Pakistan' Football coach stopped by Israeli authorities from proceeding to Palestine

[al-Hasani]

@WebMaster @Jungibaaz @nuclearpak @Oscar @Aeronaut @jaibi

This thread has no business on the Arab Section since this section is solely for military news and not news like that. I also see the participation of some trolls in this thread.

 

[Pakistanisage]

Although not related to this article...but politics has always been mixed up wit sports.USA boycotted when soviet union held olympics,Soviets boycotted when U.S.A held one....since the history of modern olympics,there has not been a single one which wasn't boycotted by one country or another.

True, but it should not be that way.....

We must strive to take Politics out of Sports...

 

[Dubious]

@Talon: you might want to read "Debunking the Map that Lies".

(Then again, maybe not. I'm told that in Pakistan nobody is publicly pro-Israel because they're afraid they'll get their throat slit twenty minutes later. So if you close your eyes and ears to the truth, you don't have to fight your conscience, right?)

Or maybe we are just against the inhumane treatment you give the Palestinians! How can you people...who have been abused and been shun left and right all over the bible behave in the way your oppressors did? Stockholm syndrome?

I am not sure where you learn your crap from...probably blogs from FOX news like debunking a map the world (The ads, which were purchased by The Committee for Peace in Israel and Palestine) knows and acknowledges

It is rather funny how you are talking about conscience when you are the lot who are known for breaking UN laws!

Yea now even the peace makers are your enemies?

Oh I just had a look at the "blog" a person going I and I without backing it and going as much as saying stuff like this is the truth speaker in todays Israel? No wonder you people dont have a conscience

Here is a small attempt on my side to show a more accurate picture of Israel's giving land it controlled up for peace since 1967:

Seriously? Israel gave up? Ok for the sake of the argument they gave up...Now why are they illegally damaging properties and raiding the very land they gave up?

Make sense @Solomon2 !

 

[Solomon2]

Or maybe we are just against the inhumane treatment you give the Palestinians!

We discussed "truth" last week in the "Members Club" area and the Muslims responded that it was verboten to acknowledge truth written by a Zionist if it clashed with the claims of a Muslim. So you're really in no position to make claims of "inhumane treatment", are you?

- you are the lot who are known for breaking UN laws!

"UN laws" - that's a new phrase. The U.N. doesn't have an exclusive lock on international law.

At the root, there's a fundamental clash about what law is: people from oppressed societies, which function via rule-by-law, see law as the tool of tyranny. People from freer societies, which function via rule-of-law, see law as a tool that chains their leaders.

Informed free peoples know that the "condemn-Israel" stuff flowing out of the U.N. is political and has little legal grounds. For example, as near as I can tell, under the U.N. Charter that the Security Council can't make a legal ruling. It can make rules on international security under Chapter VII and take military action. It can make temporary and provisional legal stances without prejudice conflicting parties. But when the UNSC says, "we when Israel does so-and-so it is illegal" - that's outside of the enforceable bounds of the Security Council's powers. The International Court of Justice can make some legal rulings - but the U.N. doesn't take Israel to trial, since Israel's legal case is pretty strong. (One-sided, prosecutorial-type "advisory opinions" aren't legal rulings of the ICJ.)

But you, coming from a society where laws are passed to oppress, see the U.N. "on top" and naturally see Israel, not the U.N., as the violator. So these Resolutions, while they have little legal impact, do much to mess up peoples' minds - and the tyrants who support such Resolutions know it.

 

[Dubious]

We discussed "truth" last week in the "Members Club" area and the Muslims responded that it was verboten to acknowledge truth written by a Zionist if it clashed with the claims of a Muslim. So you're really in no position to make claims of "inhumane treatment", are you?

Truth by zionists? Really does that ever happen?

"UN laws" - that's a new phrase. The U.N. doesn't have an exclusive lock on international law.

sorry my bad on that one...resolutions...

At the root, there's a fundamental clash about what law is: people from oppressed societies, which function via rule-by-law, see law as the tool of tyranny. People from freer societies, which function via rule-of-law, see law as a tool that chains their leaders.

Thank you for the kind definition...Yes, the free people who kill others (who battle with stones) with sophisticated weapons...

