Pakistan in talks for 4 Ada Class Corvettes, T-129 Helicopters & modernization of agosta fleet

[Basel]

Regarding the ships, my suspicion is that there will be no RAM launcher. It will eitjer be replaced with FL3000N OR phalanx from the retiring Type 21s. I tjink that plus some other subsystems like towed sonar amd radios would be where you are seeing a cost savings. That being said, i would want to see if they get RAM, Could they get the block 2 varient. Also, @Penguin or @cabatli_53, would it be physically possiblr to replace STAMP with a gun based CIWS like phalanx or the AK630s fora added layer of protection?

Phalanx and Harpoons will be available from Type-21 ships if PN want to save costs, but for newer ships all latest systems should be installed as it will face not just current threat bit future ones too.

 

[Penguin]

Phalanx and Harpoons will be available from Type-21 ships if PN want to save costs, but for newer ships all latest systems should be installed as it will face not just current threat bit future ones too.

Combined with an Aselsan perdestal launcher, the HISAR manpad might well be a relatively cheap alternative.

 

[cabatli_53]

Acc to info about Hisar SAM family received via engineers in IDEF-17, Naval systems will benefit all layers of Hisar missiles to be integrated on national VL systems. Acc to roadway, Hisar-U will be an equivalent of Raytheon SM-2 IIIB missiles (2-2,5m Booster + Hisar-O-RF = Hisar-U) . Hisar-U large Booster is in design phase at present.

Current
Hisar-A IIR Low Altitude Missile - MAR Radar (70+km)
Hisar-O IIR Medium Altitude Missile - Kalkan-2 Radar (120km)
Hisar-O RF Medium Altitude Missile - Kalkan-2 Radar (120km)
Hisar-U RF ( Hisar-O + ~2-2,5m Booster) Long Altitude Missile - TEIRS Radar (600+km)


Hisar-O RF Seeker head

 

[Advocate Pakistan]

Acc to info about Hisar SAM family received via engineers in IDEF-17, Naval systems will benefit all layers of Hisar missiles to be integrated on national VL systems. Acc to roadway, Hisar-U will be an equivalent of Raytheon SM-2 IIIB missiles (2-2,5m Booster + Hisar-O-RF = Hisar-U) . Hisar-U large Booster is in design phase at present.

Current
Hisar-A IIR Low Altitude Missile - MAR Radar (70+km)
Hisar-O IIR Medium Altitude Missile - Kalkan-2 Radar (120km)
Hisar-O RF Medium Altitude Missile - Kalkan-2 Radar (120km)
Hisar-U RF ( Hisar-O + ~2-2,5m Booster) Long Altitude Missile - TEIRS Radar (600+km)


Hisar-O RF Seeker head
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Many thanks for providing such valuable information.
And what would be the timeline of completion of Hisar family. Will Hisar A be capable of quadpacking?
Also, can you provide some more info about Turkish VLS. When will it be ready??

 

[cabatli_53]

Many thanks for providing such valuable information.
And what would be the timeline of completion of Hisar family. Will Hisar A be capable of quadpacking?
Also, can you provide some more info about Turkish VLS. When will it be ready??

According to engineers, They are planning to complete development of all Hisar family within 4 years. It means 2021 will be the year Hisar family will be ready for Land and Naval Forces. The Long range radar projects will be completed until 2019.

e more info about Turkish VLS. When will it be ready??

We don't have much info about VLS system but It will be most probably a very similar to MK-41 system modified for Hisar missiles...

 

[Dhara]

We don't have much info about VLS system but It will be most probably a very similar to MK-41 system modified for Hisar missiles...

Will Pakistan going to receive MILGEM corvettes with VLS?

 

[cabatli_53]

Will Pakistan going to receive MILGEM corvettes with VLS?

I hope They will purchase Milgem-2 with VLS.

 

[Dhara]

I hope They will purchase Milgem-2 with VLS.

So still not confirmed which class P.N navy going to acquire, I am interested because Pakistan can modified VLS tubes to fire Babur cruise missile.

