Pakistan in talks for 4 Ada Class Corvettes, T-129 Helicopters & modernization of agosta fleet

[Gryphon]

I see no reason to why a launch system for firing LACM & AShM mecessarily means a VLS: as the various available ways to launch members of the Club missile family illustrates. See http://concern-agat.ru/en/productio...missile-systems/club-u-modular-missile-system.

Azmat beam is 8.76 m.

YJ-62/C602
Length 6.1m (without booster); 7m (with booster).
Diameter: 0.54 m
Weight: 1,240kg (without booster), 1,350 kilogram (with booster)

Antiship version

Land attack version

As you mentioned, getting a VLS on the MILGEM Ada or LF-2400 will require 'redesign' which will certainly not be economical. Can an inclined launcher be fitted to the MILGEM Ada which can fire both AShM & LACM (like C-602 + CM-602G or Babur AShM + Babur LACM ?

And, do you know of any ship similar to Azmat FAC which can fire AShM & LACM ?

 

[Gryphon]

 

[Blue Marlin]

So, you think this is real? (personally, I don't think the Type 053 base frigates will be replaced by a large ship like 054 or 057: more likely by 056s. Seeing how some of the newest 053H3 are being refitted: 2x 7-barrel gatling CIWS, 8-round FL3000N)
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/paki...-admiral-zakaullah.470829/page-4#post-9086501

well they displayed the type 057 at pakistan last year

i doubt they make models for the fun of it.
i could have sworn i said they would replace the type 54a. the type 54a is about 4500 tonnes id expect this to be about the same (displacement) if not slightly more 5000 tonnes max. not with that assumption and the raised vls i would assume a longer range missile.

as for the prospects of them buying it.........god knows. the pakistani navy is the neglected kid in the family who is slowly getting more attention not out of sympathy or desire but for their own need (cpec) and investment. heck bangladesh and burma are building ships faster than these lot.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Posted Aug 28, 2016
STM General Manager Davut Yılmaz : " I hereby would like to share that within a very short time STM will announce another important accomplishment that will bring a smile to our country.”. STM has been in contact with the related parties in order to develop new corvette project, like MİLGEM, in order to meet the needs of Pakistan Navy.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/stm-to-develop-new-covette-project-for-pak-navy.446431/

Aug 29, 2016Bilal Khan -
In its official press release, the Turkish shipbuilder Savunma Teknolojileri Mühendislik ve Ticaret A.Ş. (STM Turkey) noted that it was in talks with Pakistan “in order to develop [a] new corvette project, like MILGEM, in order to meet the needs of [the] Pakistan Navy.”
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/stm-...oject-for-pak-navy.446431/page-4#post-8630971

STM LF-2400 light frigate

STM C-1200 corvette

Pics courtesy Cabatli_53

Singapore Technologies Marine (ST Marine) introduced ST Marine Next Generation Frigate
2x8 cell VLS, 6x4 AShM

See also http://kementah.blogspot.nl/2013/05/republic-of-singapore-navy-formidable_19.html

ST Marine Next Generation OPV 95m

Yes, but since IDEAS 2016 (in November) STM basically started referring to it as "MILGEM corvette."

"Talks held with Pakistan Navy as part of our sustained dialogue on MİLGEM Corvette sales have resumed on a positive course. The momentum gained in efforts to realize the Corvette Project in 2017 was discussed during talks between officials from the Undersecretariat for Defense Industries (SSM) and STM and Pakistani officials."

https://www.stm.com.tr/en/news/anno...ense-exhibition-and-seminar-ideas-in-pakistan

 

[Penguin]

As you mentioned, getting a VLS on the MILGEM Ada or LF-2400 will require 'redesign' which will certainly not be economical. Can an inclined launcher be fitted to the MILGEM Ada which can fire both AShM & LACM (like C-602 + CM-602G or Babur AShM + Babur LACM ?

And, do you know of any ship similar to Azmat FAC which can fire AShM & LACM ?

Getting a very long VLS onto Milgem Ada or LF-2400 would reguire that. A shorty like Sylver A35 would be a different thing.

Beam 14.40 m (47 ft 3 in) for Ada Class Corvets and 14.40 m (47 ft 3 in) for İ Class Corvette.
Beam Azmat 8.76 m

So, yeah, C602 would likely not be a problem. Babus is very similar in dimensions, I believe.

 

[Penguin]

well they displayed the type 057 at pakistan last year
i doubt they make models for the fun of it.

F16U: (CSIC) first revealed its F16U export frigate design in 2000: sales never materialized. Nice model though!
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/paki...n-of-agosta-fleet.433407/page-22#post-8378313

Note the similarity with:

i could have sworn i said they would replace the type 54a. the type 54a is about 4500 tonnes id expect this to be about the same (displacement) if not slightly more 5000 tonnes max. not with that assumption and the raised vls i would assume a longer range missile.

The oldest 054A commissioned January 2008, which makes it now 9 years old. Assuming a service life of 30 years, this would decommission 2038. What exactly do you mean with "type 057 to replace the 054a by about 2020-2023"

 

[Gryphon]

Beam Azmat 8.76 m

So, yeah, C602 would likely not be a problem. Babus is very similar in dimensions, I believe.