Informed free peoples know that the "condemn-Israel" stuff flowing out of the U.N. is political and has little legal grounds. For example, as near as I can tell, under the U.N. Charter that the Security Council can't make a legal ruling. It can make rules on international security under Chapter VII and take military action. It can make temporary and provisional legal stances without prejudice conflicting parties. But when the UNSC says, "we when Israel does so-and-so it is illegal" - that's outside of the enforceable bounds of the Security Council's powers. The International Court of Justice can make some legal rulings - but the U.N. doesn't take Israel to trial, since Israel's legal case is pretty strong. (One-sided, prosecutorial-type "advisory opinions" aren't legal rulings of the ICJ.)

What case is strong?

But you, coming from a society where laws are passed to oppress, see the U.N. "on top" and naturally see Israel, not the U.N., as the violator. So these Resolutions, while they have little legal impact, do much to mess up peoples' minds - and the tyrants who support such Resolutions know it.

Ok lets get this right...when did the UN violate Israel? And tyrants support such resolutions but Israel the free state goes murdering people and everything is above everything and everyone?

 

[500]

Now Kashmir is a different issue all together if Kashmir had its own country and sports teams then we could have said or compared.

Its disputed territory, part of it controlled by Pakistan. And Pakistan decides who is allowed there and who is not.

But now thanks atleast u have accepted yr controlling palestine. But Palestine has its own embassy here and they have provided visas to our team and its coach. And there is no logical and understandable authority for a third party to intervene and stop someone from entering an area that is not even part of their country.

You can make even 20 Palestinian embassies, but it wont change the fact that it is territory controlled by Israel and we are a sovereign here. This fact is recognized by Palestinian authorities themselves.

Atleast u controlling Palestine is no excuse to randomly stop a man who is just a football coach that too of Bahrain Nationality (not any of yr neighbor) who is there with a team which is not even part of yr region all together.

Bahrain does not recognize Israel, so its citizens cant travel through Israel controlled areas.

 

[Dubious]

UN resolutions against Israel
By Dark Politricks

We often hear from politicians and in the news talk about reasons why we should go to war against Iran and previously Iraq because they have broken a UN resolution or are not complying with the wishes of weapon inspection teams.

Our leaders often like to take the moral high ground when talking about human rights and how the wishes of the international community must be adhered to when the UN makes a decision.

They use the force of the UN and the security council when they require moral legitimacy to go to war yet they are prepared to ignore or circumvent it when votes don’t go their way.

When the west uses the UN to deal with issues surrounding the Middle East they are perfectly prepared to issue resolutions that legitimise the death of millions of children through starvation as they did during the sanctions regime imposed on Iraq.

They are also perfectly willing to use the UN to legitimise pre-emptive wars, and as they are now doing with Iran, impose sanctions for it’s pursuit of nuclear energy because they suspect it “might” be planning a weapons programme despite the say so of nuclear weapons inspectors.

However there is one country in the Middle East that does have nuclear weapons and this same country has been occupying parts of Palestine in breach of UN resolutions for half a century. This country is Israel.

In fact Israel has broken more UN resolutions that any other in UN history
This country also has the benefit that their biggest ally, the USA, will veto any serious resolution against them preventing any action from being carried out.

Does this seem right or fair?

Was the UN designed only to be a tool to be used by the powerful to legitimise it’s actions?

Was it supposed to be purely a talking shop to be ignored at will no matter how deserving a resolution may seem, purely because powerful lobby groups such as AIPAC have control over most of the US congress?

Lets all remember that the beginnings of international law rose from the ashes of the 2nd World War and the Nuremberg trials. Trials in which the persecutors of the Jews were tried and sentenced.

Therefore the first attempts at creating international law were for the benefit of the Jewish people. Laws which should be applied equally to all nations is currently ignored by many.

Israel due to their powerful ally in the security council has escaped judgment more than most and whether you like some of the other despotic nations that fill the world or not it is a plain fact that Israel leads this table of broken UN resolutions.

US Vetoes of Resolutions Against Israel, 1972-2011.

