Pakistan Is Taking a Dark Turn. It's Time for a New USA Policy.

[T-Rex]

Plus we should station our nuclear weapons in those countries, just as USA had done in Turkey.

Isn't there a way to form a consensus by collecting signatures on this issue and conveying it to Erdogan, Mahtir and Rouhani? It has become urgent under the present circumstances. These leaders should also start working on an alternative to the UN.

 

[LeGenD]

War gaming and hypothesis aside, does the USA have any real experience of a direct conflict with a nuclear nation?

Scholarly and reality are not the same.

Bro, do we have any? Are we a near-peer adversary to US? Have a good look at the sheer size of Indian ocean first: http://www.geographicguide.com/africa-maps/indianocean.htm

Subjecting massive stationary targets such as Indian cities to nuclear strikes via ballistic missiles is much easier than attacking heavily armed USN assets across the Indian Ocean which is a huge environment. Read the response of an informed individual in this link, and enlighten yourself: https://www.quora.com/How-effective-is-DF-21-missiles-against-US-aircraft-carrier-group

Fairly good technical points in that response. We cannot just expend our strategic assets [blindly] in a war. In our case, and due to our extremely limited resources, every strike counts.

Their is massive asymmetry in the quantity and quality of USN and PN. First, understand the disparity in numbers:-

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a15297/us-navy-entire-fleet/
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a19746695/us-navy-subs-infographic/

Now, I want you to watch these educational videos:-

A single Arleigh Burke class destroyer is a fortress of a warship: https://whitefleet.net/2017/07/31/the-arleigh-burke-class-destroyer-ddg-51-an-in-depth-guide/

Now, familiarize yourself with their strike options:-

AGM-86B ALCM range = 2500 KM
AGM-86C ALCM range = 950 KM
AGM-86D ALCM range = 1320 KM
Tomahawk cruise missile range = ~2500 KM

They have a large fleet of strategic bombers to launch ALCM. Every strategic bomber incorporate formidable electronic warfare capabilities to jam/spoof radar systems from vast distances, and B-2 Spirit is virtually invisible to any radar system anyways.

Ohio-class submarine - alone - carry 154 Tomahawk cruise missiles at a time. Enter entire USN and you are dealing with too much firepower from this spectrum alone. Now complement this layer of firepower with a large fleet of strategic bombers, and you are looking at hundreds of long-range cruise missiles heading towards your assets from multiple directions in one go and such a barrage will overwhelm your defenses and C&C capabilities.

And, even if a single nuke is fired from our side, then Ohio-class strategic submarines will spring into action: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/t...tic-missile-submarines-the-us-militarys-22343

Ohio-class strategic submarine - alone - carry 20 Trident D5 ICBM-range SLBM. Each Trident D5 SLBM can be armed with up to 8 thermonuclear warheads. Even if they are carrying up to 6 each; we are looking at up to 120 thermonuclear warheads in a single vessel. Can you imagine the magnitude of fire and fury in this case?

And I haven't even touched the topic of USAF and vast American surveillance capabilities. Please understand that we are poor 3rd world country and in no position to challenge US in a war.

US is a much older nuclear power, and it have vastly superior experience of warfare and surveillance apparatus in place. They have fought a COLD WAR with USSR for 40+ years, and they had a doctrine of preemptive strikes in which they would take the fight to a nuclear armed force in full force before the other side can do something. They have sharpened their tools for decapitating strikes. They have vastly superior methods of monitoring stuff in real-time.

Understand this: US is the greatest superpower in existence. They have the option to crush us like a bug.

Pakistani military [brave as it may seem] is not very keen in confronting US in a war. Nope.

 

[Verve]

Bro, do we have any? Are we a near-peer adversary to US? Have a good look at the sheer size of Indian ocean first: http://www.geographicguide.com/africa-maps/indianocean.htm

Subjecting massive stationary targets such as Indian cities to nuclear strikes via ballistic missiles is much easier than attacking heavily armed USN assets across the Indian Ocean which is a huge environment. Read the response of an informed individual in this link, and enlighten yourself: https://www.quora.com/How-effective-is-DF-21-missiles-against-US-aircraft-carrier-group

Fairly good technical points in that response. We cannot just expend our strategic assets [blindly] in a war. In our case, and due to our extremely limited resources, every strike counts.

Their is massive asymmetry in the quantity and quality of USN and PN. First, understand the disparity in numbers:-

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a15297/us-navy-entire-fleet/
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a19746695/us-navy-subs-infographic/

Now, I want you to watch these educational videos:-

A single Arleigh Burke class destroyer is a fortress of a warship: https://whitefleet.net/2017/07/31/the-arleigh-burke-class-destroyer-ddg-51-an-in-depth-guide/

Now, familiarize yourself with their strike options:-

AGM-86B ALCM range = 2500 KM
AGM-86C ALCM range = 950 KM
AGM-86D ALCM range = 1320 KM
Tomahawk cruise missile range = ~2500 KM

They have a large fleet of strategic bombers to launch ALCM. Every strategic bomber incorporate formidable electronic warfare capabilities to jam/spoof radar systems from vast distances, and B-2 Spirit is virtually invisible to any radar system anyways.