Can we do the same with Azmat FAC (though FAC's aren't used for this role)? There is a new launcher planned for the Azmat (as shown in the image below). It is not for firing C-802 AShM.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I am just alwasy suprised what factors are stopping us to make more F22P or ships like Azmat just scaled up we have constructed large ships in past

All our Azmat class ships could have been Corvettes if we had just scaled things up by 10%-20%

The fast attack platform (Azmat class) and the Corvettes are some what close in size very a little extra effort in design you can have a decent size ship

Theoretically , the 4 ships we designed could have been

• Base Design
  
• Scaled up 9 % design (Longer & Wider)
  
• Scaled up 15 % design (Longer & Wider)
  
• Scaled up 18 % design (Longer & Wider), a corvette level designation

 

[Penguin]

Can we do the same with Azmat FAC (though FAC's aren't used for this role)? There is a new launcher planned for the Azmat (as shown in the image below). It is not for firing C-802 AShM.

Obviously yes

 

[Blue Marlin]

F16U: (CSIC) first revealed its F16U export frigate design in 2000: sales never materialized. Nice model though!
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/paki...n-of-agosta-fleet.433407/page-22#post-8378313

Not the similarity with:

The oldest 054A commissioned January 2008, which makes it now 9 years old. Assuming a service life of 30 years, this would decommission 2038. What exactly do you mean with "type 057 to replace the 054a by about 2020-2023"

well yes they did make a model and no orders. do you expect orders when you display models?

anyway, i may have been wrong. it would be a heavily modified version.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C28A-class_corvette#New_Version

www.eastpendulum.com/cssc-devoile-nouvelle-version-de-fregate-c28a
@Vergennes @Taygibay your translation is needed

 

[Cool_Soldier]

Bigger ships with multi role capabilities are need of time for PN in current situation.

 

[Taygibay]

Ah, les savantes élucubrations d'Henri!

http://www.eastpendulum.com/cssc-devoile-nouvelle-version-de-fregate-c28a

On November 22nd 2016, the ninth IDEAS ( International Defence Exhibition and Seminar ) opened
its doors at the Karachi Exposition center in Pakistan. At the Chinese pavillon, one finds not only the
usual show stuffers as the FC-1 or the FD-2000 SAM but also a few new products : The Chinese Naval
group GSSG for instance came with the model of a new stealth frigate tentatively named C28A, the
same product reference given to the 3 corvettes sold to Algeria.

Supposing it to be a renewed version of the C28A, we can see that both hulls have similar designs.

Concerning armament and except the PJ-26 76mm main gun [1] that remains the same, the AA system
FM-90N has been replaced with a new LY-80N [2] in a vertical launcher, either a 16 or a 32 units VLS.

A video from our colleague Navy Recognition in which one can see the model of the ship around 5:15
shows that above the superstructure now stands an integrated mast [3] housing a 4-faced AESA radar
and some of the ship's sensors, completed by a second right behind it containing various watch & EW
systems. It is the most notable characteristic of this CSSC frigate offer.

The 2 CIWS based on the PJ-12B type gun [4] previously mounted on the aft roof of the hangar have
moved forward a bit but still on top of the hangar. They are reinforced by the new missile based CIWS
FL-3000N [5] with 15* or 24 tubes, the missiles of which have a mixed passive radar and IR seeker head.

From what the model shows, the "Hard Kill" means have been strongly augmented from the older version.

Other images taken from a CCTV report allow us to see that the "new" C28A has kept its 8 anti-ship mis-
-siles om a launching ramp, that could be either C802A or C803 types. A standard decoy launcher resem-
-bling the Type 726-4 is found on each side by the exhaust stack.

Algeria signed its 3 C28A corvettes deal with China in 2012, with an option for 3 more. The first batch was
delivered already by the Hudong shipyard near Shangai and admitted to active service in 2015 and 2016
respectively named and designated 920 Adhafer, 921 El Fatih and 922 Ezzadjer.

With the parallel acquisition of two Meko A-200AN frigates by the Algerian Navy ( QBJ ), which are much
better equipped than the original C28As, it is not impossible that the CSSC is thus now offering an over-
classification, an upgrade with outclassing to attempt the completion of their optional order.

To be followed ...

Henri K.​

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The bracketed numbers refer to an image in the original.

* This seems to me to be a typo : 16 or 24 is more like it.

 

[Penguin]

@Henri & @Tay: je vous merci beaucoup!
(Je manquais l'arrière-plan sur ce modèle)

 

[Arsalan]

So, yeah, C602 would likely not be a problem. Babus is very similar in dimensions, I believe.

The diameter is quite different with Babur being being bulkier ( having larger dia) than the C602!Also it is important to mention that there is at least ONE internet page that mentioned the C602 dia to be same as that of Babur at about 0.53m.

Length is however same at about 7m (including booster)

 

[Penguin]

Singapore Technologies Marine (ST Marine) introduced ST Marine Next Generation Frigate
2x8 cell VLS, 6x4 AShM

See also http://kementah.blogspot.nl/2013/05/republic-of-singapore-navy-formidable_19.html

This caught my eye because of its general similarity to I-class in terms of outfit (with the exception of the AShM count, of course ;-)

Suorce http://www.stengg.com/files/pdf/pre...-engineering-imdex2013-backgrounder-final.pdf (see page 1 of 10)

Related: http://www.stengg.com/products-solutions/products/fearless-variants
FEARLESS Variants comprise the FEARLESS-65 Coastal Patrol, FEARLESS-75 Maritime/Exclusive Economic Zone Patrol and FEARLESS-75 Multi-role Combat. There now is also a 95m variant (see image in earlier post), which appears to be the basis for the light frigate (since the Fearless 75 combattant appears a much smaller vessel).