1. “…condemned Israel‘s attack against Southern against southern Lebanon and Syria…”
2. “…affirmed the rights of the Palestinian people to self-determination, statehood and equal protections…”
3. “…condemned Israel‘s air strikes and attacks in southern Lebanon and its murder of innocent civilians…”
4. “…called for self-determination of Palestinian people…”
5. “…deplored Israel‘s altering of the status of Jerusalem, which is recognized as an international city by most world nations and the United Nations…”
6. “…affirmed the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people…”
7. “…endorsed self-determination for the Palestinian people…”
8. “…demanded Israel‘s withdrawal from the Golan Heights…”
9. “…condemned Israel‘s mistreatment of Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip and its refusal to abide by the Geneva convention protocols of civilized nations…”
10. “…condemned an Israeli soldier who shot eleven Moslem worshippers at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount near Al-Aqsa Mosque in the Old City of Jerusalem…”
11. “…urged sanctions against Israel if it did not withdraw from its invasion of Lebanon…”
12. “…urged sanctions against Israel if it did not withdraw from its invasion of Beirut…”
13. “…urged cutoff of economic aid to Israel if it refused to withdraw from its occupation ofLebanon…”
14. “…condemned continued Israeli settlements in occupied territories in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, denouncing them as an obstacle to peace…”
15. “…deplores Israel‘s brutal massacre of Arabs in Lebanon and urges its withdrawal…”
16. “…condemned Israeli brutality in southern Lebanon and denounced the Israeli ‘Iron Fist’ policy of repression…”
17. “…denounced Israel‘s violation of human rights in the occupied territories…”
18. “…deplored Israel‘s violence in southern Lebanon…”
19. “…deplored Israel‘s activities in occupied Arab East Jerusalem that threatened the sanctity of Muslim holy sites…”
20. “…condemned Israel‘s hijacking of a Libyan passenger airplane…”
21. “…deplored Israel‘s attacks against Lebanon and its measures and practices against the civilian population of Lebanon…”
22. “…called on Israel to abandon its policies against the Palestinian intifada that violated the rights of occupied Palestinians, to abide by the Fourth Geneva Conventions, and to formalize a leading role for the United Nations in future peace negotiations…”
23. “…urged Israel to accept back deported Palestinians, condemned Israel‘s shooting of civilians, called on Israel to uphold the Fourth Geneva Convention, and called for a peace settlement under UN auspices…”
24. “…condemned Israel‘s… incursion into Lebanon…”
25. “…deplored Israel‘s… commando raids on Lebanon…”
26. “…deplored Israel‘s repression of the Palestinian intifada and called on Israel to respect the human rights of the Palestinians…”
27. “…deplored Israel‘s violation of the human rights of the Palestinians…”
28. “…demanded that Israel return property confiscated from Palestinians during a tax protest and allow a fact-finding mission to observe Israel‘s crackdown on the Palestinian intifada…”
29. “…called for a fact-finding mission on abuses against Palestinians in Israeli-occupied lands…”
30. “…confirmed that the expropriation of land by Israel, the occupying power, in East Jerusalem was invalid, and called upon the Government of Israel to rescind the expropriation orders and refrain from such action in the future.”
31. “…called on Israel to abide scrupulously by its legal obligations and responsibilities under the 1949 Geneva Convention” and to refrain from it’s policy of settlement expansion which “alter facts on the ground pre-empting final status negotiations, and have negative implications for the Middle East Peace Process;”
32. “…demanded that Israel immediately cease construction of the Jabal Abu Ghneim settlement in East Jerusalem as well as other Israeli settlement activities in the occupied territories.”
33. “… requested an unarmed UN Observer force to be sent to the West Bank to help protect Palestinian civilians.”
34. “…requested the sending of a human rights monitoring force to the Occupied Territories and condemned all acts of terror, extra-judiciary killing, excessive use of force and house demolitions. Also expressed it determination to contribute to ending the violence and to prompting dialogue between Israeli and Palestinian sides.
35. “…condemned the killing by the Israeli occupying forces of
    several UN employees” and demanded that Israel, complied fully with the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War” and “refrained from the excessive and disproportionate use of force in the Occupied Palestinian Territory;”
36. “…demanded that Israel ceased threats to deport or harm Yasser Arafat, the elected President of the Palestinian Authority;”
37. “…decides that the construction by Israel, the occupying Power, of a wall in the Occupied Territories departing from the armistice line of 1949 is illegal under relevant provisions of international law and must be ceased and reversed;”
38. “…condemned Israel for the extra-judicial executions that killed Sheikh Ahmed Yassin along with six other Palestinians outside a mosque in Gaza City and calls for a complete cessation of extra-judicial executions by Israel“
39. “…condemned the military incursion into Gaza and demanded the immediate cessation of all military operations in the area of Northern Gaza and the withdrawal of the Israeli occupying forces from that area;
40. “…condemned all acts of violence, terror and destruction during the Gaza conflict including rocket attacks by Hamas into Israel and the military assault being carried out by Israel.”
41. “…called upon the Palestinian Authority to take immediate and sustained action to bring an end to violence, including the firing of rockets on Israeli territory. Called upon Israelto immediately cease its military operations within Gaza and to immediately withdraw its forces to to positions prior to 28 June 2006, and expressed grave concern about the dire humanitarian situation of the Palestinian people.”
42. declared Israeli settlements in Palestinian territories were illegal and a “major obstacle to the achievement of a just, lasting and comprehensive peace”.