 

[Tank131]

So still not confirmed which class P.N navy going to acquire, I am interested because Pakistan can modified VLS tubes to fire Babur cruise missile.

PN will not likely not modify any vls tubes to fire babur. Reason being that babur needs a 7m tube which is unlikely to fit on smaller vessels like MILGEM. The VLS tubes are better suited for SAMs and with respect to LACM, the 11 AIP Subs PN will have are far better suited to carry out strike missions. Surface ships will be destroyed before getting close enough to Indian mainland. Surface ships are needed for sub hunting, sea lane protection and mobile aor defense (which pn doesn't seem to give much thought to).

In the event PN wants to equip surface vessels, the will likely replace the AShM with a version of Babur capable of naval and land attack.

@cabatli_53 any word on if Hisar is quad packable (at least Hisar-A) and is there a role of Hisar U as a potential AMD system

 

[war&peace]

The Muslim intelligentsia in Turkey firmly believes that it's their duty to help Pak in all ways possible no matter how trivial or infinitesimal it is!!!! I am pretty sure the feelings are mutual!! If they have a plan to send Ebraha from Yemen, Irak, Syria etc. those Sheyatin need to understand that they'll also find Ebabil fully ready and equipped!!!!! As for the results, read Sura El-Fil that every Muslim kid knows by heart!!!!!

Coincidentally Pakistan's latest MIRV is called Ababeel.

Sir, How can a ship be built in Kamra? May be at KSEW

Milgem II, however they will be modified.
One Media house also reported that the ships will be built in Kamra.

 

[cabatli_53]

@cabatli_53 any word on if Hisar is quad packable (at least Hisar-A) and is there a role of Hisar U as a potential AMD system

Hisar-A has a length of 4m, While Hisar-O is 4,5/4,6m. I think Quad packing Hisar-A is possible inside of launchers because given length parameters are around limits but I don't have any official info about launchers yet.

Hisar-U is officially called as Advanced Long range Air Defence system and There is an illustration which is prepared by Aselsan to introduce their exoatmospheric warhead. I don't know What is the actual capability which is targetted but It seems Aselsan is openly working to develop exoatmospheric engagement capability as an alternative warhead to standart Hisar-U missile.

 

[Basel]

PN will not likely not modify any vls tubes to fire babur. Reason being that babur needs a 7m tube which is unlikely to fit on smaller vessels like MILGEM. The VLS tubes are better suited for SAMs and with respect to LACM, the 11 AIP Subs PN will have are far better suited to carry out strike missions. Surface ships will be destroyed before getting close enough to Indian mainland. Surface ships are needed for sub hunting, sea lane protection and mobile aor defense (which pn doesn't seem to give much thought to).

In the event PN wants to equip surface vessels, the will likely replace the AShM with a version of Babur capable of naval and land attack.

@cabatli_53 any word on if Hisar is quad packable (at least Hisar-A) and is there a role of Hisar U as a potential AMD system

It's better not to fit Babur CM on these ships, but if needed Babur-3 can be put in VLS (if VLS is installed) because it's smaller then LACM version and have 450km range.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Coincidentally Pakistan's latest MIRV is called Ababeel.

Sir, How can a ship be built in Kamra? May be at KSEW

I put "Ebabil" knowingly!!!!!

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

It's better not to fit Babur CM on these ships, but if needed Babur-3 can be put in VLS (if VLS is installed) because it's smaller then LACM version and have 450km range.

Babur III has 2 variants .. Anti Ship and Land Attack.

 

[YeBeWarned]

It's better not to fit Babur CM on these ships, but if needed Babur-3 can be put in VLS (if VLS is installed) because it's smaller then LACM version and have 450km range.

Type 52D make more sense to sail with Turkish corvette and F-22P's if in case we chose to use Babur Land attack missiles on Indian ships .. for that role we are buying freakingly 8 AIP Subs ..

Babur III has 2 variants .. Anti Ship and Land Attack.

Land Attack Variant ? never heard of it brother ? are you sure you are not confusing it with Zarb ?