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Pakistan media declare war on Indian counterparts

It was really funny that, Zaid Hamid also gave a name to the captured terrorist. IIRC, it was Ram or Rakesh singh and he was a sikh, and his accomplice name was Heera Lal. And the source is, guess what, his insiders in Indian intelligence agency. Wonderful, I couldn't stop laughing at this antics.LOL

You think that was funny... Oh really !!! think again... what about Rehman Chacha ???/ :rofl:

^^^^^^ My dear Chanakya's tactics are working, and working in a manner that u will not even understand that.......

Cut it... the only person i see confused here is you..... first try and figure what you want and then try your hand at teaching us..... :hitwall:

It would have been nice if he told the names as Heera Lal and Panna Lal

Suleiman Chacha would have been great too....... :rofl:

Pakistan Going in Denial mode is nothing new to Indians

Oh yeah, and your accusations are really something new for us..... heck you even blamed ISI and Pakistan for spreading HIV in hindustan. :lol:
 
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What a load of Crap !!

If they are operating out Pak & are located ( if not based in Pak) who will be responsible for them & their action ??

I bet even as he said these words the impotent President must have felt these words sound hollow to him as well.

Non state actors .. !! Coining new words cannot absolve the state of its responsibility of controling what happens or what should not be allowed to happen in its boundaries.

Where have you been living ???? thought Al Qaeeda was a non state actor which has brought your new master to the brink of military and economic implosion.... wake up to the reality of todays world.... if non state actors would have been so easy to stop then americans would have eliminated them by now, instead they continue to grow... :hitwall:

The only crap we have heard so far is from your impotent PM and FM as well as wild media so cut the crap. :blah:
 
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I would certainly say that many Indian channels particularly the Hindi channels went overboard and start pointing the finger on Pakistan way too early.

The English channels are a bit better but they too have to improve.

I think what that is being implied everywhere is that non-state actors in Pakistan which is maybe beyond the control of the government in Pakistan are responsible for this.Many people know that Pakistan is a victim of terrorism and therefore also think that it is unlikely the GoP would be involved.But they do believe that Pakistani soil is being used without GoP's knowledge.

People in India cant understand these subtle points and in anger just want the GoI to act tough against the state of Pak.
The anger is clouding their judgements and i wish people in Pakistan understand the state of mind the average Indian is in.
This anger is reflected through the media and hence that is why all these problems.

If given some time and restraint the anger would pass away and things would cool down.

Then maybe u will see the Indian media regaining its senses and the the spirit of enquiry without jumping into assumptions.
 
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The anger is clouding their judgements and i wish people in Pakistan understand the state of mind the average Indian is in. Oh we understand alright...:crazy:
 
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Star News Blamed even Pakistan Navy mann. what kind of **** is this ?

IF after investigation it is revealed that Pakistan was not Involved in this act of terrorism (as in the case of Samjhuta express incident where Indian Army was involved) and anybody else like home grown terrorist organization carried out these attacks then can Pakistan SUE Indian channels and where can GOP file a sue against them .
 
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I humbly Request to all Indian Members here please can some body among you tell Star News that Please don't Dramatize this issue as a Routine SAAS BAHOO DRAMA SERIAL, people have died and they are making Fun of it by showing Documentaries Like Rehman CHACHA and just look at that clip, the movement of the camera and the BLOODY SHITTYY SOUND EFFECTS and the whole dramatization of the incident and the language they use is like a GALLI KAY MAWALI WALI language.

The English News channels of India are some what better and only NDTV covered everything PROFESSIONALLY and NDTV never showed any Crazy bollywood style Documentaries and Even Mahesh Bhatt criticized India media channels for Putting oil on Burning Fire.
 
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Metal Falcon:

Pleas do not use red highlights in your posts. The moderators and admins have sort of reserved that for our use to issue warnings, announcements etc.
 
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Metal Falcon:

Pleas do not use red highlights in your posts. The moderators and admins have sort of reserved that for our use to issue warnings, announcements etc.

Rojer that sir !

I actually use red color when i had to put more emphasis on few lines but any how i will edit it and i wont use this color again, but am i allowed to use BOLD option and Underline option ?
 
