Pakistan finally becoming a nation state?

[Metanoia]

Could you elaborate?
I've seen great admiration in my fellow Pakistanis for life in the West, too. Many speak of plans to study/ find employment there.

Why not...you spend enough time being productive they give you citizenship...benefits...and if you have your wits about you can even take part in their political system.

Same thing can't be said about your brothers though.

 

[Hiptullha]

Same thing can't be said about your brothers though.

Isn't it the same for other nationalities there too?

 

[Metanoia]

Isn't it the same for other nationalities there too?

I don't know if you have lived here....but any South Asian will clearly tell you the well define social hierarchical structure which exists here....and frankly I am no mood at this moment as it will completely go off topic.

 

[Zarvan]

Religion is but a fleeting vantage point of our purpose on this planet. A tradition of folklore and historical events which we convey to our children to help them understand why they are born. Literature which we perpetuate for lack of a better understanding of the mysteries of this universe and out of fear of retribution and a prophesied Hellfire for failing to have done so.

No one person can prove their religion as no other person can disprove his. Let me help you remember that before we were Muslims, we were Hindu and my Islamic faith teaches me that only Allah knows what will happen to our generations tomorrow. Neither you nor I can say with conviction that the progeny which we leave behind, under the green flag, will be Muslims. We simply don't know. Also to exactly which version of Islam are you alluding to? We are multiple sects today and the way things are going we will be many more tomorrow, with each sect swearing by the Book that they are the right ones and that the other's are wrong. Our takfiri ways will be our downfall.

The best course of action to adopt in the present circumstances is to hold fast to your faith and to allow others the enjoyment of their's. This nation's survival is not contingent or pivotal upon Islam. Although our birth was part and parcel of the unity which Islam gave us, today Islam stands to divide us more than ever. If we are to make our place among the comity of nations and define our future as a working and progressive state we must learn to function for the Pakistani people, independent of the religion of Islam. Our policies must be geared towards the betterment of the people while at the same time be shaded with the morals and values which Islam inculcated us with, not the other way around.

Take it from Turkey. Do we think we're any more Muslim than them? Heck they even had a caliphate! Today Turkey, albeit being a secular country, is an Islamic model for progress. It is the only Muslim country as a matter of fact that looks well on its way to crystallizing its position as a hub of power for the Muslim world.

I pray that you shed your myopic view of this diverse planet which we live on and learn to embrace other faiths and traditions with tolerance and appreciation. It is a colourful world and that is exactly wherein its beauty lies.

Sorry we don't take it from Turkey we take it from ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW and they have decided the matter long ago Sir and if goverments will not work to implement it than they would keep facing resistance

 

[Metanoia]

Anyways...here is what Pakistan can do to help the Palestinians.

1) Diplomatic support(although Pakistan doesn't even recognize Israel....you can't fight something which you believe doesn't even exist)

2) Construction projects

3) Education programmes

4) Healthcare

 

[Hiptullha]

I don't know if you have lived here....but any South Asian will clearly tell you the well define social hierarchical structure which exists here....and frankly I am no mood at this moment as it will completely go off topic.

Yeah, I've lived in Qatar. My dad was an engineer, so it wasn't that bad for me. But I've seen the plight of workers from the subcontinent.
Anyways, if there is any admiration for the Gulf States, it's because of the tales of wealth migrants have brought back.

 

[Multani]

For you. For me, Lahore, Multan, Islamabad, Karachi and all of those pinds are no less 'holy' where my people are starving and breathing under an uncertain future. Haram will be protected with or without us, but our own people can't. Our efforts for the next 30 years should be to rebuild Pakistan into an economic, social and military power. Only than maybe we can afford to take our share of Islamic thekedari.

yes brother i agree with you. It is priority that Pakistan first consolidates itself as its people see fit, and then they can verge ahead to whatever they wish internationally as a nation state. Your sentiments are correct. We must prepare ourselves first. The Haram Sharif is in Allah's protection at the moment.

Islamic thekedari actually means one has to start with his/her own house first.

 

[Metanoia]

Yeah, I've lived in Qatar. My dad was an engineer, so it wasn't that bad for me. But I've seen the plight of workers from the subcontinent.
Anyways, if there is any admiration for the Gulf States, it's because of the tales of wealth migrants have brought back.