UN Resolutions Against Israel, 1955-2011.

Note that Israel is in VIOLATION of many of these Resolutions.

1. Resolution 106: “…condemns Israel for Gaza raid”
2. Resolution 111: “…condemns Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people”
3. Resolution 127: “…recommends Israel suspend its ‘no-man’s zone’ in Jerusalem”
4. Resolution 162: “…urges Israel to comply with UN decisions”
5. Resolution 171: “…determines flagrant violations by Israel in its attack on Syria”
6. Resolution 228: “…censures Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control”
7. Resolution 237: “…urges Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees”
8. Resolution 248: “…condemns Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan”
9. Resolution 250: “…calls on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem”
10. Resolution 251: “…deeply deplores Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250″
11. Resolution 252: “…declares invalid Israel‘s acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital”
12. Resolution 256: “…condemns Israeli raids on Jordan as flagrant violation”
13. Resolution 259: “…deplores Israel‘s refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation”
14. Resolution 262: “…condemns Israel for attack on Beirut airport”
15. Resolution 265: “…condemns Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan”
16. Resolution 267: “…censures Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem”
17. Resolution 270: “…condemns Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon“
18. Resolution 271: “…condemns Israel‘s failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem”
19. Resolution 279: “…demands withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon“
20. Resolution 280: “…condemns Israeli’s attacks against Lebanon“
21. Resolution 285: “…demands immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon“
22. Resolution 298: “…deplores Israel‘s changing of the status of Jerusalem”
23. Resolution 313: “…demands that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon“
24. Resolution 316: “…condemns Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon“
25. Resolution 317: “…deplores Israel‘s refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon“
26. Resolution 332: “…condemns Israel‘s repeated attacks against Lebanon“
27. Resolution 337: “…condemns Israel for violating Lebanon‘s sovereignty”
28. Resolution 347: “…condemns Israeli attacks on Lebanon“
29. Resolution 425: “…calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon“
30. Resolution 427: “…calls on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon“
31. Resolution 444: “…deplores Israel‘s lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces”
32. Resolution 446: “…determines that Israeli settlements are a serious obstruction to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention”
33. Resolution 450: “…calls on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon“
34. Resolution 452: “…calls on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories”
35. Resolution 465: “…deplores Israel‘s settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel‘s settlements program”
36. Resolution 467: “…strongly deplores Israel‘s military intervention in Lebanon“
37. Resolution 468: “…calls on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return”
38. Resolution 469: “…strongly deplores Israel‘s failure to observe the council’s order not to deport Palestinians”
39. Resolution 471: “…expresses deep concern at Israel‘s failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention”
40. Resolution 476: “…reiterates that Israel‘s claims to Jerusalem are null and void”
41. Resolution 478: “…censures (Israel) in the strongest terms for its claim to Jerusalem in its ‘Basic Law’”
42. Resolution 484: “…declares it imperative that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors”
43. Resolution 487: “…strongly condemns Israel for its attack on Iraq’s nuclear facility”
44. Resolution 497: “…decides that Israel‘s annexation of Syria’s Golan Heights is null and void and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith”
45. Resolution 498: “…calls on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon“
46. Resolution 501: “…calls on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops”
47. Resolution 509: “…demands that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon“
48. Resolution 515: “…demands that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in”
49. Resolution 517: “…censures Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands thatIsrael withdraw its forces from Lebanon“
50. Resolution 518: “…demands that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon“
51. Resolution 520: “…condemns Israel‘s attack into West Beirut”
52. Resolution 573: “…condemns Israel vigorously for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters”
53. Resolution 587: “…takes note of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces fromLebanon and urges all parties to withdraw”
54. Resolution 592: “…strongly deplores the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops”
55. Resolution 605: “…strongly deplores Israel‘s policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians”
56. Resolution 607: “…calls on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention”
57. Resolution 608: “…deeply regrets that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians”
58. Resolution 636: “…deeply regrets Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians”
59. Resolution 641: “…deplores Israel‘s continuing deportation of Palestinians”
60. Resolution 672: “…condemns Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount”
61. Resolution 673: “…deplores Israel‘s refusal to cooperate with the United Nations”
62. Resolution 681: “…deplores Israel‘s resumption of the deportation of Palestinians”
63. Resolution 694: “…deplores Israel‘s deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return”
64. Resolution 726: “…strongly condemns Israel‘s deportation of Palestinians”
65. Resolution 799: “…strongly condemns Israel‘s deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.”
66. Resolution 803:
67. Resolution 830:
68. Resolution 852:
69. Resolution 887:
70. Resolution 895:
71. Resolution 904:
72. Resolution 1039:
73. Resolution 1052:
74. Resolution 1057 :
75. Resolution 1068:
76. Resolution 1073:
77. Resolution 1081:
78. Resolution 1095:
79. Resolution 1109:
80. Resolution 1122:
81. Resolution 1139:
82. Resolution 1151:
83. Resolution 1169:
84. Resolution 1188:
85. Resolution 1211:
86. Resolution 1223:
87. Resolution 1243:
88. Resolution 1254:
89. Resolution 1276:
90. Resolution 1288:
91. Resolution 1300:
92. Resolution 1310:
93. Resolution 1322: “..Condemned acts of violence especially the excessive use of force against Palestinians”, called on the occupying Power Israel, to abide by its legal obligations and stressed the importance of “establishing a mechanism for a speedy and objective inquiry into the provocation carried out at out at Al-Haram Al-Sharif” when Arial Sharon visited the Temple Mount and to the subsequent violence “resulting in over 80 Palestinian deaths and many other casualties”. The US threatened to veto the original version of this resolution and managed to get all mention of Israel removed from the final version.
94. Resolution 1328:
95. Resolution 1337:
96. Resolution 1351:
97. Resolution 1559: “…called upon Lebanon to establish its sovereignty over all of its land and called upon Syria to end their military presence in Lebanon by withdrawing its forces and to cease intervening in internal Lebanese politics. The resolution also called on all Lebanese militias to disband.”
98. Resolution 1583: “…calls on Lebanon to assert full control over its border with Israel. It also states that the Council has recognized the Blue Line as valid for the purpose of confirming Israel’s withdrawal pursuant to resolution 425.“
99. Resolution 1648: “…renewed the mandate of United Nations Disengagement Observer Force until 30 June 2006.”
100. Resolution 1701: “…called for the full cessation of hostilities between Israel and Hezbollah.”
101. Resolution 1860: “…called for the full cessation of war between Israel and Hamas.”
102. Resolution 1884: “…expressed deep concern over violations of resolution 1701 and called on all parties to maintain the de-militarized zone between between the Blue Lineand the Litani River

