is considerable effort from multiple places for Pakistan to make peace with India and to give India access to multiple areas

Obviously for Pakistan that's intolerable but you can see numerous efforts trying to push this line to the Pakistani populace

All efforts must be made to resist this at this point and work intensified to work with China against common threats

"Destroyed herself" is the more preferable word here.

After the Taliban, the situation in Pakistan is worse than before.

Yeah, have this Good and Bad Taliban Policy, It is really good actually for India.

Yaar of course it's worse, the Afghan Republic collapsed only a idiot would think there wasn't going to be fallout

The Pakistani establishment has planned for it



It's only idiots and Indians who think this wasn't expected



The fall of the Afghan Republic
US and NATO out of the region
And Indian investment down the drain, and it being run out of Afghanistan, whilst it's plans being destroyed was a ISI masterclass of planning and implementation



The fallout is a a expected but different issue, which will take atleast 5+ years to resolve

 

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Pakistan’s Afghanistan policy has been a gift to India, wrote Ashraf Jehangir Qazi wrote in an opinion piece in the 'Dawn'
Dubbing the economic and political crisis now enveloping Pakistan as a “listless gloom”, a former senior Pakistani diplomat wants Islamabad to seek a rapprochement and sign a no-war treaty with India.

Ashraf Jehangir Qazi, who has also served in the United Nations, has also said that the hijacking of Pakistan’s foreign policy by the military had led to a disaster in Afghanistan and that “Pakistan’s Afghanistan policy has been a gift to India.”

“The reality of Pakistan, shaped by its wayward masters and bureaucrats, manifests itself each day,” Qazi wrote in an opinion piece in the Dawn, a widely circulated English language newspaper published from Islamabad.

Worse than 1971


“Not even December 1971 compares with the listless gloom that engulfs the country today,” said the former envoy to the US, India and China.

“Ever since the loss of our eastern wing and the judicial murder of our first elected prime minister, our story has degenerated from the tragic to the pathetic to the absurd,” he said.

He accused every major institution and influential group of people of failing Pakistan including the government, the army and intelligence apparatus, the judiciary, parliament, political leaders, the media, civil services and elites.

“Together, they have ensured a failed state,” he said.

Saying peace was a prerequisite, Qazi said that while Kashmir “is a matter of principle, it is also a human rights challenge”.



No-war pact

Further, he said, “Pakistan has a responsibility to seek a rapprochement with a very difficult India, in order to increase the prospects for justice in Kashmir and to render multifaceted cooperation with India politically feasible.”

“Principled compromise approaches can increase the probability of reciprocity, transform zero-sum confrontation into positive sum cooperation, reduce security expenditures, and with greater interactions allow less mutually hostile narratives to emerge,” he wrote.

“There is no reason why Pakistan should not be willing to negotiate a no-war agreement with India. Reaching a principled understanding on Kashmir could greatly help such an endeavour. Accordingly, playing to the gallery on Kashmir in these circumstances is of no help to the Kashmiris.”

Afghan policy

The diplomat also urged Islamabad to bring about major changes in Pakistan’s Afghan policy

“Respecting Afghanistan’s independence and gaining its confidence is the way towards developing the closest of ties with it and accessing the massive potential for regional cooperation with Central Asia and Iran,” he said.

Qazi said that no enemy of Pakistan today matches the enmity of its own rulers.

“They laugh all the way to their foreign banks and talk of national security and economic stability while the ruled sink below the poverty line to wither and die,” he added. He warned that Pakistan desperately needed “decent governance” now. “Without it, elections will only mimic and insult democracy and existential threats will end our existence,” he pointed out.

Pakistan must sign no-war pact with India: Former diplomat

%%title%% Dubbing the economic and political crisis now enveloping Pakistan as a “listless gloom”, a former senior Pakistani diplomat wants Islamabad to seek a rapprochement and sign a no-war treaty...

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Useless talk. Pakistan's immediate priority is to survive economic collapse. Everything else is distraction. Cold peace is working fine. Let the sleeping dogs lie.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Seven sister states are literary Chinese in origin.. China must annex them.

