Pakistan has formally proposed Siachen pullback - India

[Bang Galore]

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan's powerful army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani contended that India had hardened its position on the Siachen issue, especially compared to the situation in 1989, when the two sides were "close to a resolution".

Speaking to the media during a visit to a high-altitude army camp in Siachen sector that was hit by an avalanche on April 7, Kayani indicated that India had toughened its stance on the issue and there had been "some kind of regression".

He reiterated that there should be "a peaceful resolution of the issue".

"We were close to a resolution in 1989 when Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi came to Pakistan. It didn't materialise. I don't want to go into technicalities. There have been several meetings," Kayani said.

"At the last Defence Secretary-level meeting, there was some kind of regression. Because the term used earlier was authentication but in the last meeting, the Indian side said they want demarcation of the LoC ( Line of Control)," he added.

"Having said this, we still have to talk. There is nothing like a peaceful resolution. The best thing is a peaceful resolution but short of that, we will do what we are supposed to do," the army chief said while responding to questions.

"It takes two hands to clap," he added. Asked about the Indian response to his comments last month about the demilitarisation of Siachen, Kayani said his remarks were "received positively except for some ifs and buts, but that is understandable because there have to be CBMs between the two countries and then we have to move forward. Let's hope we can move forward."

In Pakistan, he said, there was support "across the board" for what he had said.


India has hardened its stand on Siachen, says Pak army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani - The Economic Times

http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-47264-India-has-toughened-stance-on-Siachen

 

[Jade]

Isn't it the Indian position always to not cede a inch of our territory?

 

[Rajputana]

ISLAMABAD:

He reiterated that there should be "a peaceful resolution of the issue".

"We were close to a resolution in 1989 when Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi came to Pakistan. It didn't materialise. I don't want to go into technicalities. There have been several meetings," Kayani said.

In Pakistan, he said, there was support "across the board" for what he had said.
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Sure he wouldn't like to go into technicalities.

Earlier Pakistan Army was sure it could win back Siachen, and tried to do it half a dozen times including attacks by SSG.
Rather than win territory they lost even more, most famous being Quaid post later renamed as Bana post.

Now realizing the futility and facing difficulties in maintaining Siachen they want to come down, but want India to come down as well. The only problem is they dont wanna sign a document stating the actual positions.

I am sorry but after Kargil, a Pakistanis word is worthless. They have to sign a document or can vacate Siachen unilaterally.

 

[Hindustani]

Our land, we do whatever we want with it. However I doubt we'll sell it just like pakistan sold the Shaksgam Valley to China

 

[neutral_person]

How about we ask Pakistan to give us some of their land and we will see how generous they are with that. Why should we give our land to Pakistan? Its not hardening our position, its simply protecting our land.

 

[deckingraj]

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan's powerful army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani contended that India had hardened its position on the Siachen issue, especially compared to the situation in 1989, when the two sides were "close to a resolution".

I will not be surprised if we have...In fact i believe it is in Pak's best interest to resolve these issues sooner than later...India's geo-political clout and her economic might is many notches higher than what she had in 1989....I don't think i can say the same about Pakistan....It is quiet logical that India's position will get stronger in the future as well...which may lead to even harder stands....

 

[Bang Galore]

I will not be surprised if we have...In fact i believe it is in Pak's best interest to resolve these issues sooner than later...India's geo-political clout and her economic might is many notches higher than what she had in 1989....I don't think i can say the same about Pakistan....It is quiet logical that India's position will get stronger in the future as well...which may lead to even harder stands....

My thoughts exactly! The longer it takes, the worse off Pakistan will be in terms of the settlement. the Kashmir issue is a prime example. They got offered a lot earlier; in the 60's & even during the Vajpayee era. Now all they are offered are tea & biscuits. Nothing more.

 

[Safriz]

Pakistan Army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani on Thursday contended that India had hardened its position on the Siachen issue as compared to the 1989 stance it had adopted, saying that it takes two hands to clap.

Speaking to the media during a visit to a high-altitude army camp in Siachen sector that was hit by an avalanche on April 7, Kayani said India had "toughened its stance" on the issue.

India had earlier been demanding the approval of the boundary but now it had begun asking for the re-determination of positions, Kayani was quoted as saying by TV news channels.

"It takes two hands to clap," he said.

During an earlier visit to the site of the avalanche at Gyari on April 18, Kayani had called for all issues between India and Pakistan to be resolved to ensure "peaceful co-existence" which would allow the two sides to focus on development and the welfare of the people.

The powerful army chief had also said at the time that Pakistan hoped that the Siachen issue is "resolved so that both the countries don't have to pay the cost."

"There will be a resolution and we want that there should be a resolution (of the Siachen issue). There should be a resolution of Siachen and other issues," he had added.

Pakistani officials have for long contended that the two countries came close to an agreement on Siachen in 1989 during a meeting between then Prime Ministers Rajiv Gandhi and Benazir Bhutto.

In recent days, senior Pakistani officials have called for the implementation of that agreement.

Kayani travelled to the Gyari sector for the third time today to review the search for the 139 people, including 127 soldiers, who were buried under dozens of feet of snow by the avalanche.

Search teams are yet to find any trace of the buried men.

The army chief was briefed about progress in the search operation, including efforts to create a water course to safely drain a lake that was formed after the avalanche blocked Gyari river.

Officials told him that a satellite data link, made operational today, would allow real time video monitoring of the operation from the General Headquarters in Rawalpindi.

Kayani spent time with the troops and lauded their motivation in face of tough conditions and extreme weather, a military statement said.

He appreciated their resolve to uphold the army's tradition of not leaving a man behind, until humanly possible, regardless of the cost.

The avalanche has raised questions in Pakistan over the troop deployment in the hazardous terrain.

Indian and Pakistani troops have been engaged in a standoff on Siachen since 1984.

The guns have largely been silent since late 2003, when the two countries put in place a ceasefire along the frontiers in Jammu and Kashmir, and more troops have died on the glacier due to the adverse weather than combat.

 

[VCheng]

Pakistan Army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani on Thursday contended that India had hardened its position on the Siachen issue as compared to the 1989 stance it had adopted, saying that it takes two hands to clap..............

........but only one to slap.

It may be the India perceives itself as dealing with Pakistan from a position of increasing strength to the point that it does not see the need to compromise.

 

[Safriz]

........but only one to slap.

It may be the India perceives itself as dealing with Pakistan from a position of increasing strength to the point that it does not see the need to compromise.

good one

yes india has never been cooperative with Pakistan on any conflict..
Pakistan surely needs to grow their power both military and economic to be taken seriously..

 

[VCheng]

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Pakistan surely needs to grow their power both military and economic to be taken seriously..

Exactly correct.

What do you think I have been saying all along?!

 

[Safriz]

phuck clapping its time to high five

and the point is?

 

[Jihad]

Disgraceful comments by Kayani, the Indians must be laughing their ***** off.

I will await the day our national pride is restored and our country is run by people whose heart beat Pakistan and only Pakistan.

 

[dott]

Disgraceful comments by Kayani, the Indians must be laughing their ***** off.

I will await the day our national pride is restored and our country is run by people whose heart beat Pakistan and only Pakistan.

65 yeara lol, we r more desperate to see that day now.

 

[Rig Vedic]

The problem is that Pakistan wants to solve the Siachen issue on the premise that North actually means North-East.

When Indians beg to differ, we are accused of "hardening our positions".