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Mumbai 26/11: Media Misadventurisms

By Swati Parashar

The media tirade continues while politicians engage in mud-slinging. They (politicians) pull out ‘conscience’ to justify resignations, like rabbit out of the hat (R R Patil who earlier refused to resign, suddenly found his ‘conscience’ today!). They show utter contempt for us, common people, supposedly in ‘powder and lipstick’ and in ‘ties and suits’, who dare to question them (Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi thinks those protesting against politicians are anti-nationals!). And some others write blogs about their bravery (Milind Deora is probably miffed that his and his party men’s bravery in saving people near Nariman House was not recognised!). These politicians have competition from our media which has become the judge, jury and executioner especially after the Mumbai terror tragedy. It is important to illustrate the media misadventures. They are all speaking ‘for’ us, ‘with’ us and ‘of’ us while we remain speechless. They are supposedly giving us a ‘voice’, rather giving themselves and some of their chosen ones the voice.

Most of the television anchors sound more like street hawkers shouting ‘breaking news’, ‘exclusive to our channel’, ‘the very first time on television’ etc. This kind of language offensive from the media, which had turned the Mumbai terror tragedy into a live reality show, makes the language problem of politicians like R R Patil and Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi seem less disturbing. Times Now anchor, Arnab Goswami, displays the Mumbai Mirror newspaper and reads out details of the arrested terrorist from the paper without ever once mentioning that it was their sister publication. Novel way of marketing! Former and serving officers of the security forces offer almost live commentaries of the counter terrorist operations. Surely, these media channels would add to the mirth of the planners and patrons of these gruesome attacks? The question is, why is the media so attention seeking at the expense of security and dignity of precious human lives?

Is there a Government in place or do we only have agents of these various media outlets at every nook and corner of our state establishment and institutions? Why has the media taken up the role of a spy agency? Media is dutifully informed by their ‘reliable sources’ about every syllable uttered in the interrogation of the captured terrorist, the action plan during the NSG operation and investigative and preventive measures in the aftermath of the attacks. Even before any charges could be laid in the Malegaon blasts, for instance, the ATS investigations were ‘accessible’ to the media, too ready to pounce on half-truths, speculations and may be innuendos. Why should media have access to such sensitive and confidential details in any ongoing investigation? ‘ATS officer said’, ‘investigating sources suggested’, ‘reliable sources revealed’ are some of the common phrases used by the media. We have to send out a strong message: we do not want the media to jeopardise such important investigations. We believe that there are investigative agencies and judicial institutions in this country that are capable of doing their job.

The pertinent questions are; how much should the media know? How much should they reveal? The lack of media ethics has come out very strongly in the Mumbai case. During the commando operations at Nariman House and at the Taj Hotel, the running commentary by the media was a sad commentary on the irresponsible media itself. Crass self obsession, self-promotion and sensationalism at its worst! There are reasons to believe that the lives of hostages and security personnel were compromised by the media who continued to give out unsolicited details of people trapped in the Taj and Oberoi hotels and in Nariman House. Apparently, the terrorists had set up control rooms in the two hotels and were equipped with sophisticated satellite phones and communication devices. If such was the case, then our own media was providing intelligence to the terrorists through their detailed reporting of the commando operation and by giving details of hostages in these places. One of the objectives of these kinds of modern day terrorist operations is to generate publicity. Therefore, the terrorists in the recent Mumbai attacks owe a lot to the Indian media!

What kind of media ‘ethics’ or humane concerns for the lives of people, made the journalists ask outrageous questions to the freed hostages or to their relatives outside? The amateurs followed their veterans like Barkha Dutt who wanted to know how an anxious wife ‘felt’ about her husband trapped inside or what she would do if she didn’t hear from her husband. But the prize for the best question should have gone to the anchor who asked a freed hostage, how it felt to be one! I have to confess that I was dreading the worst; microphones thrust into faces of dead bodies being asked how they felt to be dead! The victims did not receive any privacy in their death too. Media cameras followed dead bodies in ambulances from Nariman House and the channels competed with each other to repeat these visuals.