 

[PakFactor]

Accuses leaders, institutions, and elites of failing Pakistan.

Tells the same leaders, institutions, and elites to sign a no-war pact with India.

Yeah, that's going to look good.

/s

People like this guy should be speaking to the public and demanding that they change the status-quo. Tell the people to stop trusting in their leaders and institutions and, in turn, demand real and comprehensive change. Of course, taking such a stand will torpedo this guy's status within the current set-up, but alas, too few (if any) at the top want to sacrifice their spot for the sake of the nation. That's why we can never look to them for leadership.

On top of what you said, they only speak after they become "former." Then, suddenly, these no-names have an epiphany.

 

[Meengla]

India is not going to launch any offensive of any sort, and it shouldn't. India's plan is to secure its portion of Kashmir and be done with it. Look, we have nothing to gain by getting into a full scale conflict. It's not as if we are eyeing their natural resources or anything. For all the talk of getting back GB etc, trust me, the RW do not want more Muslims in the country. They barely tolerate the ones which are there. The security situation has been getting better and that is what is important. Let bygones be bygones. Negotiate a peace agreement and close the chapter.

Correct.
India can't take GB without extremely damaging India--at least India's northwest--in a conventional war without even involving nukes. Also, has anyone looked at what taking GB would mean for India?? Just look at the geography! GB is broadly hugged by parts of Pakistan who would slaughter and slaughter the 'invading Hindus' forever. All that without China getting involved on Pakistan's side which is almost a certainty, going by the events of the last few years.

And frankly, India is a third world, resource starved, over-populated dirty country and most Pakistanis wouldn't see any 'benefit' of being part of that. I mean no disrespect. I know Pakistan is not great either. But, knowing human nature, who'd want to be part of a Mexico vs America?? In this case, both India and Pakistani are the Mexico. Plus add in religious hostilities which seem so entrenched in the Subcontinent!!

It should really sink into the ruling class of India that it is better to seek an 'honorable peace' which Pakistan is asking for right now.

 

[Meengla]

"Destroyed herself" is the more preferable word here.

After the Taliban, the situation in Pakistan is worse than before.

Yeah, have this Good and Bad Taliban Policy, It is really good actually for India.

No, its' not. What has changed?? That after a lull of some years, the TTP terrorists have found new vigor via the rise of Afghan Taliban? Pakistan dealt with TTP before and will deal with them again. At least this time Pakistan can deal with a govt in Afghanistan which is beholden to the Afghan people instead of looking for 'support' from thousands of miles away.

The 'long game' for Pakistan would be through peace in Afghanistan, however dark that 'peace' might be. However long that peace might be. The Taliban, both in Pakistan and Afghanistan, are also human beings, eventually receptive to 'change' and 'modernity'. It may not happen in our lifetime but it WILL happen. And that's when an overpopulated, resource-starved Pakistan can look north in the land with few people and many resources.

 

[-=virus=-]

Seven sister states are literary Chinese in origin.. China must annex them.

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[SQ8]

Accuses leaders, institutions, and elites of failing Pakistan.

Tells the same leaders, institutions, and elites to sign a no-war pact with India.

Yeah, that's going to look good.

/s

People like this guy should be speaking to the public and demanding that they change the status-quo. Tell the people to stop trusting in their leaders and institutions and, in turn, demand real and comprehensive change. Of course, taking such a stand will torpedo this guy's status within the current set-up, but alas, too few (if any) at the top want to sacrifice their spot for the sake of the nation. That's why we can never look to them for leadership.

Technically the no-war pact would have been a good idea and Mush pushed it but both hawks within his corps commanders and within India scuttled it. Back then there was still a position of "strength". Now, India should logically negotiate with Pakistan the same way it would negotiate with Swaziland - nothing to offer, nothing to gain.
At this point, the elites are focused on seeing if they can still save the system they have built for themselves - and at this juncture it will depend on the character of India if it capitalizes on it and basically says ok - we'll help push others to keep you afloat in turn for you basically pushing all of Pakistan's strategic gains away. Keep your control and lands - we'll let you get more loans to keep the people just above death and desperation.