Pakistan finalized Z-10ME Helicopters deal with China : Journalist Sumaira Khan

[Shah_Deu]

Oh no
We need this decade peaceful for some actual economic development. War will deteriorate everything economical

A war would not only damage us economically. India has much more to lose. The times of huge conventional parity between us and them have gone. Conventionally, we are either at almost parity with them now or are capable to hold on our own. And they know this. India wouldn't attack until and unless it deems its numerical superiority multiple time ours. We, on the Contrary, have been closing the gap with them.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

J 10 rumors also started same way. Everyone made fun of those who claimed it and now that is happening. Also now F 16 rumors are also doing rounds. Same was the case with HQ 9 and VT 4.

OK lets bisect this so called rumor once for all. J10s has been the talk of the town since Musharaf days and after F16, it was always been the most likely foreign fighter plane which PAF may induct unlike your Su35s etc. So PAF finally acquiring J10 is NOT a surprise anymore and after Indian Rafale acquisition, it was just the matter of time especially when we ain't getting anymore advance F16. Even some Chinese informed members here hinted about a possible sale to Pakistan so it short, it was never a rumor.

Regarding HQ9 again, its not a surprise buy infact most logical step after acquiring HQ16 so as VT4. Our any buy from China shouldn't be a surprise since Pakistani and China deals are at Govt level with no public tenders and private involvement so oftern they are announced when the stuff is already in Pakistan.

Regarding the fun part, fun was never been made of the claims regarding J10s even Z10s as they were already here in the past for testing. Fun has always been made when somebody start claiming about J15s,Su35 etc etc.

 

[SD 10]

Is there any programme in China regarding heavy attack helicopter?

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

There is a sense of urgency in Pakistan’s acquisitions. Not all is well on the Eastern front. There is an expectation BJP will resort to some misadventure. It is only a matter of time.

Not really. We are already behind the planned scheduled after getting denied for Zulus and T129 (engine). Acquiring attack helicopters have always been on our agenda since 2015.

 

[Syed_Adeel]

She reported the J10 news as well a few months ago, thats turning out to be true.
She also have hinted/declared the HQ9 induction as well a few months back.
She probably has some links who are giving out such info to her.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Twitter sources should not be the main source
User credible sources

 

[IblinI]

Is there any programme in China regarding heavy attack helicopter?

Yes.

 

[JawadKKhan]

She reported the J10 news as well a few months ago, thats turning out to be true.
She also have hinted/declared the HQ9 induction as well a few months back.
She probably has some links who are giving out such info to her.

Many people were discussing these acquisitions including J-10, H-Q9 & Z-10 for a long time. We all know, PA evaluated earlier models of chinese helis but these ones are upgraded. Since Turkey still have to sort out engine issue so more chances of chinese helis.

On the other note, the VT-4 came as a total surprise atleast to me. I would have expected off the shelf Tanks if there's a lot of surplus money. As age of tanks is coming to its end. Tank battles are getting obsolete in the face of anti-tank smart munitions, drones, gunship choppers and airforce. Most of the funding should go towards drones & air-defense units for army. For armored requirements it must fullfill it with local industry and save FX for critical acquisitions which are not possible locally.

 

[SD 10]

Yes.

any info regarding that? when will it be ready?

 

[ARMalik]

There is a sense of urgency in Pakistan’s acquisitions. Not all is well on the Eastern front. There is an expectation BJP will resort to some misadventure. It is only a matter of time.

PAA is challenged keeping its Cobras going at an operational level required for our strike Corps. Some of it might be balanced by drones, but that is not a substitute for a Med/Hev attack heli. PAA will keep its options open for the two Turk platforms but the situation with our Cobras is not good. US is creating a lot of grief on many levels with all of its gear. They are not saying no, but are slowing things to a grinding halt.

The game is not india specific - the connection lies else where.

 

[luciferdd]

any info regarding that? when will it be ready?

Probablely a project base on the Z-20(1600KW WZ-10 engine),just like the us R&D AH-64 base on UH-60(1250KW T700serise engine)=>It's the best way to R&D a heavy attack helicopter(no risk,less cost,fast)

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

She reported the J10 news as well a few months ago, thats turning out to be true.

Ohh bhai before her, many well informed members here on PDF hinted about J10 acquisition for the last 1 year or so.

 

[TigerOfMysore]

The game is not india specific - the connection lies else where.

A large portion is still tied to India. We have to get our economy in order. Foreign powers are going to use their pawns in PDM and PPP, in order to keep gov on back foot, so it becomes lame duck. Watch Afghanistan again start to unravel and TTP and BLA become ascendant in the coming months.

 

[Vapnope]

There is a sense of urgency in Pakistan’s acquisitions. Not all is well on the Eastern front. There is an expectation BJP will resort to some misadventure. It is only a matter of time.

PAA is challenged keeping its Cobras going at an operational level required for our strike Corps. Some of it might be balanced by drones, but that is not a substitute for a Med/Hev attack heli. PAA will keep its options open for the two Turk platforms but the situation with our Cobras is not good. US is creating a lot of grief on many levels with all of its gear. They are not saying no, but are slowing things to a grinding halt.

Elections in Punjab in Feb/March where position of BJP is very bad. I believe that lynching incident at Amritsar was a ploy to and you might see other such incident where people will be wooed to vote for BJP.

 

[TigerOfMysore]

Not really. We are already behind the planned scheduled after getting denied for Zulus and T129 (engine). Acquiring attack helicopters have always been on our agenda since 2015.

Yes but never at the expense of developing a rainbow coalition of Helis. PK is all over the map in terms of attack, lift, ASw, SpecOps across the services. The fact that we plan on injecting another platform in our attack helo strategy speaks to a high level of urgency ( esp since Ataks are still on card). This will make it a potential third or fourth type. That speaks to the structural weakness in our Cobra fleet which was heavily worn out during Fata ops.