Excellent...forget about the Gulf arabs as they generally do respect certain professions....however ask your dad how was his experience with the Palestinian or Egyptian colleagues

 

[Multani]

Anyways...here is what Pakistan can do to help the Palestinians.

1) Diplomatic support(although Pakistan doesn't even recognize Israel....you can't fight something which you believe doesn't even exist)

2) Construction projects

3) Education programmes

4) Healthcare

The way Turkey performs by investing in projects in other countries. Pakistan should also do the same, not just in Palestine.

Pakistan can learn immensely. How come india invests in Afghanistan but Pakistan does not? Perhaps we should try to improve relations with Afghanistan.

 

[Hiptullha]

Excellent...forget about the Gulf arabs as they generally do respect certain professions....however ask your dad how was his experience with the Palestinian or Egyptian colleagues

I will.
I do remember a story about this Egyptian colleague he had, who had a divorce, and one day asked my dad if he wanted a TV since he was getting rid of stuff.
My dad jokingly said yes, and the next day, he gets it from him.
Sometime later the colleague said he needed a new TV.

 

[Metanoia]

The way Turkey performs by investing in projects in other countries. Pakistan should also do the same, not just in Palestine.

Pakistan can learn immensely. How come india invests in Afghanistan, but Pakistan does not? Perhaps we should try to improve relations with Afghanistan.

Because Pakistan has turned into a dumb country of the world....the idea of foreign policy in Pakistan is sending, funding and breeding dumb-witted pre-civilization militants.

A person of humble origin and severly limited knowledge like me knows and understands such a fundamentally easy notion....so you can imagine where does the rest of the nation and its leaders stand.

Pakistan can easily execute projects like India does(of course starting internally first).......but yeah.....idiots. Don't know how to project power the proper way.

 

[Multani]

Because Pakistan has turned into a dumb country of the world....the idea of foreign policy in Pakistan is sending, funding and breeding dumb-witted pre-civilization militants.

A person of humble origin and severly limited knowledge like me knows and understands such a fundamentally easy notion....so you can imagine where does the rest of the nation and its leaders stand.

Very sad for our country. A respected member @Syed.Ali.Haider has clarified this notion exhaustively on PDF.

 

[F.O.X]

No one is asking Pakistan to attack the zionist state. If one is a Muslim, then one understands that there are 3 Haram Sharifs for the Muslims.

Our Third Haram Sharif is Bait al Madqis. Where is that? Oh yeh, it is in Palestine! Now, one should understand the obsession of Muslims for Palestine.

If one loves Makkah Mukarramah, and Madina Munawwarah, then one loves Bait al Maqdis, the third Haram Sharif of ALL Muslims on earth. Palestine is also the resting place of Hadhrat Ibraheem alaihisalam and Hadhrat Yaqoub alaihis salam

So Shouting Anti Isreal Slogans , Striking , & Closing Business Districts will Help Liberate Baitul Muqaddas ?

 

[Keith420]

For you. For me, Lahore, Multan, Islamabad, Karachi and all of those pinds are no less 'holy' where my people are starving and breathing under an uncertain future. Haram will be protected with or without us, but our own people can't. Our efforts for the next 30 years should be to rebuild Pakistan into an economic, social and military power. Only than maybe we can afford to take our share of Islamic thekedari.

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spot on bro!!!!!!!!!!
we want people like u even in India.

 

[Multani]

So Shouting Anti Isreal Slogans , Striking , & Closing Business Districts will Help Liberate Baitul Muqaddas ?

No, but preparing Pakistan into a strong country as explained by @Aeronaut will.


If closing down business districts harms the economy and striking hurts the income of the awaam, Muslim or non-Muslim, then it is illegal [ Haraam [ as far as I know. It is hurting Pakistan itself, which is lunacy.

If shouting anti Israeli slogans spreads noise pollution, disturbs living spaces, wastes time, and keeps Pakistani away from more pressing issues at hand [ like supporting operation Darb e 'Adhb ] then it is illegal [ Haraam ] too

So Shouting Anti Isreal Slogans , Striking , & Closing Business Districts will Help Liberate Baitul Muqaddas ?

Also, the question is not about liberating Baitul Muqaddas, because it is already under Muslim hands. The Haram Sharif is under Muslim Awqaaf in Jerusalem. They control the temple mount.