Despite the hyper activity of the media, to make sure nothing escapes our notice, there was no mention of some of the valiant police men who were responsible for capturing the lone surviving terrorist. I salute those police men, not only for their courage and acumen but also for shying away from the media glare. Or may be ‘regular’ police men are too much low down in the glamour list of the media. The same media giving such detailed descriptions of the operations in the Taj and Oberoi Hotels and in Nariman House had no time to visit the CST railway station to cover the victims there. As Gnani Sankaran, a Chennai based writer aptly argues, the elitist media had no time for “the thirty odd dead bodies strewn all over the platform of CST. No Barkha Dutt went there to tell us who they were. But she was at the Taj to show us the damaged furniture and reception lobby braving the guards. And the TV cameras did not go to the government run JJ hospital to find out who those 26 unidentified bodies were.” No self reflection for the media here!

Those who deride and denounce the politicians on our behalf are playing politics at our expense. Rajdeep Sardesai on CNN-IBN invited Sharad Pawar, of all the people, to talk about the fallout of Mumbai attacks. May be, either Sharad Pawar does not have a serious language problem or that he is the best security expert from the government side. Kerala Chief Minister, Mr. Achuthanandan, known for his short temper, was outraged by Major Unnikrishnan’s father’s refusal to accept his condolence visit. The Kerala CM used the most offensive and insulting language to criticise the martyr’s father which was duly reported across the media. His statement has outraged the Indian public. Rajdeep Sardesai, however, managed to find a Malayalam language expert among his reporters to explain that a senior and respected CPM leader like Mr. Achuthanandan would never use such foul language. Rajdeep, we understand the need to cultivate political connections, as also to undermine rival TV channels but your defence of the Kerala CM’s choice of words is simply appalling.

There is a glut of news items, analyses, panel discussions and cross continental feeds 24X7 but the question remains: why is the media so publicity hungry? In one of the TV debates, Pakistani journalist, Hamid Mir argued that the people of Pakistan refuse to believe that the Mumbai terror attack has any Pakistani connection, simply because the “Indian media” has been reporting about Col. Purohit and ‘Hindutva’ forces’ involvement in the Samjhauta Express and the Malegaon blasts. There has been neither conclusive investigation nor evidence to indict Col Purohit or the Saffron brigade, at least not as yet. However, the Indian media’s relentless campaign to establish their own ‘secular credentials, has provided a very convenient ruse to Pakistan to deny any role in the Mumbai carnage. Our Indian media, therefore, has not just helped terrorists during their operations but it has also provided excuses for the denials across the border.

The media is always keen to turn the spotlight on people, but it is about time we turn the spotlight on them. They have let us down as much as our politicians.

‘Don’t shoot the messenger’ but what about the messenger who is “shooting”?

Mumbai 26/11: Media Misadventurisms
 
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Is Pakistan to Blame?

Mumbai Terror Attacks

By AYESHA IJAZ KHAN

Watch Indian television and Pakistan is decidedly the culprit of the atrocious 26/11 attacks in Mumbai. Star News projects cartoon images of Muslim terrorists receiving training in Pakistan. Since 9/11 Bollywood has been successfully perpetuating the image of Muslims as terror-mongers and Star News clips reinforce the stereotype. Other channels, such as NDTV, however, are less jingoistic and their very balanced Group Editor, Barkha Dutt, is doing her best to assuage knee-jerk reactions against both Muslims within India (about 14% of India’s population) and calls for war on Pakistan. But even on her show, guest panellist Simi Garewal, who is a media personality in her own right and hosts a talk show that has previously enjoyed popularity in Pakistan, sounds worse than Donald Rumsfeld when she says, “We need to carpet bomb Pakistan. Shock and awe. That is why America has not had an attack since 2001. That is what we need to do.”

Pakistani television channels, initially sympathetic, soon turned reactionary and hostile. Some of the more hawkish anchors are telecasting scenes from the Gujarat massacre of Muslims in 2002, when thousands were killed in communal violence. But other, more balanced anchors are asking more relevant questions. Given the evidence that we have thus far, is Pakistan really to blame?

The fact that the Indian government is accusing Pakistan is taken with a grain of salt as this is not the first time the Indian government has blamed Pakistan, only to find later that Pakistan had nothing to do with the violence it was being accused of. Interestingly, four times previously the Indian government falsely accused Lashkare Taiba directly as the organization sponsoring violent incidents in India, and Pakistan indirectly for harbouring the militant group, although Pakistan officially banned the outfit in 2002.

