Pakistan failed Kashmir in AJK

[OrionHunter]

Yes 40+ are killed in AJK. And there is 15th day of curfew and internet shutdown in AJK,. We definitely failed Kashmiris in AJK.

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2016/country-chapters/pakistan

 

[I S I]

Oh lady, don't cry..

Great comeback. I'll give your comment 26 out of 11.

 

[Hellfire]

Pakistan hand over that part only for administration purpose, Its only reachable through China.

Tell it to your dear fellow posters. Have tried to tell them it was ceded. They not only deny .. they downright claim something that even the erstwhile Nawab of Hunza will have trouble digesting and processing with the worlds supply of lactulose!!!

 

[illusion8]

Hahahah.
Kids like you are still living in 71 era and comparing Kashmir with Bangladesh.

We very well know how much Burhan Want and Kashmir freedom struggle is causing frustration on indian side.

The 600 hundred thousand Indian army is stuck there for the last 3 decades.

Not that BS again..

Counter question:- Anyway, where do you think your entire army and your entire paramilitary is engaged in from the last few decades? FATA, Baluchistan, Sindh, PAK? Almost the entire of Pakistan? How long do you think it takes for a pakistani province to go to the brink? My guess is less than a year.

Don't tell me that situation is improving, Pakistan enjoyed a couple of decades of peace and growth in the 50's, 60's and 70's, 80's when the next turmoil hit it and you lost tens of thousands. Pakistan is a fragile state always on the brink of the next turmoil and it takes just a year or so for it to return to one.

 

[waz]

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They think we are Punjabis

Yes, it's a Punjabi conspiracy according to many Indian sources.

 

[Hellfire]

Proof?
Anyways its 4 years since 2012. Still Chinese didn't complete their occupation? They did so in a few days in war with India.

I missed this point.

You can ask your Taobat Brigade what they are doing there .... and what were they doing on Durmat Ridge on your posts in

For your reference

https://defence.pk/threads/chinese-...istan-security-agencies-to-government.425536/

https://defence.pk/threads/heavy-presence-of-chinese-troops-in-pak.229921/

https://defence.pk/threads/general-alert-chinese-troops-on-indo-pak-loc.102108/

https://defence.pk/threads/pla-presence-in-northern-areas.70708/

Discussed then.

and now the joint maneuvers. We had predicted an establishment of military buffer zone under garb of 'protection of CPEC' project then itself.

Just FYI. No other intent.

Thanks

 

[Pakistani E]

I hate the fuking jklf dungholes they are annoying


They think we are Punjabis

Why?

 

[Zibago]

Why?

I will tell you the real reason some other time but they tend to hijack every protest that happens in AJK and portray themselves as representatives of AJK people while they are nothing but oppurtunist shit heads

 

[Areesh]

Read the Indian Independence Act of 1947 which gives you, as a nation, legitimacy.

Tell me more about it.

Since you have been kind enough to read through, also read up about McCartney-Macdonald Line and Johnson Line (which the Maharaja used as his claim line & which India uses which has no historical logic nor value and is the reason for the unsettled boundary dispute with China).

Yup read about them. Not Pakistan's mistake if you failed to settle your border dispute with China peacefully and it was a humiliating defeat in a war which resulted in the state quo that exists between India and China. Pakistan did something that legally and historically was not wrong thing to do. It accepted Chinese claim on a territory on which British India ceased its claims.

Also read about the historical occupancy of the Trans-Karakoram Tract or the Shaksgam valley by the Rulers of Hunza,

Already talked about it in previous post. The fact is due to not proper demarcation of border Rulers and Rajas used to claim land as much as they wanted to. Doesn't matter if their claims were accepted and rectified on some piece of paper or not. It was the British India who unilaterally accepted and revised the Mc Donald Line and hence gave up all the claims on this piece of land.

It has been suitably discussed on this very forum and is tiresome to delve into everytime.

Tiresome or not. The fact is shaksgam valley is not a humanitarian crisis. It is Indian occupied Kashmir. You can't use a barren uninhabited piece of land to defend your occupation and oppression of humans in the valley.

1. Pakistan was keen on a boundary settlement with China. It was Pakistan which initiated the boundary settlement with China and dispatched the Gilgit Scouts to militarily beef up the situation in the area as regular Chinese incursions were taking place. Pakistan was keen to settle a boundary with China as it achieved two aims:

You can do all the guess work for our "aims". The thing is we wanted resolve the border issues with China peacefully. Something you failed to do.

Also it is pertinent to note here that this agreement is a transient agreement and not a permanent agreement as a clause to re-adrress the issue is incorporated upon final settlement of Kashmir question. In short, when China has seemingly given ground to you (as per your politicians who lie to themselves and all they can lie to) this leaves open a way for a future claims.

That shows Pakistan pulled out an excellent deal. Permanent or not. Pakistan did got land from China. The door for open for future claims can apply to Shaksgam valley too. In any case it all depends on final settlement of Kashmir. Something where India is the biggest hurdle.

That the Chinese were called upon at all instances of sino-indian boundary demarcation by the British is a historical fact. Be it the Macartney-Macdonald Line or the McMahon line, they deftly portrayed an impression of assent and then when the situation was in their favour, simply retracted from their position. It is a historical fact of the Chinese negotiation method and also that the Chinese have claimed all territories held by them howsoever briefly or by Tibet.

Might have happened in your case. In our case I believe we got a pretty good deal. What happens in future is something none of us know. So lets not speculate about that.

On a side note, yes, settling your boundary was a sensible move. But not settling it permanently is a strategic mistake. You just read the Indian stupidities with respect to China and you will realise.

We will see about that. For now. It is India vs China and not Pakistan vs China. As of today our agreement with China seems to be a good move.

I missed this point.

You can ask your Taobat Brigade what they are doing there .... and what were they doing on Durmat Ridge on your posts in

For your reference

https://defence.pk/threads/chinese-...istan-security-agencies-to-government.425536/

https://defence.pk/threads/heavy-presence-of-chinese-troops-in-pak.229921/

https://defence.pk/threads/general-alert-chinese-troops-on-indo-pak-loc.102108/

https://defence.pk/threads/pla-presence-in-northern-areas.70708/

Discussed then.

and now the joint maneuvers. We had predicted an establishment of military buffer zone under garb of 'protection of CPEC' project then itself.

Just FYI. No other intent.

Thanks

Most of the reports are from Indian media or indian military or that stupid Selig Harrison report. 4-5 years till today. Nothing happened. Don't see any combat troops of PLA in GB or AJK. Yeah some from engineering corps might be there. But then they are there since decades when we started building KKH.

Thanks for your predictions. But I or any other Pakistan who knows about that area finds any PLA occupation or "military buffer zone" at least of today. You can predict about future. We all can.

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2016/country-chapters/pakistan

Thanks for Human Rights watch link dear. I can share the same for India too. So just leave it and discuss on the thread topic.