References:

Sources:

Findley’s Deliberate Deceptions, pages 188 – 192

UN Resolutions – http://www.UN.org/documents/scres.htm

Jewish Virtual Library

www.UN.org

unispal.UN.org

UN Resolutions Targeting Israel and Palestinians
UN resolutions against Israel - Dark Politicks Dark Politricks

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[Umair Nawaz]

Bahrain does not recognize Israel, so its citizens cant travel through Israel controlled areas.

so how did 23 member pakistan under 23 football team traveled through there? u yrself showed our passport and it clearly said same. BTW we r participating in this tournament since many years now and always travel through israeli controlled areas.

 

[Solomon2]

It seems the only purpose this thread continues - and likely the only reason it was posted - is to bash Israel. Well, it's utility is pretty limited that way, isn't it?

@Talon, one has to take the time to look at these decades of Resolutions carefully to sort out which have legal merit and which do not. The Israel-bashing ones are a kind of cheat - especially for people like you. They invert reality. That is their purpose.

Did you ever wonder why most of the West doesn't care - and even promotes - Israel-bashing? It's because for a millennium the Muslim-Christian clash was a barrier to trade and political relations between the West and Islam. Starting around 1850 or so, European diplomats got the idea that the onus could be shifted to the Jews instead. And once Israel was established and secure, it could be abused by all at will, for as long as it continues to stand like a rock the Europeans think they'll be able to cut their cake and eat it, too. (Regretfully, the Obama Administration thinks the same way.)

So you're going to have to work to find your own way out of the filthy stew Muslim tyrants and cynical Western leaders have created for you. And it's not going to happen if by bashing Israel, is it?

 

[MOHSENAM]

Everyone see this thread.


https://defence.pk/threads/zionist-footsteps-on-9-11.313607/#post-5648999

Sports Reporter – DAWN

KARACHI: Pakistan football team’s head coach Mohammed Al Shamlan was barred on Friday from travelling with the team through Israel to Palestine for the Al-Nakba International tournament.