In each of the incidents, namely, the Chattisinghpura massacre, the attack on the Indian Parliament on 13 December 2001, the Malagaon blasts and the Samjhota Express incident, investigations were either refused or revealed that neither Lashkare Taiba nor Pakistan but groups from within India were responsible. In the Chattisinghpura incident, for example, on 20 March 2000, one day before President Bill Clinton was due to arrive in India, 35 Sikhs were killed in the village of Chattisinghpura. It was said that about 15 uniformed men belonging to Lashkare Taiba and trained in Pakistan were responsible. Five days later, five men were killed by paramilitary forces in a village called Pathribal, claiming that the “foreign militants” responsible for the Sikh massacre had been found and duly eliminated. When local village people protested, investigations began. When the final results of the investigation were made public, it was found that local police was responsible for the massacre of the Sikhs.

The Samjhota Express incident is more disconcerting, and one that Pakistanis remember bitterly. On 18 February 2007, two bombs went off near the Indian city of Panipat on the Samjhota Express twice-weekly train between Lahore and Delhi, initiated as its name suggests (Samjhota means Agreement in both Hindi and Urdu) to enhance cordial relations between the two countries. The terrorist attack, which killed 68 (mostly Pakistanis) and injured many others was blamed once again on Lashkare Taiba. Indian authorities claimed that the alleged perpetrator was named Rana Shaukat Ali and a photograph of the terrorist was provided. Four months later, investigations revealed that neither Rana nor Lashkare Taiba but a serving lieutenant colonel of the Indian army, Lt. Col. Purohit was responsible for the attack. Purohit, it was found, had links with Hindu militant groups and provided training to extremists.

For Pakistan, the most troubling aspect of the 26 November 2008 terror attacks in Mumbai is the fact that the three brave men who had been tasked with finalizing the findings of both the Samjhota Express incident and the Malegaon blasts linking Lt. Col. Purohit conclusively to the terrorist attacks were all killed. Mr. Hemant Karkare, in charge of the investigation, was one of the first people shot by the terrorists, followed by DIG Ashok Kale and encounter specialist Vijay Salazar.

If this is a coincidence, it is definitely a godsend for the extremist Hindu groups and the right-wing BJP, waiting to unseat the Congress government in the upcoming elections. But many in Pakistan suspect something more sinister may be involved.

It is alleged that the perpetrators of the 26/11 violence entered Mumbai by sea and arrived by trawlers from Karachi. Karachi is 500 nautical miles from Mumbai; not an easy distance to cover in a trawler. Even if one were to assume that this was the case, India has twenty-one separate radar systems that monitor the coastal line between Karachi and Mumbai. More importantly, Sir Creek is the un-demarcated boundary along the Arabian Sea and the Rann of Kutch, straddling Pakistan’s Sindh province and the Indian state of Gujarat. This is both an international border and a source of dispute between India and Pakistan. The 1965 war between the two nations began at the Rann of Kutch.

In August 1999, a Pakistani surveillance aircraft was shot down by the Indian Air Force in the Rann of Katch. The area is heavily patrolled. How the trawler made it all the way to Mumbai without being detected is a mystery, especially since fishermen on both sides of the border, both Indian and Pakistani, regularly find themselves apprehended as they mistakenly cross over into hostile territory. Every year, both countries arrest hundreds of fishermen for illegal intrusion. Fishermen complain that they don’t know whose side they are on because of the dispute. Every time Pakistan and India decide to re-start their peace process, one of the first measures taken is the release of the poor fishermen, who are caught and detained, through no fault of their own, their boats confiscated upon arrest.

But somehow the trawler dodged all patrols and made it all the way to Mumbai. Regular procedure for boats and ships docking at Mumbai entails thorough checks, but it appears that the terrorist trawler was able to evade that as well.

Too many questions remain. Too few answers are being given. India and Pakistan have an equal interest in finding out who is behind this terrible mayhem that has clutched Mumbai. The investigation must be thorough and conducted without prematurely blaming any organization or country. India and Pakistan must root out all those who would like to see terror grip the region and derail peace processes, regardless of whether they are Hindu or Muslim.

