The Kashmiri in me believes that Indians are not serious at all about Kashmiris desire for freedom. I have had no trouble convincing Pakistanis that if Kashmiris want independence from Pakistan they would be in their right, but say that to an Indian, he immediately becomes someone who jumps in joy when stone throwing protesters are killed.
No, we are not. And have you not my explanation why? There are many people, with many explanations, but everyone has an asshole, and an explanation of why we should be in Kashmir. So I too have a serious explanation of this.
I know exactly how they feel, I said quite a long time ago on this forum that Pakistan lost the goodwill of many Kashmiris when they marginalised Kashmiri centrist figures and replaced them with their friendly religious crazies. The freedom struggle died down because Kashmiris on Indian side of the border realised they were being flooded by right wing religious crazies who were targeting not just Pandits but also Shias and turning a national freedom struggle in to a holy war of one sect.
A wrong from the Pakistani side however does not negate the freedom struggles of Kashmiris.
The only place in India which at the moment stops Ahmedis cold in their tracks is guess where? Where was a conference of the group banned by the Grand Mufti? This phenomenon forms part of my explanation which is like a you-know-what.
I would acknowledge freedom struggle in AJK if I believed it. I know more Azad Kashmiris than any Indian here, I have yet to find a single one who is anti Pakistani, even if they are for independence of a United Kashmir. How many Azad Kashmiris did you meet to acknowledge the freedom struggle brewing in AJK?
Not sure whom this is addressed to.
And which Indian are you, Sir?
The one that until recently felt an obligation to exhibit the facts to the ignorant, among Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and the Chinese.
The one that has discovered over the last few days that there is a member of the forum who is better than he is, because that other member not only has the facts, but also the calm and cool temperament to deal with idiots without losing his temper.
The one that now feels liberated and able to look around and view posts of all with a smile of indulgence, and with no terrible compulsion to launch into a dreary narration of the same facts for the 200th time.
Hahahah.
Kids like you are still living in 71 era and comparing Kashmir with Bangladesh.
We very well know how much Burhan Want and Kashmir freedom struggle is causing frustration on indian side.
The 600 hundred thousand Indian army is stuck there for the last 3 decades.
@hellfire
Just for a laugh. Here's another Master of the Universe demonstrating his grip over military matters.
I kind of agree with you, but the establishment figures in Pakistan have fragile egos, supporting religious crazies in Kashmir was just one of their inglorious list of achievements. But one can hope, there are still enough Kashmiris to see that even if Pakistan has transformed the nature of the conflict, it does not mean we have to accept Indian rule, not in its current state at least.
You have put your finger on precisely the reason why the Sunni fanatic movement in Kashmir is one that is totally unacceptable to the thinking part of India. And why all sections of responsible Indian opinion are therefore united on the issue of Kashmir.
Before 1989 IOK was peaceful too. it was the injection of Islamic movement which brought about insurgency and freedom struggle in our part. Let me tell you one thing, the anger you see in average Indian poster about Kashmir is due to how Pandits were treated in the valley. Had they been part of the freedom struggle things would have been a lot different.
Hugely different.
That is the difference between a theocratic Islamist movement, complete with a women's wing enforcing compliance with acid attacks, and a genuine independence movement.
But the fact there is a large number of Kashmiri voices are who want to welcome the Pandits back in to the Valley shows that contrary to what the perception is, the Vast majority of Kashmiris are not religious bigots and the struggle for independence is that of national liberation, not a religious war between Hindus and Muslims (Which is something, both India and Pakistan want to portray and thus discredit the liberation movement.)
Yes, but the narrative has been taken over by the most violent and most intransigent faction. Even now, I have no difficulty in wandering around outside Srinagar, or even most parts of Srinagar. It is the Tehreek and its extreme faction that has the voice, for the moment.
To be honest I do believe that Pakistan is trying to break away from the religious/sectarian past. One of the best moment in the recent history that I still remember and appreciate is the way how leader of LeJ chief was disposed off. That moment really made me think that things are about to change in future. But as the doubting Indian I still think there are some elements in the establishment that don't want to go the whole mile.
Pakistan wants Kashmir and they have the right to adopt any strategy they prefer and we have every right to stop that from happening.
You are outdoing yourself. A second decent post this night!
Well said! For many indians, the conflict begins in 1989, for the Kashmiris it has been going on for well over a century. What makes them think we will give up now?
I have dealt with this aspect in close detail in several posts. Now, as I mentioned earlier, I don't feel compelled to do that; there are better people than I was, or am.