The Bahraini national was unable to get permission from Israeli authorities and was stopped at the Amman airport while the team left for Palestine via road through Israel after landing in the Jordanian capital.

“Shamlan is stuck in Jordan and is yet to receive permission to travel through Israel,” Pakistan Football Federation secretary Col Ahmed Yar Khan Lodhi told Dawn on Friday.

“The team received the visas and have proceeded to Palestine. We’re in talks with officials of the Israel Football Association (IFA) and they have assured us that the matter will be resolved by Sunday.”

That would mean Shamlan will not be on the touch-line for Pakistan’s opening match against Jordan which will be held on Sunday.

Pakistan face hosts Palestine on Tuesday before a game against Sri Lanka two days later and round off their campaign against former Asian champions Iraq on May 17.
Shamlan stopped by Israeli authorities from proceeding to Palestine [DAWN] | FootballPakistan.com (FPDC)

Now because of them Pakistan will be without a coach in the opening game against Jordan today!

Thanks.

 

[500]

@Talon The only demand there is withdrawal from Lebanon which Israel already complied. On the other hand UN resolutions demand from Lebanon disarming militias its militias, but Lebanon refuses to comply.

so how did 23 member pakistan under 23 football team traveled through there? u yrself showed our passport and it clearly said same. BTW we r participating in this tournament since many years now and always travel through israeli controlled areas.

We made exception for them.

 

[Dubious]

It seems the only purpose this thread continues - and likely the only reason it was posted - is to bash Israel. Well, it's utility is pretty limited that way, isn't it?

@Talon, one has to take the time to look at these decades of Resolutions carefully to sort out which have legal merit and which do not. The Israel-bashing ones are a kind of cheat - especially for people like you. They invert reality. That is their purpose.

Fair enough...All I can do is read and watch people being oppressed in a state claiming to be free

Did you ever wonder why most of the West doesn't care - and even promotes - Israel-bashing? It's because for a millennium the Muslim-Christian clash was a barrier to trade and political relations between the West and Islam. Starting around 1850 or so, European diplomats got the idea that the onus could be shifted to the Jews instead. And once Israel was established and secure, it could be abused by all at will, for as long as it continues to stand like a rock the Europeans think they'll be able to cut their cake and eat it, too. (Regretfully, the Obama Administration thinks the same way.)

So you're going to have to work to find your own way out of the filthy stew Muslim tyrants and cynical Western leaders have created for you. And it's not going to happen if by bashing Israel, is it?

Well, I personally have nothing against Israel if they stop oppressing and in the same breathe declaring themselves free and others tyrant and bashing them...

Secondly, I am not sure who your history teacher was...but mind you only 2 crusades caused tensions between Christians and Muslims but the West has already declared atheist so that shouldnt bug them too much...

As for shifting to Jews and giving them the freedom to abuse is really against the very human rights preached to Muslim countries!

As for Israel as a state no one has a problem with it as long as it stops trying to take over its neighbour ...for a Pakistani the Kashmir scenario seeps in mind...

@Talon The only demand there is withdrawal from Lebanon which Israel already complied. On the other hand UN resolutions demand from Lebanon disarming militias its militias, but Lebanon refuses to comply.

Please read again that is not the "only demand"

 

[Solomon2]

Fair enough...All I can do is read and watch people being oppressed in a state claiming to be free
Well, I personally have nothing against Israel if they stop oppressing...As for shifting to Jews and giving them the freedom to abuse is really against the very human rights...As for Israel as a state no one has a problem with it as long as it stops trying to take over its neighbour -

Talon, I don't hold you to blame for what you had to learn in school. But when presented with the opportunity to learn better, and after investigating you decide to your satisfaction that the world as you learned it was upside-down, at the very least you don't have to continue to promote the warped version, do you?

 

[Dubious]

Talon, I don't hold you to blame for what you had to learn in school. But when presented with the opportunity to learn better, and after investigating you decide to your satisfaction that the world as you learned it was upside-down, at the very least you don't have to continue to promote the warped version, do you?

May I advice you the same Esp since it is only you guys who seem to have learnt a totally different geography and history followed by human rights definition

Oh and not to forgot to mention a different definition for freedom where you claim to be a free state and call other oppressed under tyrants...while you do the tyrant oppression yourself and limit others' freedom!

 

[Umair Nawaz]

We made exception for them.

then why was an individual who was with them and part of the visiting team was barred?