Ayesha Ijaz Khan: The Mumbai Terror Attacks
 
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For Pakistan, the most troubling aspect of the 26 November 2008 terror attacks in Mumbai is the fact that the three brave men who had been tasked with finalizing the findings of both the Samjhota Express incident and the Malegaon blasts linking Lt. Col. Purohit conclusively to the terrorist attacks were all killed. Mr. Hemant Karkare, in charge of the investigation, was one of the first people shot by the terrorists, followed by DIG Ashok Kale and encounter specialist Vijay Salazar.

Odd indeed

It is alleged that the perpetrators of the 26/11 violence entered Mumbai by sea and arrived by trawlers from Karachi. Karachi is 500 nautical miles from Mumbai; not an easy distance to cover in a trawler. Even if one were to assume that this was the case, India has twenty-one separate radar systems that monitor the coastal line between Karachi and Mumbai. More importantly, Sir Creek is the un-demarcated boundary along the Arabian Sea and the Rann of Kutch, straddling Pakistan’s Sindh province and the Indian state of Gujarat. This is both an international border and a source of dispute between India and Pakistan. The 1965 war between the two nations began at the Rann of Kutch.

In August 1999, a Pakistani surveillance aircraft was shot down by the Indian Air Force in the Rann of Katch. The area is heavily patrolled. How the trawler made it all the way to Mumbai without being detected is a mystery, especially since fishermen on both sides of the border, both Indian and Pakistani, regularly find themselves apprehended as they mistakenly cross over into hostile territory. Every year, both countries arrest hundreds of fishermen for illegal intrusion. Fishermen complain that they don’t know whose side they are on because of the dispute. Every time Pakistan and India decide to re-start their peace process, one of the first measures taken is the release of the poor fishermen, who are caught and detained, through no fault of their own, their boats confiscated upon arrest.

Good point she's made here. Fishermen are routinely arrested, and the area is heavily patrolled

But somehow the trawler dodged all patrols and made it all the way to Mumbai. Regular procedure for boats and ships docking at Mumbai entails thorough checks, but it appears that the terrorist trawler was able to evade that as well.
 
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If i am not wrong then the I&B Ministry did put one channel that is India TV in the docks.

Many media critics in India have pointed out to such low standards of journalism and no one single channel stands out for excellence.

It is more of a general trend and only reflects the mindsets of the Indian society.

Now for example there are news reports on ghosts,demons,strange animals,UFOs and whole lot of trash promoting superstition.Hindi news channel indulge heavily in this along with dramatization.

One might ask why?

The answer being the Indian society willing to buy all this,this goes along with the saas bahu serials etc.(People all across South Asia buy this)

Also they just want eyeballs and will do anything to beat their rivals and come out on top.There hundreds of channels in different languages-Imagine the competition!
This will only increase to thousands with more people buying TVs and have Cable,DTH etc.

These channels will also whip up patriotic fervor to make things more interesting.I am sure this happens in Pakistan as well-a bit of irrational patriotism.

The reporting of Mumbai Attacks is just part of a larger trend in Indian media.(Both electronic and print)
 
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The anger is clouding their judgements and i wish people in Pakistan understand the state of mind the average Indian is in. Oh we understand alright...:crazy:

Suit urself.Obviously u would rather understand irrational conspiracy theories.

Just trying to give a better understanding of things across the border.:coffee:
 
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Oh trust me, I havent fallen for any of the "theories" that have been coming out on it so far either. No need to explain, we already understand fairly well the state of mind our "average Indian" neighbors possess. :coffee:
 
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Oh trust me, I havent fallen for any of the "theories" that have been coming out on it so far either. No need to explain, we already understand fairly well the state of mind our "average Indian" neighbors possess. :coffee:


Oh that is very good for u.:)

But remember this is a forum and i am not merely addressing u,there are other Pakistani members and people from other nationalities here that need some understanding on things across the border.

Back to the topic-
The print media in India too makes many mistakes mainly quoting from dubious sources.
Its not as if they fail in investigative journalism,they do a very good job in exposing govt's fallacies and many of them always ran front page cover of "Hindu terror",but many of them easily buy the Pakistani line without many question being asked.
 
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