Ohio-class submarine - alone - carry 154 Tomahawk cruise missiles at a time. Enter entire USN and you are dealing with too much firepower from this spectrum alone. Now complement this layer of firepower with a large fleet of strategic bombers, and you are looking at hundreds of long-range cruise missiles heading towards your assets from multiple directions in one go and such a barrage will overwhelm your defenses and C&C capabilities.

And, even if a single nuke is fired from our side, then Ohio-class strategic submarines will spring into action: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/t...tic-missile-submarines-the-us-militarys-22343

Ohio-class strategic submarine - alone - carry 20 Trident D5 ICBM-range SLBM. Each Trident D5 SLBM can be armed with up to 8 thermonuclear warheads. Even if they are carrying up to 6 each; we are looking at up to 120 thermonuclear warheads in a single vessel. Can you imagine the magnitude of fire and fury in this case?

And I haven't even touched the topic of USAF and vast American surveillance capabilities. Please understand that we are poor 3rd world country and in no position to challenge US in a war.

US is a much older nuclear power, and it have vastly superior experience of warfare and surveillance apparatus in place. They have fought a COLD WAR with USSR for 40+ years, and they had a doctrine of preemptive strikes in which they would take the fight to a nuclear armed force in full force before the other side can do something. They have sharpened their tools for decapitating strikes. They have vastly superior methods of monitoring stuff in real-time.

Understand this: US is the greatest superpower in existence.

You still have not answered the question, despite this long lecture.

Which nuclear nation has the USA directly attacked?

USA is using proxies against Pakistan - that's the only realistic option it has. Direct attack will result in Pakistan attacking Israel with everything.

 

[punit]

if usa can vote trump like idiot then they have no right to comment on other countries elections

chacha ,, kehna kya chahto ho !!!

 

[Imran Khan]

chacha ,, kehna kya chahto ho !!!

kisi ne modi ka name nhi liya smajh to gaay h ho gay

 

[LeGenD]

You still have not answered the question, despite this long lecture.

Which nuclear nation has the USA directly attacked?

USA is using proxies against Pakistan - that's the only realistic option it has. Direct attack will result in Pakistan attacking Israel with everything.

They were willing to strike at DPRK not long ago. Were you paying attention? I can show you videos and explain entire chain-of-events.

Do you know that Kim Jong-Un actually wrote a letter to Donald Trump, to start negotiations?

Israel has BMDS in place, and it works. US can reinforce its defenses before taking action against Pakistan.

Please come out from the shell of self-assumed invincibility. Pakistan is no superpower.

 

[Musafir117]

Need wise diplomacy regarding America, American is alone enough to do anything and with NATO mean a lot, better to keep focus on economy and a good one make the base to face the pressure and threats.
America se na dosti achi na dushmani

 

[LeGenD]

Need wise diplomacy regarding America, American is alone enough to do anything and with NATO mean a lot, better to keep focus on economy and a good one make the base to face the pressure and threats.
America se na dosti achi na dushmani

Absolutely.

 

[hassan zohaib]

I always find amusing the definition of US friend.."in US perspective a friend is someone who sacrifices all his fortune, relatives in short all of his interest n in return US ditch him in an unpredictable way regarding which he even doesn't complain about n if he does so then US's national security n national intersts come into play to punish him."
A very succinct definition ...

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Why give intl community a reason to rally around them?

Following that logic why keep the anti-India posture. All it does is reinforces the pro India bias and international community rally around Gangadesh.

The point here is about strategic objectives not brownie points. The reality is a Tajik dominated Kabul represents a challange to Pakistan and offers India a base from which to cause grief on our western borders. We need to push US out of that and then sanitize it of Ganga influence. And that can only be achieved by working with China, Russia and Iran. This neighbourhood needs to be 'owned' by those who occupy that geography.

 

[RoadRunner401]

Just the name " Iran " is a death sentence for Pakistan---. If pakistan chose to side with Iran---then it does not deserve to be a free nation---as death and destruction would reign down on it---.

I would love , love an explanation on this, please do explain.

I say it again---talk is cheap---you have no clue how the US has tracked all the locations of Pak nucs---.

Please do us all how have they Tracked the locations, please do tell us all!!

 

[LeGenD]

I always find amusing the definition of US friend.."in US perspective a friend is someone who sacrifices all his fortune, relatives in short all of his interest n in return US ditch him in an unpredictable way regarding which he even doesn't complain about n if he does so then US's national security n national intersts come into play to punish him."
A very succinct definition ...

US is a narcissitic abuser, to be fairly honest.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I always find amusing the definition of US friend

No it is not. USA can be incredibly beneficial ally. It depends on how the recipient country handles the relationship and how interests converge. There are whole gamut of countries that have stood up thanks to US largesse. The list is -

South Korea
Singapore
Japan
Germany
Italy
Greece
Bosnia
Kosova
UK
Turkey
Israel

 

[RoadRunner401]

There is no other nation more ruthless and brutal than the US in the history of "MANKIND"

Yes there is @MastanKhan, Saudi Arabia that helped US do all that killings in the Muslim world.

 

[Army research]

When they start using the language they use against Iran and the Turks , that's when you know you're doing what's right,
I always dreamed of seeing a nationalist movement in my country and thought it's just a dream , Khan saab realized that dream and now hopefully the yankies can be kicked out from Afghanistan, then more troops shifted to Kashmir and full support of all india succession movements , the Indians tried and failed, let's give them a taste of their own medicine,